Which would you rather have?

[Yuma]

I have seen two HIGHLY paid free agents associated with us. Conley and Love. Assuming we get Zion, and have to trade for Conley as our PG, OR we get Ja and trade for Love. Which pair would you want? I still want Zion, even if we have to take on huge money in Conley.

 

[1Sun]

I have seen two HIGHLY paid free agents associated with us. Conley and Love. Assuming we get Zion, and have to trade for Conley as our PG, OR we get Ja and trade for Love. Which pair would you want? I still want Zion, even if we have to take on huge money in Conley.

Conley and Zion, and it isn't even close.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I have seen two HIGHLY paid free agents associated with us. Conley and Love. Assuming we get Zion, and have to trade for Conley as our PG, OR we get Ja and trade for Love. Which pair would you want? I still want Zion, even if we have to take on huge money in Conley.

If it came to it I'd take Zion and Wall over Ja and Love and if it's been overlooked, I have been the number one Wall critic here even before his last injury. I'd think long and hard about taking Trae Young and John Collins over Zion but no other long shot pairing comes to mind that I'd give much consideration to.

 

[Yuma]

If it came to it I'd take Zion and Wall over Ja and Love and if it's been overlooked, I have been the number one Wall critic here even before his last injury. I'd think long and hard about taking Trae Young and John Collins over Zion but no other long shot pairing comes to mind that I'd give much consideration to.

I love Collins. Hard to beat a power forward that can put up 35 points or 25 rebounds in a game! I don't like Trae Young, but I would take him just to get Collins.

 

[BC867]

Conley and Zion, and it isn't even close.

Yes, plus it fits the narrative we prefer. The amazing rookie at PF and an experienced and
effective NBA Point Guard to run the offense (especially feeding Booker, Ayton and Zion).

If the basketball gods favor the Valley of the Sun and not the Big (Rotten) Apple, if we
do not start our ascension rapidly, heads should roll, starting with the Head head.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I love Collins. Hard to beat a power forward that can put up 35 points or 25 rebounds in a game! I don't like Trae Young, but I would take him just to get Collins.

I like Collins a lot, I like Trae even more.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I like Collins a lot, I like Trae even more.

Good god I might trade zion for Trae and Collins. Would Atlanta do it?

Trae
Booker
Oubre
Collins
Ayton

Bridges
JJ
Warren
Johnson
Holmes


I’m salivating. That’s crazy young talent.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Good god I might trade zion for Trae and Collins. Would Atlanta do it?

Trae
Booker
Oubre
Collins
Ayton

Bridges
JJ
Warren
Johnson
Holmes


I’m salivating. That’s crazy young talent.

Zion is quite likely going to be great but I really doubt Atlanta would make that deal. And I'd start questioning my judgement on Trae if they did given that they'd know him far better than others do. Still, I'd love to go to battle with that lineup. But while it may be a long shot, I wouldn't completely rule it out either. Zion will be a money maker from day one.

 

[GatorAZ]

As much as I love Zion that’s ridiculously bad for Atlanta.

 

[AzStevenCal]

As much as I love Zion that’s ridiculously bad for Atlanta.

I don't know? It's risky but I don't know that it's bad. I don't think I would do it I was running Atlanta and you know how strongly I feel about Zion. I'd rather have the best player in the game than 2 top 10 players but Zion still has to become that best player to make a deal like that reasonable, just becoming the best of the 3 isn't enough.

 

[GatorAZ]

I don't know? It's risky but I don't know that it's bad. I don't think I would do it I was running Atlanta and you know how strongly I feel about Zion. I'd rather have the best player in the game than 2 top 10 players but Zion still has to become that best player to make a deal like that reasonable, just becoming the best of the 3 isn't enough.

Young has already shown flashes of being unstoppable. There’s no reason for them to do this.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Young has already shown flashes of being unstoppable. There’s no reason for them to do this.

I don't disagree but without considering health risks would you trade a young Curry and Draymond for a young Lebron? It's a tough call IMO but I think you stay with what you have unless there's a clear reason to make the deal. Zion might end up being worth it but the risk is just too much looking at it from the outside.

 

[BC867]

Just for the heck of it, I compared Zion's bulk to Sir Charles.

Zion is listed as 6'7" - 285. That's 3.61 pounds per inch.
More, if his height is exaggerated, as was Charles'.

Chuck was listed as 6'6" - 252. That's 3.23 pounds per inch.
His actual height was 6'4 1/2". That's 3.29 pounds per inch.

No matter how you look at it, Zion is carrying more weight for his height than the Chuckster.

And, as Zion's career progresses, will his weight do the same? Probably more than his height.

Zion looks slimmer than Charles, but I am suggesting that he could be more prone to lower
body injury the longer he plays. I don't know how Charles' big butt plays into this.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Just for the heck of it, I compared Zion's bulk to Sir Charles.

Zion is listed as 6'7" - 285. That's 3.61 pounds per inch.
More, if his height is exaggerated, as was Charles'.

Chuck was listed as 6'6" - 252. That's 3.23 pounds per inch.
His actual height was 6'4 1/2". That's 3.29 pounds per inch.

No matter how you look at it, Zion is carrying more weight for his height than the Chuckster.

And, as Zion's career progresses, will his weight do the same? Probably more than his height.

Zion looks slimmer than Charles, but I am suggesting that he could be more prone to lower
body injury the longer he plays. I don't know how Charles' big butt plays into this.

You can't put much stock in player weights back then, no way was Chuck 252 pounds most years. I know he was over 300 in college. And Chuck carried a lot of fat even after he slimmed down, Zion is solid and he doesn't seem like the type of guy to go down that Oliver Miller path. Maybe you're right about injury risk down the road but I'd hate to be scared away from drafting what could be the best player of his generation on something so nebulous.

 

[Hoop Head]

I like the idea of trading Zion to Atlanta for Young and Collins. I could see Atlanta doing it if we included Jackson or Bridges, making it an easier sell for them and of course they'd have to be able to land Ja with their own pick to consider that also. Even if it cost us Bridges, I'd still do it but I'd call for something from them, maybe the pick Dallas owes them or the less favorable of their pick and the Dallas pick next year, something. If it were Jackson and not Bridges, adios!

I believe Young will be a top 3 point guard within the next 3-4 years when some of the current crop start slowing down some. It won't just be them slowing down so much as him catching up. Collins looked good prior to Young's arrival but he's looked like a future All-Star since he's been paired with Young. He's also has great size for a PF. A starting 5 of Young, Booker, Oubre, Collins, and Ayton would be a playoff team as early as next year and a contender within 3 years. You have Bridges as a sixth man and that's a team that could stay together for the next 10 years pretty easily provided players don't get too greedy and Sarver is willing to pay for a title contender. We'd probably be at the tax line or paying it some years but if we're winning titles then I think Sarver would pay the tax provided it's not an insane figure.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Good god I might trade zion for Trae and Collins. Would Atlanta do it?

Trae
Booker
Oubre
Collins
Ayton

Bridges
JJ
Warren
Johnson
Holmes


I’m salivating. That’s crazy young talent.

that starting lineup is flat out atrocious on defense.

trading a the most sure generational talent since Anthony Davis and LeBron before him for Young and Collins is nuts to me. I think at minimum, Zion is Barkley on steroids... which means a 10 year top 5 player, with a ceiling of being MVP or n the running for MVP in multiple seasons. And as I said, I believe that's his FLOOR.

He's also just a complete and utter animal on BOTH sides of the floor. A championship team needs that, even better if it's coming from it's best player because he then sets the tone.

Don't get me wrong... that team up there would be good and VERY fun to watch. They could score with the best of them, but you are talking minimum 3 REALLY bad defenders as your starters... and your top three players. Your best three players can't be that one dimensional and hope to win a title.

 

[95pro]

Young was effective because he had the ball a lot. There’s Ayton who needs to be fed, Booker and Oubre (if he stays) that have tendencies to go for iso plays here and there.
Could be different with Monty at the helm, so who knows at this point.

 

[taz02]

Our new GM and coach both seem to be widely respected and liked by the players. If the suns were lucky to add ZION you would think they would become a top destination for any PG, even Kemba Walker?

A max offer to come play with Zion, Ayton and Booker, (all three locked in for 4-5 years) would be hard to pass on.

If you get the #1 you take ZION without question. A front court of Ayton and Zion would be too good to pass up.

 

[Mainstreet]

Our new GM and coach both seem to be widely respected and liked by the players. If the suns were lucky to add ZION you would think they would become a top destination for any PG, even Kemba Walker?

A max offer to come play with Zion, Ayton and Booker, (all three locked in for 4-5 years) would be hard to pass on.

If you get the #1 you take ZION without question. A front court of Ayton and Zion would be too good to pass up.

I think it's an option although I'm not sure how Kemba Walker feels about playing in Phoenix. He might want to stay in the East.

A core of Ayton, Zion and Booker would be dynamic.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I would much rather overpay Kemba Walker than Deangelo Russell but I don't see how we clear the money for either of them.

 

[1Sun]

I would much rather overpay Kemba Walker than Deangelo Russell but I don't see how we clear the money for either of them.

Warren and Johnson.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Warren and Johnson.

Do you think those 2 combined have anywhere near positive trade value? We'd have to throw in our first this season and probably more a lot more, no way would I consider that for Russell even if our pick fell to 7th. Kemba's a different matter but he's in control and I doubt we are high on his list.

 

[Mainstreet]

Do you think those 2 combined have anywhere near positive trade value? We'd have to throw in our first this season and probably more a lot more, no way would I consider that for Russell even if our pick fell to 7th. Kemba's a different matter but he's in control and I doubt we are high on his list.

The plus for Russell is that he is young (23) and he is friends with Booker. I think the Nets want to keep him though.

 

[1Sun]

The plus for Russell is that he is young (23) and he is friends with Booker. I think the Nets want to keep him though.

If the Nets sign Walker or Irving plus Leonard or Durant, they will need cap relief. I could see a reasonable deal getting done there involving Johnson's soon to be expiring contract.

 

[Mainstreet]

If the Nets sign Walker or Irving plus Leonard or Durant, they will need cap relief. I could see a reasonable deal getting done there involving Johnson's soon to be expiring contract.

I think Johnson's contract ($19,245,370) would make the trade harder. Maybe Warren would be easier to use.

Perhaps a later lottery pick and Warren might do it.