While the Majority of You are Stuck on Leinart and Carr...

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I have completely different thoughts...

It would come as no suprise that I am not nearly as high on Leinart or Carr. I don't think either one of them is the answer, and I wouldn't even want either of them as the #2. Sorry. I don't either one of them is tough or poised enough.

The guy that I think is the perfect heir to Kurt Warner is Jason Campbell, and today the Redskins made the possiblity of acquiring him all the more possible and realistic.

The Redskins decided to put a first round tender on him instead of a first and third, and if he stays with them, he plays this year for $3.2M.

However, if any team offers Campbell a long term contract...the Redskins are most likely not going to match it, and he can be acquired for the price of a 1st round draft pick.

If the Cardinals don't wish to part with the #26 pick, they certainly would have the option to try to make a trade with the Redskins, perhaps offering Anquan Boldin in some kind of package.

I know the love for Matty on this board, and while I do not share in your optimism for reasons I have outlined previously...especially the thought that he could actually play well this year and force his way out of town the way Antrel Rolle just has...some of you seem to be donning blinders to this very possible reality...I will tell you this, under no circumstances will the Cardinals pay Matt Leinart $14M to stay around next year. Just won't happen. if Matty wants to go play for Pete or anyone else, he'll be free to do it.

I strongly believe that Campbell is the most natural fit in Whiz's offense of any QB that can be acquired this year or next, including the rookies.

What strikes me as so telling is that the very things that Whiz had to correct and improve in Kurt Warner are the things that Campbell needs to improve...the tentative aspects of his game, for one, especially in the red zone...where Campbell is actually better equipped to succeeed in some ways than Warner was because of his athleticism.

But most important quality that Warner and Campbell share is poise and patience in the pocket. Both are fearless in that regard, and in Whiz's offense this is a priority.

This is what Scouts, Inc. wrote about Campbell last year (if you don't want to just hear my own thoughts):

* 6-5, 230, 6, Auburn

* patience and poise in the pocket to find 2nd and 3rd options.

* can power the ball into tight windows or get it deep on long throws, as well as showing good touch on shorter routes.

* has improved vision and ability to read defenses.

* runs well for his size and can move the chains on scrambles.

* has all the tools to be an excellent QB in the NFL.

When I have watched Campbell, to me his talent is unmistakable...but what I thought hampered him quite a bit was not only the play calling and the porous offensive line (43 sacks last year...twice as many as Warner's), but two of his top three WRs were smurfs (Moss and Randle-El). It's hard to throw down at smurfs when you are 6'5", especially when you have to pass over defensive linemen and their outstretched hands.

With the Cardinals Campbell wouldn't have this problem. Imagine him thowing to Fitz, for one! He also would be coached in the timing of the offense to where he can play like Warner did with much greater alacrity.

The other thing is despite not having the line of weapons Warner had last year, look at their 2009 stats:

Warner: 339/513/3753/66.1%/26-14/93.1

Campbell: 327/507/3245/64.5%/20-15/86.4

Note: Campbell played a much tougher schedule this year...just look at his own division.

Thus, imagine how Campbell can improve on last year's numbers in a more talented offense, a system that would cater to his strengths, and profitting from the astute coaching Whiz would provide.

Campbell is only 28 years old is just now heading into his prime.

Would I give up the #26 for him? Yes. I don't want the offensive momentum of the last two and a half years curtailed. And, most importantly, just as I thought with Warner, I believe he can win a Super Bowl in Cardinal red.

I believe that with Campbell the offense can continue to roar on to the tune of 26-28 points per game.

If it's anything we've learned the past two years the QB position is the most important by far.

We wrap him up for the next four years and we have our QBOF and we don't have to be at anyone's mercy.

Plus, we can then get a draft pick for Leinart and at least get something in return for two top 10 draft picks in Rolle and Leinart. We keep Leinart this year, and we get nothing.

My biggest fear is that the Bills' HC Chan Gailey (another GT offensive guru) will be after Campbell as well. But, the Bills would have to give up the #9 pick. But I believe Gailey would strongly consider that.

The Cardinals may gamble that they can make a move on Campbell next year when he becomes a UFA...but...this year I honestly believe that Campbell and his agent Joel Segal (same agent for Levi Brown) would be very willing to agree to an incentive laden contract that has base salaries in the $7-8M range, especially to come to an offense like the Cardinals'.

If you have a chance to acquire the QBOF now, you do it.

What happens next year? Leinart becomes a free agent. You want David Carr or a rookie?

It is my opinion that if the Cardinals don't settle the QB situation sooner rather than later this will set the team back for several years.

We have the monetum of two straight NFC West Championships and one year removed from the NFC Championship. We still have a Super Bowl quality offense if the QB can deliver. Let's get that QB.
 

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if Leinart fails -- the Cards can just get Campbell next year without giving up the draft choice
 

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And I would answer with this, IF Mike Shanahan decides to allow Campbell to leave that says a lot because Shanahan is the BEST coach for QB's in the NFL and has been for years now. Every QB that plays for him has career years and it's a coincidence that a guy like Cutler falls apart after leaving Shanahan's tutelage.

So if he thinks Campbell isn't worth keeping that says something.
 

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As much as I have serious, serious doubts about Matty, I'm just not sure Campbell is worth giving up a 1st rounder for, or even packing a trade with Q for... though, I'll admit that if the Cards made a move like this, I would not be upset at all.
 
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And I would answer with this, IF Mike Shanahan decides to allow Campbell to leave that says a lot because Shanahan is the BEST coach for QB's in the NFL and has been for years now. Every QB that plays for him has career years and it's a coincidence that a guy like Cutler falls apart after leaving Shanahan's tutelage.

So if he thinks Campbell isn't worth keeping that says something.

I hear you, Russ, except that Shanahan has not coached Campbell yet and he may have his eyes on someone else, which could be a boon for the Cardinals.

Plus, I think that Shanahan is over-rated. And, I wouldn't be so quick to crown his @#^&, when he went all those years with Jake Plummer.
 

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I hear you, Russ, except that Shanahan has not coached Campbell yet and he may have his eyes on someone else, which could be a boon for the Cardinals.

Plus, I think that Shanahan is over-rated. And, I wouldn't be so quick to crown his @#^&, when he went all those years with Jake Plummer.

That's my point, look at Plummer's years in Denver, Shanahan worked miracles with that guy, he couldn't make Jake a great QB but he made him a very good QB.

Then he made Cutler good enough that Plummer was expendable. Cutler gets traded and falls apart.

he got career years out of guys like Brister too. Steve Young credits Shanahan for making him into a NFL QB. So if he takes that job, looks at tape, does his background and ultimately decided to let Campbell go, I'd expect he had a reason.
 

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I consider Leinart and Campbell to be equal crap shoots

Shanny likely takes a QB early -- who will be playing by week 8

Campbell will be let go next offseason -- free to sign with whomever
 

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not gonna happen Mitch; he will be FA next season why give up pick until team knows what Matt can do?

Matt will never be Kurt (nobody will) and if Matt plays to the best of his ablitlity the Cards can continue to win as long as the defense plays better.
 
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not gonna happen Mitch; he will be FA next season why give up pick until team knows what Matt can do?

Matt will never be Kurt (nobody will) and if Matt plays to the best of his ablitlity the Cards can continue to win as long as the defense plays better.

Not if...

1) Campbell thrives this year in WASH.

2) Chan Gailey goes and pries him away to Buffalo this year...or someone else.

The Redskins left themselves vulnerable here. Had they tendered Campbell as a first and third, it would be different. They did like the Bronocs did with Brandon Marshall...if you want him and are willing to give up a #1 pick to get him go and offer him the 4 year contract.

Waiting a year is a year too late in this case. Just saying LIAC. He who hesitates is lost, especially with QBs.
 

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Mitch let me save you time. The Cards are trusting in Leinart for this year. They will get a solid backup in place in case he sucks this year as patchwork. If this is the case, we can get a first round tender qb, or top 10 qb NEXT YEAR.
 

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Mitch

Gailey has already stated he is sticking with Edwards this year. No way they get Campbell
 

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Mitch, I think Campbell would make a fine back-up (or replacement for Leinart) too. Given the fact that we are in the midst of rebuilding our defense, and given that the front office has already said they do not intend to venture very far into free agency, then that leaves the draft for us to do most of the rebuilding with. I just can't see us giving up ANY draft picks this year, when we can sign a reasonable backup without using one. Regardless of how you or I feel about Matt, the organization is committed to him, or whatever backup can come in and beat him out of the job. (You knkow how Whiz likes to have players compete for positions.) This year's QB job is Matt's to keep or lose, and the FO will not let him leave without showing them what he has in the tank as a full time starter. They have invested too much into him to do that.
 

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I will tell you this, under no circumstances will the Cardinals pay Matt Leinart $14M to stay around next year. Just won't happen.

If he shows to be a capable starter I see absolutely no reason why they wouldn't. If they were willing to give a LB almost 10 mill for one season I see no reason why they wouldnt pay 14 mill for one season to a QB.

Also from Adam Schefter on Twitter -

"Campbell was a first-round pick, so the club's options were limited. Still, he is the favorite to start Week 1 even if the Redskins use the No. 4 overall selection on a quarterback. The rookie may be eased in similar to how Mike Shanahan brought Jay Cutler along behind Jake Plummer, and Campbell obviously hasn't been good enough for another team to pay a first-rounder for."
 

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Plus, I think that Shanahan is over-rated. And, I wouldn't be so quick to crown his @#^&, when he went all those years with Jake Plummer.

huh? I'd crown Shanny ass specifically BECAUSE of what he got Jake to do during his years there. He took a pretty ridiculously mediocre-just plain BAD QB and made him efficient enough to guide them not only to the playoffs his first three years, but even to the AFC Title game once! Jake Plummer!

Yeah, this idea above makes almost as much sense as when I proclaimed Josh McCown the answer back in 2004, in other words, none whatsoever. Sorry Walt, but this one has non-starter written all over it.
 

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I know the love for Matty on this board, and while I do not share in your optimism for reasons I have outlined previously...especially the thought that he could actually play well this year and force his way out of town the way Antrel Rolle just has...some of you seem to be donning blinders to this very possible reality...I will tell you this, under no circumstances will the Cardinals pay Matt Leinart $14M to stay around next year. Just won't happen. if Matty wants to go play for Pete or anyone else, he'll be free to do it.


I don't profess "LOVE for Matty" (kinda snotty way to put it Mitch) but do believe he has earned his shot to lead this team. If he plays well enough then pay him the $14 mil because as you state it's all about the QB. If ML doesn't play well enough then both our worst fears will be realized and the Cards chances of winning a SB in the near future will be decreased.

I would much rather use the draft picks this year to restock the cupboards, especially on Defense.
 

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Thanks for thinking outside the box Mitch, but I would rather trade up early in round 2 for Colt McCoy if he is still there. As Duckjake has said in previous posts, McCoy basically ran the same short passing game that the Cards ran with Warner at the helm. Mitch I think you even had us picking him at #26

The ultimate goal in the NFL is to get to & win the Super Bowl. Too achieve that, NFL history (minus a few times) says you must have 1 of the top QB's in the game. I don't think Campbell is one of those QB's, while McCoy could be.
 
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The Cards are trusting in Leinart for this year.

So much so that Whis has continually refused to call Leinart the starter, only saying he's the only qb on the roster. Certainly doesn't sound like they're putting all their eggs in the Matty basket.
 

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Mitch let me save you time. The Cards are trusting in Leinart for this year. They will get a solid backup in place in case he sucks this year as patchwork. If this is the case, we can get a first round tender qb, or top 10 qb NEXT YEAR.

This +1

The Cardinals need picks to retool the defense and fill a lot of holes on that side of the ball. I don't think it would be logical for them to spend a 1st on a guy "just incase Leinart doesn't work out". I don't understand why you don't want to give Leinart a chance this year instead you just want to throw in people who haven't been here for years and isn't as familar with the playbook as Leinart.

If anything we'll draft a QB in the later rounds NOT in the first round or 2nd round and a BIG maybe in the 3rd if Tebow is there. If Leinart isn't successful this year we'll draft a QB in Rd 1 and you will be happy since apparently you hate Matts guts.

And no I'm not a Leinart fan or whatever I'm a Cardinal fan.
 

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However, if any team offers Campbell a long term contract...the Redskins are most likely not going to match it, and he can be acquired for the price of a 1st round draft pick.

I think that's a pretty steep price to pay Mitch.

Also, I am not as confident that Campbell will ever be the heir to Kurt. The only area of superiority in Campbell's game is a tighter deep ball. Hardly a reason to drop a #1 in the Redskins lap while having to overpay for someone of Campbells caliber.
 

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I know the love for Matty on this board, and while I do not share in your optimism for reasons I have outlined previously...especially the thought that he could actually play well this year and force his way out of town the way Antrel Rolle just has...some of you seem to be donning blinders to this very possible reality...I will tell you this, under no circumstances will the Cardinals pay Matt Leinart $14M to stay around next year. Just won't happen. if Matty wants to go play for Pete or anyone else, he'll be free to do it.

So get rid of a guy out of fear that he actually plays well and leaves?
 

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Honestly Mitch, I have completely stopped reading your threads. Can't take it anymore.

Fine... Point taken.

Stop being a jerk about it though. Aren't you wasting more time just by posting?

Do not disrespect the work he puts into the posts. Disagree if you must, but the amount of work he puts into it should be respected.
 

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I have always liked Campbell and have back him on this board for years. he would do greta in this offense IMO. Fortunately for us however, so will Matt Leinart.
 

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Ugh. Please no to Campbell. He's not an elite QB. If we are talking about a QBOF being the answer he has to be on the Manning/Brady/Brees/Warner level. I think Mitch, this is why a lot of people here bash your threads as it comes to QBs. You see a QB who is tough and think he will make a great player. While I respect a tough QB it takes much more than that. There are only 5-10 QBs in the league that are "the answer" for their teams, yet you constantly pimp the middle of the pack prospects as the answer. I don't see Matt as a top 5 QB ever either but Campbell definitely has had the chance to prove he is that caliber and has failed.

It is extremely hard for a team to find one of these elite QBs as teams just don't let these guys go except in rare circumstances (Brees vs Rivers, Farve was old and becoming a cancer, Warner had injury issues with Rams and played like crap for NYG). The top of the draft is by far the most likely place to find one and even then its less than 50/50. You shouldn't be focusing on QBs as the answer right now. It is more realistic to find a stop gap and fix the rest of the team and pray we luck into a draft pick someday. Campbell would be a stop gap, but not the answer.
 
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