While the Majority of You are Stuck on Leinart and Carr...

[Cardiac]

EXACTLY, which is why I do not understand wanting to use the first round pick on a QB. It is completely assinine. The past week in here I have seen the Cards should use the 26th pick on Tebow who will make an awful NFL QB IMO, Snead who is AT BEST a late third round pick, McCoy who I Aldo have doubts about, and now Jason Campbell. Meanwhile, the Cards should ignore the loss of Berry and the inevitable losses of Chike, Rolle and Dansby. Then turn a blind eye to the 90 points given up in two playoff games as well as the big drives at inoppertune times this defense has given up. I just don't get it.

Let me start off by saying I don't want us to draft a QB at all this year. Bring in an UDFA since this is such a crappy year for QB's.

Now for the rationale of drafting a QB this year. The QB position is the hardest to fill and the MOST important. You don't win Championships without a Quality QB. The Vikings are the poster child or the proof of this statement. Without Favre they limp into the playoffs and get exited. With Favre they are in the NFC championship game in which they lose to ....an elite QB. Yes it takes an entire team and no one man can win it by themselves but just look back at SB winning teams and you can count on one hand those who won with an average QB.

So if Whis drafts a QB this year I will be ecstatic because in Whis I trust and a quality QB has just been added to the team. Think about a draft so deep that DT's that were taken in rd 2/3 last year would last until rds 4/5 this year. This holds true at most positions except QB.

 

[chickenhead]

Campbell is an interesting idea, but that idea ends with the cost of a first-rounder, IMO. I just don't see how, with the other needs, you spend that pick on someone who is not even being brought in to be the starter. Last year we drafted a player who is now our starting RB. Imagine if we'd spend that pick on a non-starter?

 

[Cardiac]

Campbell is an interesting idea, but that idea ends with the cost of a first-rounder, IMO. I just don't see how, with the other needs, you spend that pick on someone who is not even being brought in to be the starter. Last year we drafted a player who is now our starting RB. Imagine if we'd spend that pick on a non-starter?

Mitch is proposing Campbell as the starter and trading ML away.

 

[Gaddabout]

I think Campbell has probably been ruined by that offensive line, even more so than Carr when he was a rookie. Campbell started the habit late in the season of chucking it away at the first sign of pressure. He's officially gun-shy.

I thought he'd end up being a very strong NFL QB, but he just got stuck in a place where it was very difficult to learn.

 

[ReddBird]

Intriguing, Mitch. I like Campbell.

 

[nashman]

Leinart > Campbell imo its kind of a ridiculous thread! What happened to pimping BSP cause he's clearly a starter in this league right Mitch? Your Leinart hate is OLD and at this point just plain ignorant, heres a crazy idea....Give Leinart a chance under this coaching staff to see what he has got, clearly he has not been given that chance until maybe now. Who knows Leinart could have a great year and we are set for the future!

 

[TJ]

Leinart > Campbell imo its kind of a ridiculous thread! What happened to pimping BSP cause he's clearly a starter in this league right Mitch? Your Leinart hate is OLD and at this point just plain ignorant, heres a crazy idea....Give Leinart a chance under this coaching staff to see what he has got, clearly he has not been given that chance until maybe now. Who knows Leinart could have a great year and we are set for the future!

My sentiments exactly

 

[Pariah]

I've never thought Campbell was very good. I think he's a borderline starter in the NFL without a lot of upside.

JMHO

 

[Shane]

Wait until August and he has a below average preseason game.

I repeat it is going to be a LONG season. Leinart is going to generate more venom than any Cardinal in recent memory the minute he makes any mistakes.

Heck we could lose a game 31-24 and the blame will go on Leinart because he threw for 2 TDs rather than 3.

If leinart deserves blame he will get it. If he doesn't he won't. It's as simple as that.

 

[Mulli]

If leinart deserves blame he will get it. If he doesn't he won't. It's as simple as that.

I disagree.

 

[Shane]

I disagree.

Of course!

 

[Zeno]

If leinart deserves blame he will get it. If he doesn't he won't. It's as simple as that.

I guarantee you that won't be the case. If he plays well he will get no credit from some people.

 

[Shane]

I guarantee you that won't be the case. If he plays well he will get no credit from some people.

Thats no different than any player on any team in the NFL they all have their haters.

 

[Zeno]

Thats no different than any player on any team in the NFL they all have their haters.

he just seems to have a lot more than most or that he deserves...thats my point. He'll generate longer threads on this place next season than anyone and the "debate" (to put it politely) will get heated very easily.

I have faith in is ability--my biggest worry is his durability but there is also a lingering doubt/fear in my mind that he won't live up to his potential. I just think its unfair by a lot of fans who are writing him off without a complete picture as to what kind of QB he is, writing him off to the point that we get trade a first round pick or draft a QB in round 1 to replace him.

 

[Shane]

he just seems to have a lot more than most or that he deserves...thats my point. He'll generate longer threads on this place next season than anyone and the "debate" (to put it politely) will get heated very easily.

I have faith in is ability--my biggest worry is his durability but there is also a lingering doubt/fear in my mind that he won't live up to his potential. I just think its unfair by a lot of fans who are writing him off without a complete picture as to what kind of QB he is, writing him off to the point that we get trade a first round pick or draft a QB in round 1 to replace him.

Come on bro. He is a top 10 pick who was the most highly touted "NFL ready" QB to come out in a decade. He was expected to give us the stability and excellence at the QB position that we had longed for for the next 10+ years.

He hasn't lived up to any of it. Regardless of the reasons that is a fact. Of course he is going to have his detractors. Would you really expect anything less?

He certainly doesn't give me any confidence. Yet as a fan I'm perfectly willing to give him a shot again.

 

[82CardsGrad]

he just seems to have a lot more than most or that he deserves...thats my point. He'll generate longer threads on this place next season than anyone and the "debate" (to put it politely) will get heated very easily.

You mean, he'll be treated in similar fashion to Plummer, McClown and Warner? Yea... I can see that...

 

[Mitch]

Some clarifications:

1. While I am not of the belief that Leinart is the QBOF for the Cardinals, nor do I think he's even the QBOP as many of you may see in the next few weeks and months, IF he is the starting QB for the Cardinals in Week 1, I will be rooting for him. Please understand this. I want the Cardinals to win, and I will root for all the players on the roster, and I will be the first to give credit where credit is due.

2. For those of you who think if Leinart plays at a respectable level this year that it's safe to assume he will be on the roster beyond this year, just look at what's happened with Antrel Rolle. My contention is this: if the most the Cardinals were willing to pay Kurt Warner following his unprecedented success and taking the Cardinals to their first ever Super Bowl was $11.5M, there is NO way the Cardinals are going to pay Leinart $14M. This is why you need to expect Antrel II next year, unless Leinart is willing to do the hometown deal. But...and hear me out on this...how do you really think Leinart feels about the Cardinals? Do you really know? His tenure here has been very humbling to say the least. Can you honestly trust that he would forego the shot at becoming a FA and possibly playing for Pete, for example, or a new LA franchise (if that happens and it could), for agreeing to a friendly extension with the Cardinals?

This is why all this hope and affinity for Leinart may be dashed so quickly a year from today when he pulls a Rolle on us.

Now if he struggles, the outcome is moot. He's gone.

3. Jason Campbell is a far superior athlete...better thrower, better runner, better poised in the pocket. He's been playing and starting. It will take Leinart time to re-adjust to the starting role, and that may cost the Cardinals a few wins and prevent them from winnning a third straight NFC West Championship.

4. I know many of you took umbrage to my remark that I wouldn't want Leinart as the #2. But, can any of you honestly assert that Leinart was successful in the role this year? The vast majority of his appearances were flops in circumstances that were often ideal...like with 21 point leads. If you want to hang your hopes on the second half of the Tennessee game, OK. But those are hopes and it behooves you to make excuses for the flops.

In addition, how many of you have concerns about Leinart's ability to take the hits and remain in the lineup and effectively so? This is a question mark with him, whether you want to ignore it or not.

5. Are any of you leery of lefthanded QBs? I always have been. It changes the whole dynamic of the offense.

6. As for David Carr, maybe he has suddenly found his desire to play again, but he admittedly "lost the fun of football and the desire to play" a couple of years ago. A couple of years as a backup in NY has supposedly rejuvented him...and maybe he is rejuvenated.

The issue that has been a concern about Carr and this has been well documented, is that he has a tendency to drop his arm to 3/4 and sidearm angles to throw passes, and his receivers have a hard time adjusting to those throws.

Now, Whiz may be able to correct this. Carr has a very good arm...a stronger arm than Leinart's and he has a quicker release, it's the release point that's in question.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

5. Are any of you leery of lefthanded QBs? I always have been. It changes the whole dynamic of the offense.

Yes, this really made a difference when Stabler took over in Oakland and Young stepped in for Montana.

PS: We get it, Mitch... we're all idiots for not realizing that "Bong boy" is a self-indulgent, overrated, weak armed, not very bright, prone to injury - excuse for a QB - who will desert at first opportunity.

 

[Duckjake]

I disagree.

Did Shane pick on you when you were little? The only time you post is to disagree with him.

 

[DoTheDew]

Some clarifications:


3. Jason Campbell is a far superior athlete...better thrower, better runner, better poised in the pocket. He's been playing and starting. It will take Leinart time to re-adjust to the starting role, and that may cost the Cardinals a few wins and prevent them from winnning a third straight NFC West Championship.

Mitch, my question to you is what has Campbell ever done to make you think he has what it takes to be an elite QB in the NFL? I know he hasn't had the best talent around him but elite QBs turn the Pierre Garcon and Austin Collie's of the league into good players and NFL starters. Campbell has had plenty of time to show he has it and has not shown it. If he is elite it hasn't shown up in the Redskins W/L column. Show me a team that has a great QB healthy all year and is consistently drafting in the top 10 and I will retract my statement.

I'm not willing to settle for an average QB. Those are the guys who you are lucky to win 1 SB with. I want an elite QB. Not Campbell, or Thigpen, or Snead. I want the next Peyton Manning or Drew Brees or Kurt Warner.

 

[Buckybird]

I'm not willing to settle for an average QB. Those are the guys who you are lucky to win 1 SB with. I want an elite QB. Not Campbell, or Thigpen, or Snead. I want the next Peyton Manning or Drew Brees or Kurt Warner.

agree

Thats how you win Super Bowls no doubt. They don't grow on trees & you generally have to pick them fairly high

 

[PoolBoy]

Mitch you are saying the same things over and over....and you are wrong. It's not the same as Antrel Rolle because Leinart would be a franchise QB if he plays well enough to be resigned this year, not a middle of the pack safety. It's so much different, how can you not see that?

 

[Early]

I like the idea of Campbell. He would make us a better footballteam than Leinart, no doubt in my mind there. He is very accurate and smart. Everyone arround him, including coaches were really bad, despite all that he has posted fine numbers. He has fine mechanics to run the WC. He has never been winning before, and that can be the problem with him. It hard to be a winner sudennly when you are used to losing for that long. I like his game and he could run this type of offense.

I still have Clausen and Pennington above him, but Campbell would still be a much better option than Leinart. Clausen is one of the best junior QB's to ever come out in the draft. Everything from his mechanics to his stats equal and even exceed some of the best in the game today.

As for Dansby and Rolle - If they were Ray Lewis and Ed Reed respectively, we would have one of the better defenses in NFL. Because our D-Line was in top 3 this year and our corners are not that big an issue any longer. They are not that great players, if they were we wouldn't have had one of the worst defenses of all time in late of the year and playoffs. They are solid players, but that's it. Rolle can't tackle, just look up the number of miss tackles he has. He tops the NFL each year.

The right thing to do is to save the money, and draft the right guys.

I have watched some tape of linebackers lately and i really like Bowman and Washington, if we go for a LB early. These guys have the skillset to play the WILB position, are very athletic and good in space. Micah Johnson looks so much like Gerald Hayes. Has amazing ability to take on blocker's and still make plays. Liabality in coverage just like Hayes. Pawelek has the same set of skills as Dansby. Micah and Pawelek next to eachother would make a similar tandem in terms of what they can do and what they can't as Dansby and Hayes. Both are mid to late round prospects.

 

[Stout]

I like the idea of Campbell. He would make us a better footballteam than Leinart, no doubt in my mind there. He is very accurate and smart. Everyone arround him, including coaches were really bad, despite all that he has posted fine numbers. He has fine mechanics to run the WC. He has never been winning before, and that can be the problem with him. It hard to be a winner sudennly when you are used to losing for that long. I like his game and he could run this type of offense.

I still have Clausen and Pennington above him, but Campbell would still be a much better option than Leinart. Clausen is one of the best junior QB's to ever come out in the draft. Everything from his mechanics to his stats equal and even exceed some of the best in the game today.

As for Dansby and Rolle - If they were Ray Lewis and Ed Reed respectively, we would have one of the better defenses in NFL. Because our D-Line was in top 3 this year and our corners are not that big an issue any longer. They are not that great players, if they were we wouldn't have had one of the worst defenses of all time in late of the year and playoffs. They are solid players, but that's it. Rolle can't tackle, just look up the number of miss tackles he has. He tops the NFL each year.

The right thing to do is to save the money, and draft the right guys.

I have watched some tape of linebackers lately and i really like Bowman and Washington, if we go for a LB early. These guys have the skillset to play the WILB position, are very athletic and good in space. Micah Johnson looks so much like Gerald Hayes. Has amazing ability to take on blocker's and still make plays. Liabality in coverage just like Hayes. Pawelek has the same set of skills as Dansby. Micah and Pawelek next to eachother would make a similar tandem in terms of what they can do and what they can't as Dansby and Hayes. Both are mid to late round prospects.

You know, you make a good point about Bowman. I'm a Penn State homer and really only saw him as an OLB, but he definitely could play WILB now that you mention it. At least, I think he could. It's irrelevant anyway, because I feel he'll be gone by the time we pick.