Whisenhunt and His Knuckleheads

[PDXChris]

Here you go.

 

[Phrazbit]

Given the colorful language that I have no doubt flies around in an NFL locker room, calling them "knuckleheads" is probably not the least bit offensive. When they look at film of a really really bad read that leads to an interception I bet they would LOVE if the coach only called them a "knuckle head" instead of a "stupid m***** ******".

 

[cardsfanmd]

Given the colorful language that I have no doubt flies around in an NFL locker room, calling them "knuckleheads" is probably not the least bit offensive. When they look at film of a really really bad read that leads to an interception I bet they would LOVE if the coach only called them a "knuckle head" instead of a "stupid m***** ******".

we finally agree on something lol, well said!

 

[Pariah]

"Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar."

You're reading way too much into a pretty obvious statement, IMO.

 

[JeffGollin]

"Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar."

You're reading way too much into a pretty obvious statement, IMO.

That's a Bingo!

 

[cardsfanmd]

"Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar."

Unless it came from Bill Clinton....

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

Unless it came from Bill Clinton....

It's still a cigar

Albeit one that has been placed in a really nasty humidor.

 

[Cardinals.Ken]

Here you go.

I'd be pissed if I didn't get to be Moe.

Knucklehead!

 

[desertdawg]

Whiz called into the ESPN show today on TV to discuss Knuckleheadgate. Said he just feels way better about both QBs this year and plans on fixing some of the knucklehead things they do now that will will have time this offseason. Not only was he praising our QBs, but he made it abundantly clear that's who we are rolling with this year. They asked him about a open QB competition, he then resorted back to some Whiz speak. Sounds like it's Kolb's job and he is very comfortable with Skelton as the back up. Other than the QB comp in camp, he was pretty straight forward.

They then asked him about some of the talent we have lost during his (Whiz's) time here, and brought up CC. Whiz acknowledged it, and then said CC will be a Cardinal.

All I got out of all this is Kolb is starting, Skelton is back up, and they want to sign CC. The Manning thing was fun to talk about, but it looks like we are paying Kolb that money, which folks love to hate talking about in here.

If the Oline somehow magically comes together, and if we have a real 2 back threat in the back field, mixed with some 2 TE sets, I really don't care which guy is throwing the ball. We did much better in the games when we didn't put the QB on a platter back there all by himself ALL GAME, it was like we almost realized Kurt was gone or someone else was actually calling plays. But then we'd go right back to that Cheese Whiz spread offense (usually on first down ((while smarter teams pass via play action)), I hope that changes this year. Williams and Beanie's health will most likely determin how much we run it, again.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Whiz called into the ESPN show today on TV to discuss Knuckleheadgate. Said he just feels way better about both QBs this year and plans on fixing some of the knucklehead things they do now that will will have time this offseason. Not only was he praising our QBs, but he made it abundantly clear that's who we are rolling with this year. They asked him about a open QB competition, he then resorted back to some Whiz speak. Sounds like it's Kolb's job and he is very comfortable with Skelton as the back up. Other than the QB comp in camp, he was pretty straight forward.

They then asked him about some of the talent we have lost during his (Whiz's) time here, and brought up CC. Whiz acknowledged it, and then said CC will be a Cardinal.

All I got out of all this is Kolb is starting, Skelton is back up, and they want to sign CC. The Manning thing was fun to talk about, but it looks like we are paying Kolb that money, which folks love to hate talking about in here.

That's as of today. I am sure Whiz's tune will change if/when Manning signs with the Cards.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Post of the Year!

:number1:

It's early. Duck is always at his best a couple months out and recovered from another disappointng year from the Longhorns .

 

[cardsfanmd]

Well call Ken Whizenhunt the knucklehead of all knuckleheads, He got a new contract paying him more than 5 million a year for 5 years! He is the QB Decider-the alpha and the Omega- HE wanted THAT in his new contract. And He sucks at it! just look at keeping only Kurt and Matt as a rookie HC in 2007! signing Tim and Tim off the couch!

Just what in Ken Whisenhunt good at as a HC? Personell :Faneca? Porter? Mcfaddin?
playcalling? player education and development? staff development?
When the chips were down Whiz blamed the players at the end of 2010! All of them and said he was going to replace them - and there were 50 new faces at camp like Whiz promised.

But this crap below? Really, I knew the answer knucklehead and I pay admission not recieve a paycheck. I like knuckleheads

“that is a question I don’t know can ever be answered.”

Who knows? That’s the question that can’t be answered but I am sure it is a popular topic.”

http://www.azcardinals.com/news-and-events/article-2/Free-Agents-Wait/ba12dfd3-6250-4635-b83b-aa42cf69623b​

WHAT IF WITH LEINART​

The Cardinals released Matt Leinart

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right before the regular season. Then they proceeded to use four different quarterbacks during their 5-11 season.
Coach Ken Whisenhunt said it was “fair” to ask him if he had regrets how the quarterback situation was handled. Overall, he said, the coaches were “fair and honest with the process.” As for the idea Leinart could have made a difference in the season, Whisenhunt said “that is a question I don’t know can ever be answered.”​

Whisenhunt reiterated the decision to part ways with Leinart was best for the team at the time.

“It was based on performance,” Whisenhunt said. “It was based on the reaction of the team to the players and who was in there and the confidence that our team had in that position being able to execute. And that was what it was all about. It was based on the work in the offseason. It was based on the work in OTAs and in training camp and that is the way you have to evaluate players, I think. Who knows? That’s the question that can’t be answered but I am sure it is a popular topic.”​

Dude. Really? How much paint do you huff before posting? I have no clue what you just said...

 

[Duckjake]

It's early. Duck is always at his best a couple months out and recovered from another disappointng year from the Longhorns .

Actually I really don't follow Longhorn basketball that much.

Now as for Longhorn football just so we don't forget:

McCoy hit Quan Cosby for a 26-yard touchdown with 16 seconds to play, lifting the third-ranked Longhorns to a 24-21 victory over No. 10 Ohio State on Monday night. The dramatic strike capped an 11-play, 78-yard drive that took only 1:42.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

This raises a totally separate issue.

At what point do you want your coaches and players to be all rah-rah and pollyannish in their public comments and at what point do you want them to be real?

Sometimes when a coach or team rep glosses over obvious weaknesses and prefers instead to run through the litany of talking point cliches, it can be frustrating.

By no means should a coach or player publically drag his team down, but sometimes it's refreshing to hear a guy acknowledge that things aren't perfect and that "they get it."

The trick, I think, is to do it in good humor, and I think that's what Wiz did by conceding that sometimes young QB's do knucklehead things.

Agreed.

One day it is a complaint about our head coach being too cliche' ridden and vague.

The next day he is too real.

Pick a lane is what I say.

 

[BigRedRage]

who is matt lienart?

 

[JeffGollin]

OT - It would be helpful that - when we want to refer to something said in a quote - we delete the 90% irrelevent stuff in the quote and just leave the salient point(s) we want to talk about (surrounded by ...elipses... when necessary to indicate that an excerpt was taken out of context).

I won't even repost thesmels's quote because it's just too long an rambling, but I do feel it deserves some sort of respoinse:

I realize it doesn't always seem that way, but Wiz has been reliable and consistent in his statements since he's been here.

His steady core policy throughout has been: "(1) I'll tell you what the plan is going in, but (2) I will adjust to "events on the ground" as they happen throughout the season."

In real-life historical terms: "Leinart's my man going in, but - at any point during the season - that could change if a better alternative would be better for the team. (It turned out to be Warner; and later turned out that Matt couldn't hold onto his starting role and lost it altogether. Thems was the events on the ground at that time).

As of right now: "Kolb and Skelton are my guys, but there are things that might happen that could make this change."

I truly believe that personnel decisions are more art than science - if a HC "stays the course", he may protect the stability and structure of his current roster. But he may also perpetuate a chronic problem. Or - if a HC makes a bold change in direction - he may proactively remedy a situation needing to be fixed or he might contribute to a team's "chronic culture of instability."

Which way is the right way? Whatever works.

Which way is the wrong way? Whatever gets screwed up.

I believe that Wiz addresses each problem uniquely and has been willing to take the heat when his decisions were wrong and deserves credit when they've worked out better. I also believe there are two ways we can judge him: (1) have more of his decisions been winners than duds, and has the team been more successful than unsuccessful during his regime? and (2) looking forward, are we better off with him than with somebody else?

Personally, I'm glad he came here and will continue to be here.

 

[crisper57]

LOL.

Yes, Noogies was the first thing that my mind associated with knucklehead.

Whiz may be able to give "noogies" to his QB's but Kolb might skin him, and Skelton may just sit on him.

Noogies are hazing and have no place in this world!

 

[Darkside]

Interesting that Whisenhunt has recently been quoted as saying that Kolb and Skelton "played like knuckleheads at times." Now, some may consider this nothing more than an innocuous remark---and some may find it as funny as the silly photo (that accompanies the PFT report of CKW's quote) of Kolb and Skelton sharing a goofy laugh on the sidelines---while others may feel the caustic irony of the remark---

It was Whisenhunt who said last year, prior to trading DRC and a 2nd round pick for 4 year backup Kevin Kolb and signing him to a $65M contract that "I am not comfortable with any of the QBs on the roster."

Perhaps this is CKW's way of reiterating the same sentiment one year later.

Funny that Skelton continues to get called out by his head coach and thrown into a negative light and dubious status when both last year and this year it was Skelton (warts and all) who bailed CKW and the team out by accomplishing the following:

2010:

In his first start, despite never having taken a snap with the first team offense all season (in a season where QB play was dreadful, no less), he leads the team to a 43-13 victory over Denver and breaks the team's hapless 7 game losing streak---despite the egregious fact too that CKW was considering starting street FA Rich Bartel who was still being fitted for a helmet having just been signed.

Leading the exciting comeback 27-26 win versus the Cowboys on Christmas Day.

Finishing 2-2, on the heels of a dismal 3-9 record.

2011:

Takes over in Week 8 when the team was 1-6. Breaks the six game losing streak in his first start versus the Rams.

Goes 6-2 in games where he took the vast majority of the snaps.

Leads the team to 5 4th quarter victories.

Goes 4-0 versus the NFC West---breaking the three straight loss streak to Pete Carroll and the Seahawks---and breaking the five game losing streak to the 49ers.

Skelton's Career:

8-4

6 comeback 4th quarter wins.

4-1 in NFC West. (Team 1-6 versus NFC West last 2 years otherwise)

Team Record in games Skelton did not take the majority of snaps? 5-15.

It can be argued that the two people who saved CKW's butt this past season more than any other were John Skelton and Ray Horton---

Would CKW still be the HC if the team finished as they started and gone 2-14 or 3-13? Especially after last year?

Whisenhunt deserves credit for starting Skelton and for hiring Ray Horton.

However, is it possible that team won despite Whisenhunt and his all too monotonous and predictable offense?---and his penchant for mishandling QBs not named Warner?

Even with Warner---under Whisenhunt, Warner was named the starter in the off-season ONLY once (after his Super Bowl run---and exasperating contract negotiations).

Let it be said as well that Whisenhunt didn't do Horton many favors last off-season---when the off-season moves were focused primarily on the offense---sure, they drafted CB Patrick Peterson in the first round, but that was in part to give them the flexibility to trade for QB Kevin Kolb---and then, having spent a 1st round pick on a RB two years previously, he drafts a RB in Round 2, then with major holes on defense still to address, he drafts a situational pass catching TE in Round 3, a FB in Round 5 (who turned out to be the one impact rookie on offense) and a WR in Round 7.

In free agency---the Cardinals' biggest signing was at LG in Daryn Colledge---they also signed WR Chansi Stuckey, G/T Pork Chop Womack, TEs Jeff King and Todd Heap...to add to QB Kevin Kolb and draftees: RB Ryan Williams (2nd), TE Rob Housler (3rd), FB Anthony Sherman (5th) and WR DeMarco Sampson (7th).

Of these 10 additions on offense, only 3 of them made a consistently positive impact: Colledge, King and Sherman.

On defense the FA signings were backup DE Nick Eason, backup LB Stewart Bradley and CB Richard Marshall. In the THT trade backup DE Vonnie Holliday was added. In the draft Horton gets CB Patrick Peterson (1st), LB Sam Acho (4th), DT David Carter (6th) and LB Quan Sturdivant (6th).

Positive impacts under Horton? Eason, Marshall, Holliday, Peterson, Acho and Carter. ALL of them save Stewart Bradley 9who was outplayed big-time by Paris Lenon) and PS player Sturdivant. And look at how Rhodes developed the 2nd-3rd year young talent in Washington, Williams, Schofield, Johnson and Jefferson. Washington made exceptional strides, in particular, while the others showed solid signs of talent and improvement.

When one looks at what Rhodes was given and what he was able to accomplish---it just goes to show what effective and steady coaching can do.

The biggest irony of all is---who is going to look like the knucklehead when he releases Kevin Kolb? Might as well call Kolb a knucklehead on his way out the door---not exactly funny for a guy who spent the last 5 weeks of the season on the sideline with cobwebhead, largely because the HC's offense repeatedly allows for straight line shots to the QB.

Both John Skelton and Ray Rhodes deserve better this off-season---both deserve votes of confidence---and both deserve stronger support from their HC.

if not, maybe Whisenhunt can replace Kornheiser and join Wilbon on PTI so that he can be the one to wave the Canadian flag and sign off: "Goodnight, knuckleheads."

We're way too politically correct nowdays. I don't mean you specifically, I mean in general. Everyone has to play nice and speak nice, even if inside they've got the thoughts of an axe-murderer. I mean, wouldn't people like some clue? Like if a dude has been saying for years he likes the way your head would fit on his mantle, you can rest assured you have an axe murderer in your midst. Instead we force a dude to say he likes the way your shirt fits around your neckline. I find it disturbing frankly. Sometimes an idiot is just an idiot. Sometimes a dude is just an ass, he's not someone who is socially challenged, he's just an ass.

And there are such things as stupid questions.

And your kid didn't take the final first place ribbon, he took 52nd out of 52 contestants, that's called last where I come from. Video games rarely even say, "Game over," anymore, they say "Please restart," or "Save from last checkpoint," because some dumb **** is gonna get his or her feelings hurt.

You know what Kolb should be upset about? Not being called a knucklehead. He should be upset about having to compete for what he thought was his job (and the same goes for Skelton). That's what matters. That's way more insulting than being called a knucklehead. That instills the competition, that instills the drive, the feelings of being slighted.

Words don't matter anymore, because we're so consumed with being fake and false about how we feel. Kids can't even play dodge-ball man, because someone might get hit with the thing, which, incidentally, is the whole point of freaking dodge-ball.

<Dismounts from soapbox>

 

[Darkside]

And yes, I know I'm socially challenged.

 

[THESMEL]

yes

Whiz threw our number 10 overall draft pick away. We only had to pay $2.5 million that year the big number came the next year.

Kubiak picked him up and first round tendered him to protect him and then signed him 2 more years.

The last time we did that WAS NEVER!

The evidence that Graves and Whiz are personell IDIOTS, Is completely overwhelming, in all areas.

Can you understand that!

Horton Coaching the Cardinal out of MCFADDEN after 1 year! and going back to the SB.
Name a more disrespected personel move in history? Haynsworth?

OT - It would be helpful that - when we want to refer to something said in a quote - we delete the 90% irrelevent stuff in the quote and just leave the salient point(s) we want to talk about (surrounded by ...elipses... when necessary to indicate that an excerpt was taken out of context).

I won't even repost thesmels's quote because it's just too long an rambling, but I do feel it deserves some sort of respoinse:

I realize it doesn't always seem that way, but Wiz has been reliable and consistent in his statements since he's been here.

His steady core policy throughout has been: "(1) I'll tell you what the plan is going in, but (2) I will adjust to "events on the ground" as they happen throughout the season."

In real-life historical terms: "Leinart's my man going in, but - at any point during the season - that could change if a better alternative would be better for the team. (It turned out to be Warner; and later turned out that Matt couldn't hold onto his starting role and lost it altogether. Thems was the events on the ground at that time).

As of right now: "Kolb and Skelton are my guys, but there are things that might happen that could make this change."

I truly believe that personnel decisions are more art than science - if a HC "stays the course", he may protect the stability and structure of his current roster. But he may also perpetuate a chronic problem. Or - if a HC makes a bold change in direction - he may proactively remedy a situation needing to be fixed or he might contribute to a team's "chronic culture of instability."

Which way is the right way? Whatever works.

Which way is the wrong way? Whatever gets screwed up.

I believe that Wiz addresses each problem uniquely and has been willing to take the heat when his decisions were wrong and deserves credit when they've worked out better. I also believe there are two ways we can judge him: (1) have more of his decisions been winners than duds, and has the team been more successful than unsuccessful during his regime? and (2) looking forward, are we better off with him than with somebody else?

Personally, I'm glad he came here and will continue to be here.

 

[Darkside]

Whiz threw our number 10 overall draft pick away. We only had to pay $2.5 million that year the big number came the next year.

Kubiak picked him up and first round tendered him to protect him and then signed him 2 more years.

The last time we did that WAS NEVER!

The evidence that Graves and Whiz are personell IDIOTS, Is completely overwhelming, in all areas.

Can you understand that!

There's a "personnel" idiot floating around, but it isn't Graves and Whiz.

 

[BigRedRage]

Quote:
Originally Posted by THESMEL
Whiz threw our number 10 overall draft pick away. We only had to pay $2.5 million that year the big number came the next year.

Kubiak picked him up and first round tendered him to protect him and then signed him 2 more years.

The last time we did that WAS NEVER!

The evidence that Graves and Whiz are personell IDIOTS, Is completely overwhelming, in all areas.

Can you understand that!


So, cutting a guy who has been a backup ever since he left, finally got in a game and broke his shoulder again and will likely never be more than a #2 again was a horrible move still? You are one stubborn guy.

 

[WildBB]

This coming season with the full slate of team workouts will be the DO OR DIE year for Kolb.

I think that they've come this far, they want to see what a full year in the system will do for Kolb. They are willing to eat that 8M to find out. Cause it's such a vital position on the team.

That said - I'm still rooting for JS to make more strides as well. He's still got my vote.

 

[THESMEL]

Stubborn

yes Stubborn I am, Yea it was his 3rd season ending sholder surgery in his career. but He went 9-10 in his brief window with Houston, He outplayed all our 2010 QBs before Whiz cut him,

But regardless of my stubborness and Matt Leinart, What about Mcfadden? Porter? Faneca? Buster Davis? Rolle, Dansby, Q and Reggie Wells? Cody Brown?
Why did we go over 5 years before signing a drafted Cardinal under Whisenhunt? Than it was to over pay DD, Which I was the only joker saying come on now, 4 sacks in the season and 3 sacks in a SB does not make a top Dlineman!

I think only DD and AW in 7 years have multi year deals, under whiz as far as drafted cardinal players? is Sendlein still year to year? UFA ! I think Fransico was signed for more than one year and then cut in 7 years?

I don't know what would make me happy? I think we can run the ball but just don't? Our identity is Fitz.

Whiz is the WTF factor?

http://www.sportscity.com/NFL/Arizona-Cardinals-Salaries

Quote:
Originally Posted by THESMEL
Whiz threw our number 10 overall draft pick away. We only had to pay $2.5 million that year the big number came the next year.

Kubiak picked him up and first round tendered him to protect him and then signed him 2 more years.

The last time we did that WAS NEVER!

The evidence that Graves and Whiz are personell IDIOTS, Is completely overwhelming, in all areas.

Can you understand that!


So, cutting a guy who has been a backup ever since he left, finally got in a game and broke his shoulder again and will likely never be more than a #2 again was a horrible move still? You are one stubborn guy.

 

[Darkside]

You know, it's so simple, so armchair, so peanut-gallery, to point to dudes we let go and not focus on guys we've kept and guys we have. It's all within a structure. All within a salary cap.

Why can't we focus on what we have now?

Why focus on dudes we lost years ago, guys we didn't draft years ago? It's idiotic. Teams that do that just suck frankly.

We have to focus on what we do have, and we have some good players in Fitz, Campbell, DWash, Adub, Dockett (I know you hate Dockett, cuz he took a shower, lol), etc.

We can keep looking at the past and not realize what we've gained as an example, and we can stay chumps, or we can realize that for every DE Smith, we get a Campbell, and for every DRC, we have a Patrick Peterson, for every Dansby, there's a Dwash. Let's get real man. Why must we keep looking backward? We do that way too much, even regarding our SB year. We have to move on, it's the only way to get better.