Whisenhunt: GROW A PAIR

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By all accounts, Boger blew this game for you. The call was flat out wrong. Yet, instead of having a little fire, a little passion, a little anger, we get the same old "well it shouldn't have come down to that...." nonsense. No it shouldn't have, but when your team is JOBBED you need to stand up, take the fine and fight back.

Grow a pair!
 

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By all accounts, Boger blew this game for you. The call was flat out wrong. Yet, instead of having a little fire, a little passion, a little anger, we get the same old "well it shouldn't have come down to that...." nonsense. No it shouldn't have, but when your team is JOBBED you need to stand up, take the fine and fight back.

Grow a pair!

Couldn't agree with you less. Getting pissed about a refs call is our job, his job is to win football games. I might agree if we were talking about the NBA as it actually does seem to influence calls in the next game (although not always in a positive way) but it's a wasted effort in the NFL IMO. The last thing a team of soft-headed players need is for their coach to start making "we got screwed" excuses. We did get screwed but the coach is correct, it should not have come down to that.

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The defense made the play and recovered the ball. If the correct ruling is made the Cards get the ball with the lead and no timeouts for the Giants. Game over Cards win. The call resulted in an extra opportunity for the Giants to get to win. If you have been a Cardinals fan for as long as many of us have been you are sick and tired of Tuesday apology letters from the league for the continual screw jobs by incompetent officials.
 

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Look... it shouldn't have come to that but the fact is that it did and once again the cards got screwed! Damn even Eli said it was a fumble they got a huge break. The cards fell apart no doubt but the refs decided this game with one terrible call!
 

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The defense made the play and recovered the ball. If the correct ruling is made the Cards get the ball with the lead and no timeouts for the Giants. Game over Cards win. The call resulted in an extra opportunity for the Giants to get to win. If you have been a Cardinals fan for as long as many of us have been you are sick and tired of Tuesday apology letters from the league for the continual screw jobs by incompetent officials.

Nobody is disagreeing with this as far as I can tell. I'm just saying that the last person that should be railing about blown calls is the Head Coach. It sends the wrong message to the players.

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Everyone should stop crying about that call. Make the plays to win the game and you will win it. End of story.

I knew ASFN would be loaded with this bull.
 

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It was a horrible call but not the sole reason for the loss. However, while I was watching Rex Ryan tonight I wondered if the refs would've had the balls to stick with that call if they had to go to the sideline and explain it to him or some other 'alpha male' coach. Maybe we get these ridiculous calls because Whiz is seen as a push over? I can't remember the last time I've seen him fired up on the sideline.
 

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It was a horrible call but not the sole reason for the loss. However, while I was watching Rex Ryan tonight I wondered if the refs would've had the balls to stick with that call if they had to go to the sideline and explain it to him or some other 'alpha male' coach. Maybe we get these ridiculous calls because Whiz is seen as a push over? I can't remember the last time I've seen him fired up on the sideline.

Right. I mean you NEVER see basketball coaches get all over the refs for what they think is a bad call. Did you see Coughlin throwing a fit over the time out?

The Cards are a soft franchise from top to bottom and that is why they are usually on the bottom.
 

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Whisenhunt should grow a pair and accept some blame himself. Attacking officials only antagonizes them and results in more jobbing. I have had enough of his accusations that players didn't execute
 

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If there is something Whis doesn't have an issue with, it's growing a pair.

The dude is such a stubborn mule, his balls are brass and weigh a ton apiece. He isn't afraid of anything, other than admitting he is wrong or firing Russ Grimm.
 

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Butif he blamed the refs then you would argue "well it shouldn't have come down to that...." nonsense.
 

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Right. I mean you NEVER see basketball coaches get all over the refs for what they think is a bad call. Did you see Coughlin throwing a fit over the time out?

The Cards are a soft franchise from top to bottom and that is why they are usually on the bottom.

Exactly. I am tired of Whiz standing around acting like there is nothing wrong. Coughlin was in the ref's ear for about fifteen minutes about that timeout. The bad call was probably in response to the heat they were getting.
 

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I've now seen the play and I agree it was bogus, and I also agree that it decided the game.

That does NOTHING to address us giving the Giants that opportunity which they should never have gotten in the first place.

So even if you're right that we didn't lose the game we still lost because we allowed them to have the opportunity to beat us with a bad call which is what went down.

Next time, run the ball down their damn throats and step on their neck when you have a chance.

Until we learn to do that, crap like this will continue to happen cause we NEVER get the calls.
 

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I remember a Steeler game, where a call was made just before the half that Bill Cowher didn't like. Going off the field at halftime he berated the ref big time. By doing that he showed his team that he cared. It doesn't help us by giving advice to KW, even when it's good advice. Let's see if the Arizona media has the guts to take on the coach at today's presser. Do they (media) need to grow a pair also? Stay tuned.
 

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I remember a Steeler game, where a call was made just before the half that Bill Cowher didn't like. Going off the field at halftime he berated the ref big time. By doing that he showed his team that he cared. It doesn't help us by giving advice to KW, even when it's good advice. Let's see if the Arizona media has the guts to take on the coach at today's presser. Do they (media) need to grow a pair also? Stay tuned.

La Russa did that last night on national TV, complained about two different strike zones in the Phillies / Cardinal game even though he knew it would get him in trouble.

The Cardinals rallied to win the game.
 

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I think whiz getting fired up or pissed off would greatly inspire this team. I mean we have some players and don't be surprised if some think whiz is a punk because he never sticks uP for them or says anything it seems no matter how many times we get jobbed! Not only doesn't he stick up for them he throws them under the bus saying they need to execute, taking no fault like he's not the one calling the ridiculous plays at the wrong times, but what does that have to do with him right. He had better do something because this bunch is ready to roll over! Another heartbreaker like this one and this season may be over in a bad bad way!
 

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Nobody is disagreeing with this as far as I can tell. I'm just saying that the last person that should be railing about blown calls is the Head Coach. It sends the wrong message to the players.

Steve

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It's a fact of life - a "given" - that our team will always have play against a constant head-wind in the form of unfavorable calls. It's a handicap no different than the minus-three points when you don't have home-field advantage.

Whining about it won't change anything. We just have to find a way to play-thru it and raise the bar high enough so that we consistently overcome bogus calls and win anyway.

Whether or not Wiz publically ******* about this won't change a thing. (Admittedly, it might make him and us feel better and perhaps score "leadership brownie points" for standing up for his players; but, from the coach's perspective, it might have precisely the opposite impact - namely, it might give players an excuse to fall back on).

(Note - This is not to say that Michael B and Rod G shouldn't be raising all kinds of hell behind the scenes and thru appropriate channels to make the playing-field a little less tilted).

A few other points worth making:

- Calais' comment that the team was probably "distracted" by the bogus call on the Cruz fumble is another way of saying that the team "lacks mental toughness" by allowing itself to be rattled by a bum call. (Don't great teams fight back rather than "get distracted")?

- After the final Giant TD, we got the ball back for more than 2-minutes, but couldn't do anything with it. The Giants made a couple of plays at crunch time. We didn't. (Mental toughness)?

- Is mental toughness inborn? Or can it be learned? (Or can it be passed thru to the players via good coaching leadership and preparation)?

- How long are we going to have to wait for our young CB's (and veteran safeties). to learn how not to let receivers get behind them deep for long gains?

- We were penalized 11 times. Kolb was sacked 4 times. Our DB's gave up 2 deep TD's (again!) late in the game. Plenty of wrong things likely to cause us to lose - bum call or not.

- On the brighter side, our running game got untracked and we played well enough to beat a physically tough NFC East foe.

- It's important that all the good effort by our players gets validated by Wins; lest they lose heart. Besides Seattle, we haven't played anyone in the NFC West and there's still time to turn things around. (It's that time of year when there are always 3 or 4 teams you count out, but who then put together a nice little mini-streak and somehow reach the playoffs. No reason we can't be one of them. The tragedy would be if the team collectively gave up and missed out on legitimate opportunities to turn things around).

- Each player has to figure out what specific things (most of them small) he needs to do to make the team good enough to win games we've been losing.
 
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Maybe Whis is thinking he might get the call next time if he doesn't make a scene? Kinda like an employee just working hard without expressing any complaints about his/her salary hoping to get a huge increase in pay next year. Which both cases, they don't get the call nor huge raises...unfortunately.
 

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Couldn't agree with you less. Getting pissed about a refs call is our job, his job is to win football games.

Think about this: Just minutes before this event, Caughlin was SCREAMING at the refs for taking away one of his timeouts during the Whiz challenge fiasco. Absolutely screaming. You think that might have still been in the back of the refs (pea sized) brains when they had to make a decision about the fumble?

I think it would have been appropriate for KW to lose a gasket there. Sometimes the squeeky wheel gets the grease.
 

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I remember a Steeler game, where a call was made just before the half that Bill Cowher didn't like. Going off the field at halftime he berated the ref big time. By doing that he showed his team that he cared. It doesn't help us by giving advice to KW, even when it's good advice. Let's see if the Arizona media has the guts to take on the coach at today's presser. Do they (media) need to grow a pair also? Stay tuned.

Not only that, but it lets the refs know he is watching them and understands the rule book. A majority of coaches dont know half the rules.
 
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By all accounts, Boger blew this game for you. The call was flat out wrong. Yet, instead of having a little fire, a little passion, a little anger, we get the same old "well it shouldn't have come down to that...." nonsense. No it shouldn't have, but when your team is JOBBED you need to stand up, take the fine and fight back.

Grow a pair!
Haha. Why would you argue, what he has no control over. Do you honestly think that would change the refs mind. Was the call incorrect. Yes without a doubt. Do I think arguing would've mattered.Hell no.
 

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Think about this: Just minutes before this event, Caughlin was SCREAMING at the refs for taking away one of his timeouts during the Whiz challenge fiasco. Absolutely screaming. You think that might have still been in the back of the refs (pea sized) brains when they had to make a decision about the fumble?

I think it would have been appropriate for KW to lose a gasket there. Sometimes the squeeky wheel gets the grease.

Heat of the moment is one thing. Blowing a gasket and blaming the loss on the officials in a post-game interview is another thing altogether.

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Everyone should stop crying about that call. Make the plays to win the game and you will win it. End of story.

I knew ASFN would be loaded with this bull.

Since when is a fumble recovery not a play to win the game?

You guys, including the coach who pound this "well we should have made the plays to win" are picking and choosing which plays you think we should make. This game is won and lost on turnovers, especially when you have an elite QB who, despite being a gigantic vagina, knows how to win in the clutch. The team DID make a play to win the game - and it was eradicated by an blatantly incorrect call.
 

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Let me defend Whiz by saying this. He don't need to inspire his team, by yelling at the refs. Cuz if your not motivated already there is no reason why they should be on the field. These guys are grown ass men, you don't have to baby them. He was right when he said, they should've never been put in that situation. So next time step on there throats, and finish the game.
 
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