Whisenhunt is all ears

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Whisenhunt is all ears

Kent Somers

The Arizona Republic
Aug. 5, 2007 05:22 PM
FLAGSTAFF - If being a player's coach means you acquiesce to every request or demand that players make, then Ken Whisenhunt is not that guy. On some things, he's as immovable as the Walkup Skydome on the Northern Arizona University campus.

But if being a player's coach means you will not only listen to what players have to say but actually solicit their opinions, then the title fits the Cardinals' first-year coach.

The Steelers' offensive coordinator the past three years, Whisenhunt brought many things with him from Pittsburgh: a handful of coaches, an offensive philosophy based on the run and a no-appointment policy for his players. If they need to talk to him, they don't have to look far to find him.
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He has established a committee of players, 12 to 14 veterans, who advise him and inform him on a variety of topics.

It's an idea borrowed from former Steelers coach Bill Cowher, and Whisenhunt uses the committee as both a sounding board and warning siren.

"It could be something as simple as what time we leave for games, to situations about the food or meal times or the schedule," Whisenhunt said. "Also, it's kind of a team thing, how they're feeling about certain situations. It's a way to communicate, especially with the leaders of your team, so you can address the issues."

Maybe he'll agree with them. Maybe he won't. But he'll listen and consider what they have to say.

"Just because they bring something up doesn't mean they are going to get it," he said with a slight smile, "but it's just a further way of communicating."

Some players weren't thrilled with conducting a precamp conditioning run in Flagstaff at 7,000-feet elevation instead of at the training facility. Whisenhunt, however, explained that he wanted to do it as a way to kick off camp and to build team chemistry.

There is no set time that Whisenhunt meets with the committee, at least not yet. They will be held every two weeks or so during the season, more often if needed.

The meetings could be all of two minutes and go something like this:

Whisenhunt: "Everything OK, guys?"

Players: "We're good. Let's go."

Or the meetings might be considerably longer, if the team has issues.

"It may be a way to express their concerns and desires in a group, rather than a one on one setting," Whisenhunt said. "A lot of times they will be in their in the locker room talking about something, and they'll say, 'Look, the team doesn't like the meal structure.' Or maybe they want to leave for a game on a Friday instead of a Saturday. And if there's something I want to float out there a little bit, I can."

It's a way for Whisenhunt to address a problem before it becomes a crisis, and a way for his players to express opinions in a non-confrontational, positive way.

"It's pretty much him trying to get our input, how we feel about things," receiver Anquan Boldin said. "Basically, the final decision is up to him, but he wants our input.

"It makes you want to play even harder for a guy like that, a guy who is really concerned about the players and what the attitude is in the locker room. It shows us he cares how we feel."
 

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Its funny how much sports have changed. You think Vince Lombardi cared what the players thought of the meal scheduling. But in today's sports this is a good idea.
 

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It's all good. Whisenhunt's a genius until the first three-game losing streak. Then it's that he's too close to the players, his camp wasn't physical enough, and that he's more concerned about being liked by the press than winning football games.

After Dave McGinnis, I'm not really sure how anyone can be impressed by any of this.
 

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It's all good. Whisenhunt's a genius until the first three-game losing streak. Then it's that he's too close to the players, his camp wasn't physical enough, and that he's more concerned about being liked by the press than winning football games.

After Dave McGinnis, I'm not really sure how anyone can be impressed by any of this.


Yawwwwn.
 

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It's all good. Whisenhunt's a genius until the first three-game losing streak. Then it's that he's too close to the players, his camp wasn't physical enough, and that he's more concerned about being liked by the press than winning football games.

After Dave McGinnis, I'm not really sure how anyone can be impressed by any of this.

There is nothing wrong with doing this part of the profession correctly.

That being said, it is only a bonus. He has to do the other part, you know, that win-thing. I think stuff like this helps, but this guy better know football, too.

K-9 is right, losing will crush all the good signs. Winning, however, will cement it.
 

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[It's an idea borrowed from former Steelers coach Bill Cowher, and Whisenhunt uses the committee as both a sounding board and warning siren.

Cowher used it and he didnt do too bad if I remember correctly...
 

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Cowher used it and he didnt do too bad if I remember correctly...

Yeah, and I'm sure that McGinnis did some of the things that he learned from Ditka when the Bears were winning Super Bowls. None of it matters if the product on the field remains horrible. All of Cowher's previous assistants have been failures as head coaches.
 

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I think you miss the other side of Wiz being VERY different from Mac. Mac HOPED the players would be accountable. Wiz REQUIRES it - or else!

It's the carrot AND the stick - not just one or the other.

Of course when they lose, people opt out; it's human nature. But, then again, I think using both carrot and stick gives you the best chance of minimizing the bad impact.

Pete
 

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Part of this is style on Wis' part, but there is also the natural reaction to address what were perceived as deficiencies in the last regime's approach:

Denny rarely talked to players. Wasnt a good communicator. Also didnt win many football games.

Any causation there? Who knows, but in the event that there is, you might as well fix it.
 

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I think you miss the other side of Wiz being VERY different from Mac. Mac HOPED the players would be accountable. Wiz REQUIRES it - or else!

It's the carrot AND the stick - not just one or the other.

Of course when they lose, people opt out; it's human nature. But, then again, I think using both carrot and stick gives you the best chance of minimizing the bad impact.

Pete

Or else what, exactly? Oliver Ross was horrible last season, and so he gets promoted to a starting job? Nick Leckey was solid in the second half of last season, and so he gets demoted without playing a down? How has anyone been held accountable?

This isn't to say that it won't happen when the time comes, but I don't really think you can make that assertion right now.
 

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Or else what, exactly? Oliver Ross was horrible last season, and so he gets promoted to a starting job? Nick Leckey was solid in the second half of last season, and so he gets demoted without playing a down? How has anyone been held accountable?

This isn't to say that it won't happen when the time comes, but I don't really think you can make that assertion right now.

You're right. We should have just left the O line exactly as it was last year and not made any changes. Once again, mediocrity would be rewarded and we could all say "Same Old Cardinals".

This is how I'd respond to the above post if I was Wiz:

"Sorry, but I've always been of the mind that if something isn't working, you fix it. Maybe my way of fixing it doesn't suit you, but since I'm responsible for the results, I'll fix it the way I see fit."
 

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You're right. We should have just left the O line exactly as it was last year and not made any changes. Once again, mediocrity would be rewarded and we could all say "Same Old Cardinals".

This is how I'd respond to the above post if I was Wiz:

"Sorry, but I've always been of the mind that if something isn't working, you fix it. Maybe my way of fixing it doesn't suit you, but since I'm responsible for the results, I'll fix it the way I see fit."

Oh... I see you've taken my post totally out of context (talking about Whis demanding accountability from his players) and launched a tirade. That's why I put you on my ignore list. Welcome back to it. It was much nicer when you were gone.
 

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Oh... I see you've taken my post totally out of context (talking about Whis demanding accountability from his players) and launched a tirade. That's why I put you on my ignore list. Welcome back to it. It was much nicer when you were gone.

That's what you call a tirade? I don't agree with your assessment, but I'm not allowed to question you on it? Also, how is that totally out of context? You stated unequovically that you didn't like the moves Wiz was making on the O line. It's kinda hard to state that you had any other meaning with the verbage you used. And I thought Cheese was thin skinned.
 

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That's what you call a tirade? I don't agree with your assessment, but I'm not allowed to question you on it? Also, how is that totally out of context? You stated unequovically that you didn't like the moves Wiz was making on the O line. It's kinda hard to state that you had any other meaning with the verbage you used. And I thought Cheese was thin skinned.
40 ingored being put on K9's ignore list. :) :thumbup:
 

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I wish all you weren't such buttheads...I have you all ignored, so I can't read none of this! :mad:
 

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Or else what, exactly? Oliver Ross was horrible last season, and so he gets promoted to a starting job? Nick Leckey was solid in the second half of last season, and so he gets demoted without playing a down? How has anyone been held accountable?

This isn't to say that it won't happen when the time comes, but I don't really think you can make that assertion right now.

1. They knew Ross and put him in front of the #1 draft pick. That doesn't sound too cushy to me.

2. There were problems with the center exchange because of the height of Leckey's butt and Matt being so tall.

3. "This isn't to say that it won't happen when the time comes..." It sounds as if you think it will happen too, but are unwilling to speak that way. No - OBVIOUSLY - we can't be sure until it is demonstrated. However, if it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck and people who know ducks tell me it's a duck, I'll call it a duck until proven otherwise.

Pete
 

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However, if it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck and people who know ducks tell me it's a duck, I'll call it a duck until proven otherwise.

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