Whisenhunt needs a huge reality check

[PDXChris]

No, I clarified that earlier. My use of "run, run, pass" or "run, run, third & long" has always been in reference to the conventional set/predictable playcalling of the base offense that has never functioned well under Whis. It was never intended to be a recounting of the actual plays or sequence in which they were called.

On top of the fact that he proved my point more than disprove it.

Here are the Cards drives yesterday: (red text indicates missing/incorrect info from previous post)
1st Half
* penalty, run, run, pass(third and long) (this drive was left off for some reason)
* run, pass, pass (fumble)
* pass (get 1st down), run, run, pass(third and long), punt
* pass (int)
* run(holding penalty - 1st & 20) pass, pass, pass, punt
* run, pass (get 1st), pass, run, pass, punt

I see 4 of 6 drives that started with a run and another that was run, run, 3rd & long after the drive started with a pass for first down.

Is this Denny Green?

 

[Syracusecards]

Very valid thoughts NSDF. I pretty much have to consider the decision by Whis to be just what you described if I'm to have any peace of mind on the subject. I still don't agree with it because I feel that the pass first mentality used in the Buffalo game wasn't a "bomb's away" mindset, but an alternative extension to a running game. Which I think is what the Cardinals should have as their fulltime offense.

The pro set just seems to bring to the surface too many weaknesses of the offense. Warner doesn't look comfortable, the line doesn't block as well, more sacks, more penalties...just everything.

I'm sure everyone's sick of my point of view on the subject though so I'll drop it. It seems that it's being taken as a condemnation of the big win and I don't want to further spoil everyone's enjoyment by exploring or defending my thoughts on the matter.

I agree in that the Bills game was a lot of passing and it was quick 10 yards slants that moved the chains. This accomplished two things:

1) Get the ball out of Kurts hands so we don't have to worry about the sack/fumble.

2) Set up the run game when we have the 4 wr set b/c the defense can't jump the play b/c they know Kurt's getting it out quickly. Peyton Manning is the perfect example of this and is why Edge was so effective in Indy.

That said, I think Edge's time is up and we need to feed TH more. He reminds me of Edge in his younger days and I think he'd be amazing running out of the spread offense. If opponents want to blitz, send TH out on the screen and watch him pick up another huge gain like he did Sunday.

Running out of the 2 TE bunch formation has not been all that effective for us. Running out of the spread offense where our RB can see the hole and burst through it has.

Plus, as MM said, KW is more comfortable in this formation and if Whiz is cool with having Kurt call the "Check with me's", then we're looking even more like the Indy offense of the last 5+ years.

Believe me, I'm thrilled with yesterdays win, but I could have done without the near heart attack at the end of the game.....

 

[gusmahler]

Here are the Cards drives yesterday: (red text indicates missing/incorrect info from previous post)
1st Half
* penalty, run, run, pass(third and long) (this drive was left off for some reason)
* run, pass, pass (fumble)
* pass (get 1st down), run, run, pass(third and long), punt
* pass (int)
* run(holding penalty - 1st & 20) pass, pass, pass, punt
* run, pass (get 1st), pass, run, pass, punt

I see 4 of 6 drives that started with a run and another that was run, run, 3rd & long after the drive started with a pass for first down.

I accidentally deleted the first drive. But you can't count the run on the 5th drive because it was called off by penalty. If you insist on counting it, you have to indicate that the first drive started with an aborted pass play before it was whistled dead.

And I have no idea why you marked the 3rd drive as incorrect.

 

[moklerman]

I accidentally deleted the first drive. But you can't count the run on the 5th drive because it was called off by penalty. If you insist on counting it, you have to indicate that the first drive started with an aborted pass play before it was whistled dead.

And I have no idea why you marked the 3rd drive as incorrect.

I was going to indicate the examples of what I was talking about but then had to insert the actual first drive, correct the 2nd drive(your first drive), correct the abbreviated 5th drive to show that it was a running play and yes, I would count it because NFL.com clearly lists it as a running play. The false start by Pope I didn't include as a run or pass because there was no play, it was a pre-snap penalty. Even though that further points to the run-first mentality to start the game. 1st & 15 and two consecutive runs are called leaving 3rd and long.

I just thought the correct information should be posted before people decide game, set & match.

 

[gusmahler]

I was going to indicate the examples of what I was talking about but then had to insert the actual first drive, correct the 2nd drive(your first drive), correct the abbreviated 5th drive to show that it was a running play and yes, I would count it because NFL.com clearly lists it as a running play. The false start by Pope I didn't include as a run or pass because there was no play, it was a pre-snap penalty.

You can't count one without counting the other. You can't count one because it fits your criteria but not count the other because it doesn't.

 

[moklerman]

You can't count one without counting the other. You can't count one because it fits your criteria but not count the other because it doesn't.

I was simply going by the play-by-play recap provided by NFL.com. I really don't remember the partial play that was run by the offense before the whistle must have blown. That one play doesn't prove or disprove any part of the argument though. Call it a pass. Your initial recap of the 1st half still had a handful of errors that painted a very different picture than what actually happened.