Whiz faces a dilemma:

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Tell that to the Rams, and the myriad of other teams we have run on this year.

So we cannot run the ball, yet this team is winning dispite Skelton ? Pick a lane here man.

He said effectively enough. There are times when we are effective, (Rams) and times when we aren't (Browns, SF, Pittsburgh)

There are also times when Skelton is effective and times when he isn't. You can't say any part of our offense is consistently effective, outside of Fitzgerald.
 

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He said effectively enough. There are times when we are effective, (Rams) and times when we aren't (Browns, SF, Pittsburgh)

There are also times when Skelton is effective and times when he isn't. You can't say any part of our offense is consistently effective, outside of Fitzgerald.

Fair enough.

Let me put it this way. Put Kolb or Skelton at QB, put Wells at RB. Look at the stats, look at the make up of the entire team, and tell me, what would you focus on ?

Me, personally, and in my humble opinion, the team is built to be run first. Effective or not.
 

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Fair enough.

Let me put it this way. Put Kolb or Skelton at QB, put Wells at RB. Look at the stats, look at the make up of the entire team, and tell me, what would you focus on ?

Me, personally, and in my humble opinion, the team is built to be run first. Effective or not.

I fully agree. Run and play off of the play action with Fitzgerald. I can't wait to see the offense morph into that.
 

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Fair enough.

Let me put it this way. Put Kolb or Skelton at QB, put Wells at RB. Look at the stats, look at the make up of the entire team, and tell me, what would you focus on ?

Me, personally, and in my humble opinion, the team is built to be run first. Effective or not.

We are built to be a run first team, but with inconsistent line play and Wells' nagging injuries, we aren't effective enough at running the ball to go into games and run wild on opposing teams. We are however, good enough to establish the threat of a run game which enables our QB's better looks in the passing game. Personally, that is good enough for me with the defense that we have been playing.
 

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Before I go into what that dilemma is, let me reiterate that Whiz has accomplished what I did not believe he could possibly do. He has reached the .500 mark in wins and losses this season, after starting with one win and six losses. I know that much of this has been due to Horton's new defense, but Whiz hired Horton to do just that, and it worked. That coupled with the emergence of Skelton as a QB has made this team respectable, and a force to be reconned with throughout the league. Whiz deserves his due credit for this.

Now, after 14 games, our record is 7-7. Kolb is on the verge of being healthy enough to return to playing again. Whiz has stated that he hates to see a man lose his starting position because of injury. The dilemma that Whiz now faces is, does he now bench Skelton in order to start Kolb, if Kolb is cleared by the medical staff.

I would agree with Whiz, that it seems unjust to bench a QB just because he suffered an injury. But, (at least in my estimation), there is more to this situation than simply having suffered and injury. First, Kolb has yet to prove that he has truly mastered the QB position. His play, (at game speed when under fire), leaves much to be desired, even at this point. He has yet to show that he can overcome his skittishness when the pressure comes, and step up into the pocket and go through his progressions to find the open receiver. Granted, he has made progress to that end, (and may in fact have been on the verge of proving that very point), when he suffered his injury. But the truth is, that he has not yet proven that the QB job should be given to him.

Skelton, on the other hand, has been given nothing, (least of all the respect that he deserves for having accomplished what no one believed he could), posting a record of 6 wins against only 1 loss over the last 7 games.
Some of these games, he has had to do so the hard way, without getting the practice reps of the starter during the week leading up to the game. He has been unflappable under pressure. He clearly works through his progressions, all the while staying within the pocket until it becomes clear that he needs to move. Even then, he has been successful in using his feet to get him out of trouble as often as not. He has produced a decent, although slightly erratic passing game, (occasionally showing the ability to throw a beautiful long ball). He has been quick to own up to his mistakes, especially to his linemen, a fact that has endeared him to them, as they have had their own problems in the passing game. They seem to understand that, like them, he is giving his very best, ALL the time.

It is my belief that Skelton's performance under fire should be sufficient for him to retain the starting QB position on this team until he is outplayed by someone else. His statistics and his record as a starting QB are far and above those posted by either Kolb or Bartel. When you consider that playoffs are not yet out of the picture, I believe this decision should be a no brainer. Yes, Kolb lost his starting position due to injury. But the facts are that he was given that job. He did little to warrant keeping it, whereas Skelton was given nothing, and has posted the numbers to show that he has earned the starting QB position.

There will be plenty of time, during the upcoming off-season to have Kolb and Skelton compete for the position for next year. That would seem to me to be reasonable and fair, considering there was no real off season this year. But for now, Skelton has earned the starting spot in the lineup. I would hate to see that taken from him and given to an unproven player, injured or not.

I am of the opinion you lose your job when a better guy comes along. Injuries are part of the game. Just because you were a starter before does not guarantee you are a sarter when you come back. You play to win with your best players. Any thing else is not acceptable to the team or the fans. Would Whiz look like an idiot if he starts Kolb and we lose? We are still in the hunt for a playoff spot. You bet he would look like an idiot and would be crucified by the media.
 

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We are not effective enough at running the ball to be a run first team.

We are tied with San Fransisco at 4.2 YPA. If 4.2 YPA is enough for San Fran to be a run first team, it's enough for us to do it.
Cincinnati and Seattle are run first teams and they are at a horrible 3.8 YPA. The Jets are at 3.7. It works for all these teams because their defenses come through. It can work for us if our D continues improving.
 

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There is nothing from the Cardinals organization saying Skelton is ahead of Kolb on the depth chart. The only dilemma is in the fans mind. When Kolb is healthy he will start. This is no disrespect to Skelton. He has done a good job, not great. This is the life of a back-up in the NFL. We are lucky to have two QBs who are quality starters on our roster. Lets leave it at that.

When we win 6 games under Skelton out the 7 we have won I would say that is excellent not just good. So far Kolb has shown no indication he is a "quality starter". In fact just the opposite. He has lost 6 and won 1. His 6 year career is one of being very marginal. I would love to see him turn into a great QB. I have nothing against him but you have to judge him by what you see day in and day out. Aside from all this safety trumps anything so when you are dealing with a concussion you take zero chances just like the Colts announcing Manning is out for the year.
 

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The Cards are 28th in rushing attempts up only 4 spots from last year. That is not a run first team. When Arizona gets into the top half of the league, something that has only happened once this century, instead of being bottom 10 every year then I'll agree.

The Cards actually had more 100 yard games last year through 14 games than they have this season. Even at 90 last year had more. Finally if you can't get your RBs more than 60 yards against the Browns at your house you really aren't a run first team. Yet.

Hard to believe the Cards have finished 30th or lower in rushing attempts 5 times since 2000.
 

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personally I think we're a punt return first offense.

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I am of the opinion you lose your job when a better guy comes along. Injuries are part of the game. Just because you were a starter before does not guarantee you are a sarter when you come back. You play to win with your best players. Any thing else is not acceptable to the team or the fans. Would Whiz look like an idiot if he starts Kolb and we lose? We are still in the hunt for a playoff spot. You bet he would look like an idiot and would be crucified by the media.
Would Whiz look like an idiot if Kolb plays well even if the team loses?
 

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Though not exactly the same, this resembles the Leinart/Kurt situation. The details are slightly different, but ultimately Kurt overcame great odds and the "franchise" guy because he was showing that he was the man in 2007. In 2008, he ultimately won out. And I think that becuase Skelton has put us in the position, not Kolb, he will be the QB this week (and next if we are still alive). Then we see what happens in the offseason.
 

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Would Whiz look like an idiot if Kolb plays well even if the team loses?

Good question.

How many losses are we talkin' about ? No one survives 1-6 in the NFL.
 
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