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Many times over the past year and especially over the past few weeks we've heard pundits and fans claim: "Matt Leinart was never Whiz's guy."

While at the urging and possible insistence from team management Whiz tried to warm up to Leinart---but yesterday's news of Leinart's release confirms the aforementioned speculation.

This is another classic case of team owners and GMs trying to dictate to their head coaches what players they want the coach to play. It's these type of conflicts that create sizeable rifts within an organzation. When Bill Parcells abruptly left the New England Patriots his now infamous Parthian shot was: "If they are going to ask me to cook the meal, they'd better let me shop for the groceries."

Just in the past day there have been two cases that smack of the same scenario: (1) Al Davis vetoed his coaches' unanimous decision to cut 2009 2nd round draft super reach S Mike Mitchell, forcing them to cut Stevie Brown, a rookie whom the coaches and players became immediately enamored with. (2) While Seattle OL guru Alex Gibbs' resignation remains somewhat of a mystery and some are saying Gibbs must be burned out---there has been speculation that Gibbs was not happy with the way personnel decisions were being made. Curious too that on the day he resigned the Seahawks acquired T/G Stacey Andrews.

For those of you who have been watching HBO's Hard Knocks...there was one segment where the Jets' Chairman and CEO, Woody Johnson, is at practice and he asks ST coach Mike Westhoff about a player Woody is very high on and Westhoff in his surly, matter-of-fact no b.s. style says, "he's got all the world of talent, but he can't do sh-- as an NFL player."

The thing is---Woody did not look satisfied with that answer and seemed to practically beg Westhoff to give the kid another look. "OK," Westhoff acquiesced...while turning away with a "I'm wasting my time" look in his eyes.

Another interesting case in point regarding the Jets...there is a segment where Rex Ryan informs the viewers that the Jets' GM Mike Tannenbaum allows him to make one pick in the draft and Ryan proceeds to gloat---and deservedly so---over the the 5th round gem he discovered in FB John "The Terminator" Conner. Ryan says he was watching the film of another player and Connor just jumped off the film at him. "Here was this guy knocking the ever-livin' snot out of people," Ryan exclaims. And then they show footage of Connor doing just that in the Jets' practices and pre-season games. In fact, Ryan and Westhoff designed a little "Terminator" play on the kickoff team where Conner fakes one way and takes an angle to an opponent sprinting down the right hash mark and what you see is Conner hitting the player so hard that he gets airlifted five yards backward right on his keister. The coaches are all yelling and screaming in delight.

It makes you wonder...if Ryan can spot a fifth rounder like this...why don't they have Ryan make every or at least most of the picks? You know, the groceries???!

So how do we really KNOW that Leinart was being forced on Whiz by team management? We don't really know that...do we? Or do we?

The most compelling argument is how on two separate occasions---three years apart---Whiz announces in February that Leinart is the starting QB.

If we know anything about Ken Whisenhunt---we know that he is adamant about creating competition at all positions and that noone is ever "handed a job."

Three years ago, it made little sense to simply appoint Leinart as the starter after Kurt Warner had led the team to a 5-3 record the second half of the season while amassing a gaudy 28 points per game. Putting Leinart in competition with Warner made sense.

This year, based on what we all saw from Leinart last year, there HAD to be considerable doubt as to whether Leinart could cut it as the starting QB in Whiz' system. To simply appoint Leinart as the starting QB---in light of those doubts and Leinart's precarious contract situation (one exacerbated by what had just happen in the similar Antrel Rolle contract situation)---seemed conspicuously pre-mature and frankly unwarranted. Sure Leinart deserved his shot at the job---but to claim he was the clear frontrunner before any other moves were made was very odd---especially from Whiz. Whiz doesn't work that way.

So why did Whiz say all those great things about Leinart? What would you expect him to say about a player that he knows team management has $17M reasons to want to succeed?

It was very meaningful that yesterday Whiz said the decision to release Leinart was not one that was made quickly, but through considerable time. It was no wonder therefore why Whiz seemed very anxious to get something positive out of Derek Anderson in that first pre-season game---which is why Whiz subbed Anderson in as quickly as he could and then stayed with him as long as it took for Anderson to move the team.

Fortunately for Whiz and the team, since that first pre-season game Anderson has been showing signs of being able to move the team.

Yet---the most fortuitous result of what's evolved with the Cardinals' QB situation---and the cause for new-found optimism and excitement---is that Whiz (and Steve Keim) found what looks to be a real gem in 25 year old rookie Max Hall. Isn't it remarkable that Hall is about as opposite of Matt Leinart as one could get. Hall was not a top 10 draft pick, nor was he a Heisman Trophy winner. Hall wasn't even drafted. At the sign of pressure, Hall reacts quickly and decisively. When he passes the ball there is a crisp snap on his throws. When he enters the game the energy level magnifies and even jumps...as does the level of surprise...an lelemnt to Leinart's pro game that has been greatly lacking. Want to bet a "buffalo nickel" on that?

And let's not forget the rookie who is currently the #3. Because of his prototypical size and arm strength, John Skelton looks to have a promising future if and when he can adjust his sizeable skills to the NFL game.

The big difference now is...Whiz doesn't have to worry about team management anymore. Obviously, he was able to convince them that Leinart was not "his guy" and therefore should not be "their guy."

Kudos to team management---this is a very good sign on their part.

Which also means that Whiz can go ahead and play whomever he wants---even if it means turning the keys over to the rookie who apparently was, according to Whiz, "the best QB in camp."

Whiz did a pretty decent job with the last rookie QB he coached---and has a ring to prove it.
 
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It makes sense tho.

You don't give the reigns to a rookie coach right off the bat. It is hard to believe, and easy to forget that this is Whiz's first gig as a coach, and his 4th year as a head coach.

As he is with his players, he had to earn his power in the front office. Every year we will see more and more of Whiz's pure influence on this team, for better or worse.
 

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Mitch - First, the Gibbs resignation may turn out to be the biggest story of the day that no one heard of.

Second, you may be overly idealizing the relationship between Wiz and the Cardinal FO and ownership. (Go through one or two losing seasons in a row and watch Management and the fan-base turn on you like rabid terriors).

Third, the Max Hall situation is kind of like a parent feeling that his kid deserves (& is capable of) driving a car, but the conventional wisdom telling him that "he may not be ready." To feel in your gut that Hall will get the job done if called on to replace Anderson is one thing. But the CW says that you don't make an UDFA rookie your #2 backup for running the entire offense (especially if you feel your team is still good enough to make the playoffs).
 

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Nice write up Mitch. We finally have a coach who has the strength to make tough decisions. I really believe now that Matt was not the guy to lead this team. It might get rough this year but in the long run this was the right move.
 

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"It makes you wonder...if Ryan can spot a fifth rounder like this...why don't they have Ryan make every or at least most of the picks? You know, the groceries???!"

The scouting staff has to winnow through 400+ draft eligible players and figure out which ones are worth it, which fit the team's scheme, etc. They start from scratch every single year.

the Headcoach has the freedom "notice" guys and dig deeper -- free from the responsibility of getting through another 25 players that day. It allows him to spend his free time figuring out if a mid round fullback is worth it.
 

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Many times over the past year and especially over the past few weeks we've heard pundits and fans claim: "Matt Leinart was never Whiz's guy."

While at the urging and possible insistence from team management Whiz tried to warm up to Leinart---but yesterday's news of Leinart's release confirms the aforementioned speculation.

This is another classic case of team owners and GMs trying to dictate to their head coaches what players they want the coach to play. It's these type of conflicts that create sizeable rifts within an organzation. When Bill Parcells abruptly left the New England Patriots his now infamous Parthian shot was: "If they are going to ask me to cook the meal, they'd better let me shop for the groceries."

Just in the past day there have been two cases that smack of the same scenario: (1) Al Davis vetoed his coaches' unanimous decision to cut 2009 2nd round draft super reach S Mike Mitchell, forcing them to cut Stevie Brown, a rookie whom the coaches and players became immediately enamored with. (2) While Seattle OL guru Alex Gibbs' resignation remains somewhat of a mystery and some are saying Gibbs must be burned out---there has been speculation that Gibbs was not happy with the way personnel decisions were being made. Curious too that on the day he resigned the Seahawks acquired T/G Stacey Andrews.

For those of you who have been watching HBO's Hard Knocks...there was one segment where the Jets' Chairman and CEO, Woody Johnson, is at practice and he asks ST coach Mike Westhoff about a player Woody is very high on and Westhoff in his surly, matter-of-fact no b.s. style says, "he's got all the world of talent, but he can't do sh-- as an NFL player."

The thing is---Woody did not look satisfied with that answer and seemed to practically beg Westhoff to give the kid another look. "OK," Westhoff acquiesced...while turning away with a "I'm wasting my time" look in his eyes.

Another interesting case in point regarding the Jets...there is a segment where Rex Ryan informs the viewers that the Jets' GM Mike Tannenbaum allows him to make one pick in the draft and Ryan proceeds to gloat---and deservedly so---over the the 5th round gem he discovered in FB John "The Terminator" Conner. Ryan says he was watching the film of another player and Connor just jumped off the film at him. "Here was this guy knocking the ever-livin' snot out of people," Ryan exclaims. And then they show footage of Connor doing just that in the Jets' practices and pre-season games. In fact, Ryan and Westhoff designed a little "Terminator" play on the kickoff team where Conner fakes one way and takes an angle to an opponent sprinting down the right hash mark and what you see is Conner hitting the player so hard that he gets airlifted five yards backward right on his keister. The coaches are all yelling and screaming in delight.

It makes you wonder...if Ryan can spot a fifth rounder like this...why don't they have Ryan make every or at least most of the picks? You know, the groceries???!

So how do we really KNOW that Leinart was being forced on Whiz by team management? We don't really know that...do we? Or do we?

The most compelling argument is how on two separate occasions---three years apart---Whiz announces in February that Leinart is the starting QB.

If we know anything about Ken Whisenhunt---we know that he is adamant about creating competition at all positions and that noone is ever "handed a job."

Three years ago, it made little sense to simply appoint Leinart as the starter after Kurt Warner had led the team to a 5-3 record the second half of the season while amassing a gaudy 28 points per game. Putting Leinart in competition with Warner made sense.

This year, based on what we all saw from Leinart last year, there HAD to be considerable doubt as to whether Leinart could cut it as the starting QB in Whiz' system. To simply appoint Leinart as the starting QB---in light of those doubts and Leinart's precarious contract situation (one exacerbated by what had just happen in the similar Antrel Rolle contract situation)---seemed conspicuously pre-mature and frankly unwarranted. Sure Leinart deserved his shot at the job---but to claim he was the clear frontrunner before any other moves were made was very odd---especially from Whiz. Whiz doesn't work that way.

So why did Whiz say all those great things about Leinart? What would you expect him to say about a player that he knows team management has $17M reasons to want to succeed?

It was very meaningful that yesterday Whiz said the decision to release Leinart was not one that was made quickly, but through considerable time. It was no wonder therefore why Whiz seemed very anxious to get something positive out of Derek Anderson in that first pre-season game---which is why Whiz subbed Anderson in as quickly as he could and then stayed with him as long as it took for Anderson to move the team.

Fortunately for Whiz and the team, since that first pre-season game Anderson has been showing signs of being able to move the team.

Yet---the most fortuitous result of what's evolved with the Cardinals' QB situation---and the cause for new-found optimism and excitement---is that Whiz (and Steve Keim) found what looks to be a real gem in 25 year old rookie Max Hall. Isn't it remarkable that Hall is about as opposite of Matt Leinart as one could get. Hall was not a top 10 draft pick, nor was he a Heisman Trophy winner. Hall wasn't even drafted. At the sign of pressure, Hall reacts quickly and decisively. When he passes the ball there is a crisp snap on his throws. When he enters the game the energy level magnifies and even jumps...as does the level of surprise...an lelemnt to Leinart's pro game that has been greatly lacking. Want to bet a "buffalo nickel" on that?

And let's not forget the rookie who is currently the #3. Because of his prototypical size and arm strength, John Skelton looks to have a promising future if and when he can adjust his sizeable skills to the NFL game.

The big difference now is...Whiz doesn't have to worry about team management anymore. Obviously, he was able to convince them that Leinart was not "his guy" and therefore should not be "their guy."

Kudos to team management---this is a very good sign on their part.

Which also means that Whiz can go ahead and play whomever he wants---even if it means turning the keys over to the rookie who apparently was, according to Whiz, "the best QB in camp."

Whiz did a pretty decent job with the last rookie QB he coached---and has a ring to prove it.

Ya know Mitch... I would value this post (which I believe to be spot on) much more if you hadn't penned a hatchet job of way Whiz handled Matty just a few days ago... you're an odd one to figure out. :bang:
 

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You are probably right Mitch. The decision to release Leinart was made well before the first pre season game. I can actually pinpoint about the time it was made for you. Darnell Dockett twittered that he has a really big surprise for people that he could not tell. I believe at that point the decision was made that Leinart had to go. Probably the FO had been for keeping Matt until that point. (pure speculation) What we do know is that during the course of the neotiations that Whiz got involved and sided with DD. It figures that the FO realized from the kind of numbers that were on the table that they had to relax their stand on keeping Leinart but told Whiz that he had to make it look like Leinart was failing in order to cut him. They did not want the bad press from releasing a #10 pick because of what it might do for potential ticket sales. So Whiz gets his slickster suit out and does his very best performance to make Matt look bad. Have no doubt the Whiz is a slickster! That is one reason he has been so very successful with the Cards. His number one priority is to make sure that Matt is not allowed to get in any kind of consistency in the first couple of games so he can make him second string. After that the rest is easy, you don't treat your starting qb the way that Matt was treated in the first game. You treat him the way that DA was treated. You give him the opportunity to get something positive.
 
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Ya know Mitch... I would value this post (which I believe to be spot on) much more if you hadn't penned a hatchet job of way Whiz handled Matty just a few days ago... you're an odd one to figure out. :bang:

82:

What I was saying a few days ago was that Whiz should not have prolonged the matter. However, was it Whiz's decision to hold out to the last minute too see if they could trade Leinart or was it management's? If it was management's then Whiz is off the hook.

Put it this way...if there was any chance of trading Leinart it was thoroughly dashed by what teams saw in the game this past week. They shouldn't have played him---especially in light of how the Bears' game was about as good as it was going to get for Leinart.

In the end, Whiz handled the situation well. He was very classy yesterday
...it's just too bad the move wasn't made sooner.
 

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Many times over the past year and especially over the past few weeks we've heard pundits and fans claim: "Matt Leinart was never Whiz's guy."


Whiz did a pretty decent job with the last rookie QB he coached---and has a ring to prove it.


Great non- emotional piece Mitch...by the way where did the Big Tuna shop??
Although a sarcastic guy, he walked the talk wherever he went and showed as much respect for the ability of the beat writers stupid questions as I would.
 

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Great piece - two comments:

1. If Matt had shown the type of leadership qualities that Whiz wanted in the pre-season, I think he is still on the team as the starter.

2. When we cut Edge and started essentially 3 raw RBs after a Super Bowl run, I though that maybe the FO was cheap, but now I think Whiz is just a high risk kind of coach. The talent is there but not the experience, so let's try with what we have...and I think this explains our QB situation this year - high risk, high rewards. Which also may be why his strong interest in a gunner like Anderson.
 

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82:

What I was saying a few days ago was that Whiz should not have prolonged the matter. However, was it Whiz's decision to hold out to the last minute too see if they could trade Leinart or was it management's? If it was management's then Whiz is off the hook.

Put it this way...if there was any chance of trading Leinart it was thoroughly dashed by what teams saw in the game this past week. They shouldn't have played him---especially in light of how the Bears' game was about as good as it was going to get for Leinart.

In the end, Whiz handled the situation well. He was very classy yesterday
...it's just too bad the move wasn't made sooner.

This has been my point throughout this entire soap opera... Seeing all of the attacks on Whiz, claiming it was his ego that created this mess and that he had some sort of twisted vendetta aginst Matty... disappointing to say the least.
Again, Whiz isn't perfect and he will make mistakes. When you are a leader and your job is to make hundreds of decisions, you are bound to get one wrong every now and then. However, to question Whiz's character? To paint a picture that he cares more about himself than he does for the team?? I wonder exactly what these people have been watching for the past 2 decades as this franchise, perhaps in all its' history, has never had a leader who possessed the combination of character, resolve and consistency, along with an ability to form a unit that in the end puts up more W's than L's. Incredible...
 
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Mitch - First, the Gibbs resignation may turn out to be the biggest story of the day that no one heard of.

Second, you may be overly idealizing the relationship between Wiz and the Cardinal FO and ownership. (Go through one or two losing seasons in a row and watch Management and the fan-base turn on you like rabid terriors).

Third, the Max Hall situation is kind of like a parent feeling that his kid deserves (& is capable of) driving a car, but the conventional wisdom telling him that "he may not be ready." To feel in your gut that Hall will get the job done if called on to replace Anderson is one thing. But the CW says that you don't make an UDFA rookie your #2 backup for running the entire offense (especially if you feel your team is still good enough to make the playoffs).

Jeff:

You may have to get used to the thought that Whiz---while he talks conservatively at times as coaches are wont to do---is a creative genius and is apt to pull aces out of his sleeve when everyone thinks he's holding a pair of twos.

I will bet you a buffalo nickel that Whiz actually considered starting Max Hall versus the Redskins---and had they played their starters, I think he would have been all the more interested to see what Hall could do versus the starters. But seeing as the Redskins were starting their 2nd team anyway, it was somewhat moot.

And...I am sure that Whiz wants to keep the focus on Anderson right now---and he has been impressed with the progress Anderson is making.

But---here's what I would expect from Whiz regarding his desire to assimilate Hall into the team's plans:

(1) Whiz will put in a package for Hall---probably a red zone package---and if and when the time comes, he will run Hall into the game.

(2) If the team needs a boost or a jump start, Whiz will turn to Hall.

Thus...the hope is that Anderson plays well and moves the team...but if he doesn't, Whiz will see that as a good opportunity to play Hall. At this point, Whiz doesn't care about a QB controversy. Anderson is too new to the team for people to make that big a deal out of it. I could see him starting Anderson and coming in with Hall the way he did with Leinart and Warner the first year. That was a creative move that defied conventional protocol, wasn't it?
 

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This has been my point throughout this entire soap opera... Seeing all of the attacks on Whiz, claiming it was his ego that created this mess and that he had some sort of twisted vendetta aginst Matty... disappointing to say the least.
Again, Whiz isn't perfect and he will make mistakes. When you are a leader and your job is to make hundreds of decisions, you are bound to get one wrong every now and then. However, to question Whiz's character? To paint a picture that he cares more about himself than he does for the team?? I wonder exactly what these people have been watching for the past 2 decades as this franchise, perhaps in all its' history, has never had a leader who possessed the combination of character, resolve and consistency, along with an ability to form a unit that in the end puts up more W's than L's. Incredible...

Whis came in with little experience running a team. The vets recognized this and Whis stepped back from play calling and let Warner and Haley run the offense. We went to a Super Bowl. Several Vets were thrown under the bus during the run. Last season Kurt Warner was allowed to change plays when ever it was needed which he felt was a lot. We won a division and a playoff game. To Whis credit he reconized Kurt was capable of doing these things. This all led to a new contract for Whis and he now is not threatened by his financial future so he is free to make the changes he sees fit to make and not worry about losing his job.He gets paid either way. Matt just happened to be one of those even if he was backed by Management that had to go. Not because he was a terrible Qb but because he didn't fit Whis's offense. They had to dumb down the play book because the guy wouldn't or couldn't make the effort to learn it. Basically this coach failed at coaching him up. I feel the lack of allowing himself to be coached up stems from the transition between who drafted Matt and the new coach. He saw how his friends were treated( Edge, Boldin,) and felt the double standard in how Fitz and Warner were treated. There was definitly a divide and now Whis has eliminated it for good or bad. Now Whis has to stand on his own two feet as the leader of this team. The jury is still out on how this will play out. I can see the mistrust the old guard had in Whis but those guys are mostly gone now. He will go with character guys like Fitz, AW, DD and hopefully continue to win in a tough league. I will support him but always have in the back of my mind a small seed of doubt. Maybe he was just in a tough spot and had to handle things like he did with DG players so he could be more fully in charge who knows. He now has to do it with mostly his guys and as they say WINNING CURES EVERYTHING.
 

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82:

What I was saying a few days ago was that Whiz should not have prolonged the matter. However, was it Whiz's decision to hold out to the last minute too see if they could trade Leinart or was it management's? If it was management's then Whiz is off the hook.

Put it this way...if there was any chance of trading Leinart it was thoroughly dashed by what teams saw in the game this past week. They shouldn't have played him---especially in light of how the Bears' game was about as good as it was going to get for Leinart.

In the end, Whiz handled the situation well. He was very classy yesterday
...it's just too bad the move wasn't made sooner.

Come on Mitch. You know we shouldn't be entering the season with Anderson at QB. We could have done much better if this was handled properly. McNabb, Campbell or Bulger and I feel much better about the start to this season.
 

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82:

What I was saying a few days ago was that Whiz should not have prolonged the matter. However, was it Whiz's decision to hold out to the last minute too see if they could trade Leinart or was it management's? If it was management's then Whiz is off the hook.

Put it this way...if there was any chance of trading Leinart it was thoroughly dashed by what teams saw in the game this past week. They shouldn't have played him---especially in light of how the Bears' game was about as good as it was going to get for Leinart.

In the end, Whiz handled the situation well. He was very classy yesterday
...it's just too bad the move wasn't made sooner.

Mitch, for all we know they have been trying to trade him for months.

Another possibility is that Wiz saw talent there and wanted to try and give him one last chance to get his head straight given that there weren't many options that he wanted during the off season [key being that he wanted not were available eg McNabb].

At this point I don't buy the idea of MB forcing anything on Wiz, he has too much credibility.
 

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Come on Mitch. You know we shouldn't be entering the season with Anderson at QB. We could have done much better if this was handled properly. McNabb, Campbell or Bulger and I feel much better about the start to this season.

You might like those options better but it seems Wiz didn't
 

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Mitch, for all we know they have been trying to trade him for months.

Another possibility is that Wiz saw talent there and wanted to try and give him one last chance to get his head straight given that there weren't many options that he wanted during the off season [key being that he wanted not were available eg McNabb].

At this point I don't buy the idea of MB forcing anything on Wiz, he has too much credibility.

Sorry, not in today's media climate. Word would have leaked.
 

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Basically Whis is not saying Matt can't be a good Qb. He is saying that Matt was to devisive while on the bench and that the players wouldn't play hard for him after all of what went on. Even afte Matt worked hard all offseason by all accounts and took his Olineman on vacation to get some unity. I say the chemistry should have been determined on the field in the first 6 games. Winning brings commraderie and respect. This chance was never given. It should have been in a transition year. We now have to hope we Win and it all takes care of itself. Get behind DA and Miracle Max or a vet.
 

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Sorry, not in today's media climate. Word would have leaked.

True enough but then I came up with another possibility as well.

I think he has talent just doesn't [atm] the mindset to use it
 
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Come on Mitch. You know we shouldn't be entering the season with Anderson at QB. We could have done much better if this was handled properly. McNabb, Campbell or Bulger and I feel much better about the start to this season.

You are taking my remarks to 82 out of context, PJ.

We were talking about how Whiz handled Leinart the last two weeks. My point was then and is still now---it was sad to see him die a slow death out there, when it was clear to everyone that he was a lame duck. Holdingon to him right up to the last minute to see if they could scratch a 6th or 7th rounder for him---and prolonging the media frenzy, etc. was, IMO, avoidable and regretable...especially when we all knew that with ML's contract, no one was going to trade for him.

As for way back when, if you recall I was one of the noisiest posters here who was clamouring for McNabb and Campbell...so we are in full agreement there. It's still mind-boggling that the management didn't make a stronger move to acquire a veteran QB. No question.
 
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You might like those options better but it seems Wiz didn't

Nidan: it was management who pushed ML as the starter and thus were not willing to pay the price for another legitiamte starting QB, figuring they already had one in ML.

If the decision were truly Whiz's, that may have been a far different story.
 

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Come on Mitch. You know we shouldn't be entering the season with Anderson at QB. We could have done much better if this was handled properly. McNabb, Campbell or Bulger and I feel much better about the start to this season.
Someone else brought up this point and I agree - The Cardinals and Whisenhunt were genuine in their desire to give Matt a chance and give him the best atmosphere to succeed. Bringing in McNabb, Campbell or Bulger would have immediately started a controversy. Anderson's signing was accepted as a back up signing. There was no controversy until Whiz caused it due to Matt's inability to take the job and run. This probably wasn't the right decision, but I don't think that this choice was as clear as the nose on Coach's face.
 
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Someone else brought up this point and I agree - The Cardinals and Whisenhunt were genuine in their desire to give Matt a chance and give him the best atmosphere to succeed. Bringing in McNabb, Campbell or Bulger would have immediately started a controversy. Anderson's signing was accepted as a back up signing. There was no controversy until Whiz caused it due to Matt's inability to take the job and run. This probably wasn't the right decision, but I don't think that this choice was as clear as the nose on Coach's face.

That's exactly right, earthsci...at least that's what team management wanted...as for Whiz, that's most likely a different story.

One of Whiz's flaws may be that he tries to be a team player with management at times to the detriment of the team...as in accepting Clancy Pendergast as his DC...and agreeing to announce ML as the starter TWICE.

Whiz just signed his new contract so he was probably feeling as if he owed it to the Bidwills and Rod to give it his best shot with Leinart.

The point of no return, IMO, was the Red & White scrimmage where ML did not move the offense and was overthrowing everyone...while Anderson and Hall led TD drives and provided a spark.
 

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