Whiz really thinks he is smarter than everyone else

[Duckjake]

I understand you and most everyone else is frustrated with the coaching, but to try and make opinions as facts like the bold is absurd. Did it ever cross your mind that maybe Warner retired because at the time, he was 39 years-old, had suffered multiple injuries in his last season, and his wife encouraged him to do so? Sounds more logical (and factual) to me.

Also, please stop blaming Whiz for Leinart's transgressions. Leinart didn't succeed because Leinart was not dedicated to his craft and was not willing to compete for his job. Add to that his plethora of injuries, particularly to his collar bone. My God, this sounds like the assertion that Whiz was to blame for Lutui being fat, as if he shoved donuts and fried chicken down his throat against his will.

Come on, people. I know the situation is hard to comprehend and we're finding ourselves doubting our leadership, but stop with the absurdities.

I do blame CKW and staff for thinking Rex Hadnot and Adam Snyder were adequate replacements for Lutui and that Max Hall and Dereck Anderson and John Skelton were adequate replacements for Matt Leinart.

We had two guys who were bums and replaced them with guys who are even bigger bums.

Oh well at least Massie looks like a more than adequate replacement for Brandon Keith and Jeremy Bridges at RT.

 

[Jetstream Green]

He's also only 4 losses away from being the losingest coach in franchise history. Only Jim Hanifan lost more games as a Cardinal HC.

Hard to believe that when CKW returns next season he will have coached the Cardinals longer than any other HC in the 82 years the franchise has been playing NFL football.

And look at Brett Favre with his interceptions and touchdowns. That is a skewed stat because one has to be around long enough to generate such a large amount of negative stats and to do so, you have to be doing something right to stay around

 

[Buckybird]

I looked it up and here are the next QB's off the board after the Cards pick during the Whisenhunt years.

2012-Brandon Weeden
2011-Jake Locker, Peterson was the no brainer choice for the Cards.
2010-Jimmy Clausen
2009-Pat White
2008-Joe Flacco: small school guy
2007-Brady Quinn

I think Whiz/Cards made the right choice in not taking the next selected QB every year.

I agree nobody great has really been available outside of Flacco.

But I did repeatedly say that the Cards should've at least offered three #1s & three #2s to the Colts & Rams. All. They could've said was no...or even yes! The price would've been worth it, though most on this board think otherwise

 

[Buckybird]

I'm thinking Clif believes he's smarter than all of us including Wiz

 

[Duckjake]

And look at Brett Favre with his interceptions and touchdowns. That is a skewed stat because one has to be around long enough to generate such a large amount of negative stats and to do so, you have to be doing something right to stay around

Especially with the Cardinals who change Head Coaches like most people change shirts.

However, CKW has dropped to 4th among Cardinal Head Coaches with more than 2 seasons at the helm now trailing Coryell .609, Charley Winner, .538,and Wally Lemm .509. CKW is now at .489

 

[Jetstream Green]

I'm thinking Clif believes he's smarter than all of us including Wiz

But he is, we just don't realize it because WE ARE NOT SMART

 

[Duckjake]

But he is, we just don't realize it because WE ARE NOT SMART

Yes we are. Didn't we tell the Cards they needed to draft Sam Acho? They do and when he finally starts at OLB the Cards go from a bottom 10 defense to a top 10 defense.

 

[LarryStalling]

If he is smarter, I just wish that he would prove it.

 

[Buckybird]

If he is smarter, I just wish that he would prove it.

We as fans just think we know NFL football. 99% of us fans don't know jack squat about the NFL game, these guys have been doing this a longgg time. Shut down the fans message boards & let's hear the coaches take over these websites. Lol

 

[Jetstream Green]

Yes we are. Didn't we tell the Cards they needed to draft Sam Acho? They do and when he finally starts at OLB the Cards go from a bottom 10 defense to a top 10 defense.

And we must do everything in our burnt orange blood to make sure they draft Gray at running back when his time comes to enter the draft

 

[kerouac9]

I don't think that Whis believes that he's smarter than anyone else, but I think that he doesn't really understand the quarterback position in general, and the quarterback position in the NFL in particular.

Listen to his Monday presser, and it becomes pretty clear that he believes that the quarterback position is just like any of the other 10 positions on the offense. The accountability for John Skelton is no different than the accountability for Michael Floyd.

This is why I think that he'll be unable to find an answer to the quarterback position for the Arizona Cardinals, and why he'll eventually be released from his contract as the head coach. The quarterback position is just different at this level.

 

[Mulli]

I don't think that Whis believes that he's smarter than anyone else, but I think that he doesn't really understand the quarterback position in general, and the quarterback position in the NFL in particular.

Listen to his Monday presser, and it becomes pretty clear that he believes that the quarterback position is just like any of the other 10 positions on the offense. The accountability for John Skelton is no different than the accountability for Michael Floyd.

This is why I think that he'll be unable to find an answer to the quarterback position for the Arizona Cardinals, and why he'll eventually be released from his contract as the head coach. The quarterback position is just different at this level.

Accountability is accountability?

 

[splitsecond]

I do wish we had taken Weeden.

 

[Buckybird]

I do wish we had taken Weeden.

Why? He's pretty terrible, just slightly better than Skelton.

 

[Mulli]

Why? He's pretty terrible, just slightly better than Skelton.

Made some nice throws Sunday. Even to a tight end.

 

[Buckybird]

Made some nice throws Sunday. Even to a tight end.

I saw Skelton make a few nice throws up close & personal 2 weeks ago in GB too

 

[kerouac9]

Accountability is accountability?

No. I don't think that's the case at the quarterback position. The step down from any starting quarterback to the next guy behind him on the depth chart is more drastic than any other position on the football field. If you yank a QB, you really can't go back to him unless it's under pretty remarkable circumstances.

Maybe there are teams that are successful that have a rotating cast of clowns at QB, but Whis can't say that he pulled Skelton for accountability purposes and then say that he's going to play the guy who gives us the best chance to win.

Starting Ryan Lindley gives us zero chance to win. That guy isn't good. He's not worse than Max Hall--who is the worst quarterback that I've ever seen--but he seemed worse to me than what I remember from Richard Bartel two years ago.

 

[BigRedFan]

And look at Brett Favre with his interceptions and touchdowns. That is a skewed stat because one has to be around long enough to generate such a large amount of negative stats and to do so, you have to be doing something right to stay around

Also, Jim Hanifan had 3 straight winning seasons, the only coach other than Coryell to do so since 1950.

 

[Buckybird]

Also, Jim Hanifan had 3 straight winning seasons, the only coach other than Coryell to do so since 1950.

Yeah but he only made the playoffs once, the 1982 strike year
I still believe that '84 team could've made a run at the Super Bowl because nobody had an answer to stop Roy Green that year...but we had Neil O'Donoghue

 

[Duckjake]

Yeah but he only made the playoffs once, the 1982 strike year
I still believe that '84 team could've made a run at the Super Bowl because nobody had an answer to stop Roy Green that year...but we had Neil O'Donoghue

Missed in '84 on like the 3rd tiebreaker with the Giants and missed in '83 because of that horrendous Monday Night tie with the Giants.

 

[Paso Fino]

I do not think Whiz is temperamentally suited to be a head coach. Think back to the negative comments he made about individual players. I think he has quarterbacks scared of making a mistake which results in their lack of confidence and more mistakes.

 

[clif]

I understand you and most everyone else is frustrated with the coaching, but to try and make opinions as facts like the bold is absurd. Did it ever cross your mind that maybe Warner retired because at the time, he was 39 years-old, had suffered multiple injuries in his last season, and his wife encouraged him to do so? Sounds more logical (and factual) to me.

Also, please stop blaming Whiz for Leinart's transgressions. Leinart didn't succeed because Leinart was not dedicated to his craft and was not willing to compete for his job. Add to that his plethora of injuries, particularly to his collar bone. My God, this sounds like the assertion that Whiz was to blame for Lutui being fat, as if he shoved donuts and fried chicken down his throat against his will.

Come on, people. I know the situation is hard to comprehend and we're finding ourselves doubting our leadership, but stop with the absurdities.

Ok so you disagree with my take on Warner. Please tell me exactly why my OPINION is absurd? We've all heard the other valid reasons for him to walk away from the game. Duh. I get that. That was never in doubt.

Perhaps maybe you should open your mind to the idea that... hey maybe there were additional reasons why Warner walked away from 20 to 25 million a year. Perhaps there is another reason why Kurt got on a plane headed to San Fran before re-signing in Arizona. Maybe there are other reasons why Todd Haley didn't come back as OC. Maybe there are other reasons why Leinart failed. Hey. I've already stated that Leinart ultimately failed because of his own shortcomings. Maybe you were too busy typing a response to me that you might have missed that part of my post.

 

[Mitch]

I do not think Whiz is temperamentally suited to be a head coach. Think back to the negative comments he made about individual players. I think he has quarterbacks scared of making a mistake which results in their lack of confidence and more mistakes.

I agree, Paso Fino. Just Whisenhunt's indecision as to which QB should start going back to the Leinart/Warner juggles tells us that the guy really doesn't understand how to coach QBs.

All 7 QBs in CKW's system since Warner retired have played with the same fear of making mistakes...and all of them have looked horrible at times...and not just for one series.

People want to just say the QBs suck---but it is the coach's job to prepare the QBs mentally, physically and emotionally for the games...and that aint been happening for far too long and with far too many choices.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

I agree, Paso Fino. Just Whisenhunt's indecision as to which QB should start going back to the Leinart/Warner juggles tells us that the guy really doesn't understand how to coach QBs.

All 7 QBs in CKW's system since Warner retired have played with the same fear of making mistakes...and all of them have looked horrible at times...and not just for one series.

People want to just say the QBs suck---but it is the coach's job to prepare the QBs mentally, physically and emotionally for the games...and that aint been happening for far too long and with far too many choices.

So the guy who said that Whiz had lost the dressing room now agrees once more supported with nothing more than your peculiar bias; quel surprise!

 

[LarryStalling]

I agree, Paso Fino. Just Whisenhunt's indecision as to which QB should start going back to the Leinart/Warner juggles tells us that the guy really doesn't understand how to coach QBs.

All 7 QBs in CKW's system since Warner retired have played with the same fear of making mistakes...and all of them have looked horrible at times...and not just for one series.

People want to just say the QBs suck---but it is the coach's job to prepare the QBs mentally, physically and emotionally for the games...and that aint been happening for far too long and with far too many choices.

Mitch, I will take it one step further. I think it behooves the coach to get a qb capable of running his system or tailor his system to fit his personnel. It amazes me how he put tackles on an island that were and are fit for a running offense, and to borrow a line from THESMEL, and passes like his hair is on fire. He signs qb's that are accustomed moving the ball down field, but expects them to be the kings of dink and dunk with the playcalling. He is forced into the d&d because he refuses to support his tackles adequatelly. He just amazes me.