Whiz to DC?

[EndZone]

I hope Whiz goes to DC.....cause I am a Lions fan too and I absolutely hate him.

 

[overseascardfan]

After what I read about Robert Griffin on SI today, I don't know why any coach would want to take the WAS job. The article I read said Griffin went from a well spoken, humble coach's dream to a spoiled, egotistical jerk who blamed teammates and bragged about to players about how he could get what he wanted from Dan Snyder to include an offense he wants to run instead of one a coach wants him to run which makes it look like he had a role/say in the Shanahan firing.

 

[PACardsFan]

After what I read about Robert Griffin on SI today, I don't know why any coach would want to take the WAS job. The article I read said Griffin went from a well spoken, humble coach's dream to a spoiled, egotistical jerk who blamed teammates and bragged about to players about how he could get what he wanted from Dan Snyder to include an offense he wants to run instead of one a coach wants him to run which makes it look like he had a role/say in the Shanahan firing.

The reality is that he was NEVER a humble, coach's dream. Welcome to the world of PC in the sports media. I hate the Skins & pray that Whiz doesn't take that job. I just don't think he needs to be desperate enough to have to work for someone like Snyder. Add the RG3 factor & Whiz won't go near that job.

 

[Shane]

didn't he win 7 games with Kolb and Skelton at QB? That's considered a plus in my book.

I don't remember exactly but wouldn't they have made the playoffs if Andre Roberts didn't trip over the goal line and made the catch? And that's with JOhn "I can't make another roster" Skelton at QB.

Good post. The tripper was Early Doucet FYI.

 

[AZ Native]

I guess from what I am reading Whiz never had an offensive coordinator or a quarterback's coach while here?

 

[CardNots]

The tripper was Early Doucet FYI.

Nice work, you beat me to this response as you are correct. He catches that famous pass and he would be still here.

 

[Austin Zonie]

Nice work, you beat me to this response as you are correct. He catches that famous pass and he would be still here.

And maybe Whiz, too.


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[splitsecond]

I guess from what I am reading Whiz never had an offensive coordinator or a quarterback's coach while here?

Straw men

 

[Stout]

RGIII needs intensive development and precise QB tutelage. That is certainly not Whiz's strength. Quite the opposite. He'd be a disaster in Washington. Detroit, on the other hand, would be the perfect fit for him. I think it's the only vacancy he'd have a real shot at succeeding at, honestly.

 

[CtCardinals78]

You conveniently left out that the Cards also added a NFL caliber QB, which is the more telling thing.

I like Arians but people that think Whiz can't coach are just plain wrong. How good a coach was John Fox when he was throwing Delhomme(the Int machine version) and Clausen out there.

Rod Graves is the reason for the Cards rapid fall. The Cards may have lacked leadership but that's because Graves let the main team leaders, at least defensivley, leave all within one day in Dansby and Rolle. Then Warner retires and there was a serious leadership vacuum. Even Arians said the players themselves will determine how good the team is.

No I didn't leave that out. Whisenhunt's failure to acquire a good quarterback in the three years he was coach since Warner retired if a huge failure. Pure and simple. It's not like there weren't opportunities to find a competent quart back, which is all the Cardinals needed. The NFC West was awful. The Seahawks won the division at 7-9.

There are also people who are willing to crown Whisenhunt as a good coach simply because he led the Cardinals to the Super Bowl...with a talent laden roster. When it was his show he and his staff along with Rod Graves proved that they could not coach this team. Maybe it will be different next shot he gets and I hope it is as I like him, but at the end of the day he was not a good coach or good fit for the Arizona Cardinals save for two years.

And while the 2010 draft class was horrible for QB and you could argue that in 2011 Peterson should have been the pick how in the world do you explain sitting at the top of the second round in position to draft Andy Dalton and Colin Kaepernick and not move up to get one of those two. This is the same crew that moved up in the second round to pick Alan Branch for crying out loud. But no, I guess John Skelton and a back up QB from Philly with an injury history were good enough.

 

[CtCardinals78]

Exactly! Years from now, we will look back & realize what a great HC Ken Whisenhunt was. 2 Division titles, 4 playoff wins, and a SB birth. 100 years will pass & NO future Cardinal coach will touch that!

Exaggerate much? If that is really how you feel then why bother even rooting for this team?

 

[AZ Native]

Straw men

Not buying it.
sorry

 

[jmt]

Everyone wants to place Whiz in Detroit. While having Stafford in place certainly helps, Detroit is about the most undisciplined team in the league. I don't see Whiz as the type of coach who can get these punks to suddenly follow the rules and play disciplined football.

Washington is not diciplined either. Personally I think Lions are a better team and better fit for Whiz. Plus they play the Cardinals almost every year so you guys in Phoenix can boo him.

 

[CtCardinals78]

Rod Graves is the reason for the Cards rapid fall. The Cards may have lacked leadership but that's because Graves let the main team leaders, at least defensivley, leave all within one day in Dansby and Rolle. Then Warner retires and there was a serious leadership vacuum. Even Arians said the players themselves will determine how good the team is.

So the flip side of that coin would be that since Graves was with the Cardinals when all those players signed even before Whisenhunt he (Graves) is also the reason for the Cardinals rapid rise to success, right?

 

[Cheesebeef]

No I didn't leave that out. Whisenhunt's failure to acquire a good quarterback in the three years he was coach since Warner retired if a huge failure. Pure and simple. It's not like there weren't opportunities to find a competent quart back, which is all the Cardinals needed. The NFC West was awful. The Seahawks won the division at 7-9.

There are also people who are willing to crown Whisenhunt as a good coach simply because he led the Cardinals to the Super Bowl...with a talent laden roster. When it was his show he and his staff along with Rod Graves proved that they could not coach this team. Maybe it will be different next shot he gets and I hope it is as I like him, but at the end of the day he was not a good coach or good fit for the Arizona Cardinals save for two years.

man...this is just complete revisionist thinking. He took a 5 win team and made them an 8 win team in year 1. That's a good season. He went to the Super Bowl and the Divisional Playoffs in years 2 and 3. Those are GREAT seasons. He coached an awful team in year 4. Then somehow took a team with NO QB to 8 wins again in year 5, which everyone at the time thought was pretty much a miracle. And then we were awful again in year 6. That's 4 solid years with two awful ones.

Dude could not find a QB to save his life...that is without a doubt true, but if he's gonna get the blame for that, shouldn't he get the credit for putting together the insane trifecta of talent on Defense that he he found with PP, Campbell and Washington, which are and have been the key building blocks for a great defense?

 

[Cheesebeef]

didn't he win 7 games with Kolb and Skelton at QB? That's considered a plus in my book.

even more ridiculous...he won 8 games with that garbage.

he's not the best coach in the world, but he's a solid HC and if he has a good QB, I think he's shown the ability to take that guy and get the max out of his abilities.

 

[freebyrd]

Indy went from 10+ years of playoffs to the first pick of the draft when they lost their franchise QB.

Even more weird.

if ever there was a case for tanking the season for the draft of a franchise quarterback indies situation after manning left was it,

i want to say it took a lot of guts to just reconcile losing in order to draft luck but it seems like a chicken**** thing to do to the fans, especially season ticket holders, but its paying off now

case in point for us would have been to call a running play or bubble screen on the mccown to poole pass that knocked us out of the number one overall pick


maybe we take manning and flip it for rivers like san diego did, who knows ,
but all in all i think we're on the right track now with ownership and a front office and coaching staff that knows how to play the game and reload on the run, which is the alternative to tanking now for the future

go cards

 

[Shane]

man...this is just complete revisionist thinking. He took a 5 win team and made them an 8 win team in year 1. That's a good season. He went to the Super Bowl and the Divisional Playoffs in years 2 and 3. Those are GREAT seasons. He coached an awful team in year 4. Then somehow took a team with NO QB to 8 wins again in year 5, which everyone at the time thought was pretty much a miracle. And then we were awful again in year 6. That's 4 solid years with two awful ones.

Dude could not find a QB to save his life...that is without a doubt true, but if he's gonna get the blame for that, shouldn't he get the credit for putting together the insane trifecta of talent on Defense that he he found with PP, Campbell and Washington, which are and have been the key building blocks for a great defense?

even more ridiculous...he won 8 games with that garbage.

he's not the best coach in the world, but he's a solid HC and if he has a good QB, I think he's shown the ability to take that guy and get the max out of his abilities.

Great stuff!!!!

 

[AZ Native]

man...this is just complete revisionist thinking. He took a 5 win team and made them an 8 win team in year 1. That's a good season. He went to the Super Bowl and the Divisional Playoffs in years 2 and 3. Those are GREAT seasons. He coached an awful team in year 4. Then somehow took a team with NO QB to 8 wins again in year 5, which everyone at the time thought was pretty much a miracle. And then we were awful again in year 6. That's 4 solid years with two awful ones.

Dude could not find a QB to save his life...that is without a doubt true, but if he's gonna get the blame for that, shouldn't he get the credit for putting together the insane trifecta of talent on Defense that he he found with PP, Campbell and Washington, which are and have been the key building blocks for a great defense?

Very good post. He could not find a QB, but although I see this as his downfall, it would have been nice to have some help from the GM, OC and QB coach

 

[Shane]

man...this is just complete revisionist thinking. He took a 5 win team and made them an 8 win team in year 1. That's a good season. He went to the Super Bowl and the Divisional Playoffs in years 2 and 3. Those are GREAT seasons. He coached an awful team in year 4. Then somehow took a team with NO QB to 8 wins again in year 5, which everyone at the time thought was pretty much a miracle. And then we were awful again in year 6. That's 4 solid years with two awful ones.

Dude could not find a QB to save his life...that is without a doubt true, but if he's gonna get the blame for that, shouldn't he get the credit for putting together the insane trifecta of talent on Defense that he he found with PP, Campbell and Washington, which are and have been the key building blocks for a great defense?

Not to mention a stretch where he lead that complete Garbage to an 11-2 mark from the end 2011 to the beginning of 2012 with those QB's and like you said a D with 3 main cogs he brought in to build it in PP Campbell and Dwash!

 

[Bert]

Kurt Warner said some interesting things in his radio interview today. Pretty sure it was KTAR.

First of he said he thinks Whis is a "really good coach." He defended him and said he kinda got a raw deal here in AZ. Wasn't being really critical of the Cards, more just pointing out a series of bad circumstances more than anything.

But then they proceeded to talk about the 08 Super Bowl team and Kurt said he thinks this years team was WAY better "no question" better than the 08 team. He talked about how flawed that team was and how they took weeks off and after they won the division they got blown out a couple times cuz guys were not ready to play; "I kept telling em, you guys we are not going anywhere if play like this."

I also remember Kurt saying something similar to this at the Big Red Rage that year. Calvisi asked him something like how it felt to do "what you've done." this season after clinching the divison and warner got really animated and said "What have we done? We haven't done ANYTHING yet!" and he just kinda laughed that people seemed to be satisfied with making the playoffs.

Back to todays interview; He also said the reason they were able to make that run "we weren't a really good team but we had special players who made special plays in the playoffs." Singled out Dansby, Larry, DRC, Antrel and himself.

Interesting stuff. Kurt defended Whiz, but then went on to talk about that team not being focused (which I guess leads to another discussion about how much the coaches are to blame for this or if it's the Team Leaders) and then Kurt brought up "Special players making plays." Which kinda gives all the credit to the players making plays regardless of the scheme or the gameplan or the talent of the team as a whole.

After a lot of thought I have decided that I believe Whis is a good coach but he is stubborn. He's going to do it his way, he has a system and he believes it works. When everyone buys in and the talent is there, his system does work. But not obviously not everyone buys in all the time and they stop responding to his preaching the system and none of it works.

I think if he can find a way to either adapt to players or somehow assemble an entire team of guys who buy in (atleast most of the time like in 08), he can be successful again as a head coach in the NFL. I wish him the best and I hope he doesn't go to Detroit.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Geez thats pessimistic...I might as well stop rooting for the team if that's the case

He is a HUGE Whiz supporter, and begrudgingly has accepted the new coaching staff, even though they matched Whiz's highest win total in their first year on the job.

Whiz did a fantastic job of changing the culture in Arizona, and then did an even better job showing he is a good coordinator, decent head coach, and a HORRIBLE evaluator of talent, and coaching skills.

Whiz's last few years in Arizona where very bad, and his firing was the right thing to do because he deserved it. His handling of the QB situation last year was horrendous, and his drafts were even worse. Whiz's 1st few seasons where he didn't have that much power on personnel decisions where his best, and the more power can control he got, the worse the team got.

So, I respect the Whiz supporters' opinion, just don't agree with it. Furthermore, I don't think Whiz will be the best coach this organization has ever had or will have in Arizona, and I am pretty sure I won't miss him 4 years from now.

 

[Garthshort]

Reference that KW did a lousy job in developing QB's (post Kurt Warner), just remember that you can't make chicken salad out of chicken s***.

 

[oaken1]

Just like most every other coach in the history of the NFL.

Real einstein to figure that out

Tom Flores won two Superbowls with a backup QB that could barely stay on anyone elses roster

 

[Totally_Red]

I'm sure it is because the NFL is sooooo dumb that Whis is one of the most coveted candidates out there this offseason and even got several interviews last offseason. He ain't perfect, but with a good quarterback in place and with the support of a decent front office he can win the National Football League. That shouldn't be in dispute, despite his last three years in Arizona.

I think he WOULD be successful in Detroit. I am dubious if he'd be successful in Washington or Tennessee because Washington lacks the front office and Tennessee lacks the quarterback.