Who do you not want at #10?

[MadCardDisease]

Haloti Ngata
DeAngelo Williams
Jay Cutler

 

[clif]

Why are people down on Greenway?

And, Clif, why not L. White? I thought you were jocking him (or maybe it was simply a preference for him over D. Williams?

Oh sorry. I thought this was a Who do you want at #10? I apparently missed the NOT part

 

[joeshmo]

Oh sorry. I thought this was a Who do you want at #10? I apparently missed the NOT part

I think a few others did as well, including me.

 

[Stout]

I'd be let down if we drafted either Leinart or Cutler at #10.

Wow, Jeff, that's surprising. I figured you wouldn't want Cutler, but you wouldn't take Leinart either if he slipped?

 

[Stout]

Too lazy to type one myself. this fits my assessment. A first round QB doesn't help in '06.

The exact attitude that perpetuates losing season after losing season after losing season. If you absolutely, 100 percent expect a 1st rounder to step onto the field and be a day-1 starter, you're going to have a losing team most of the time. Why? Besides being a crap shoot, the draft guarantees NOTHING as far as getting the guy you want or need. What if last year Jones, Rolle, and Rogers had all been off the board by the time we drafted? Who would have started at CB? Also, this means you'll never, EVER draft a QB, and unless you really luck out, with a FA steal or a late-round gem, you'll never have a good QB.

So, that's why your opinion is quite detrimental to proper drafting.

 

[Stout]

Of these three the guy that is most likely to make an "Immediate" impact is White. If you are thinking 2-3 years down the road it could be either of the other two. What is more important: To finish well this year or be better 2-3 years from now. With todays free agency teams think short term anymore. There are not long range building plans other than having a QB in development on your team. (we do not)

Read my previous post. Your logic is monumentally flawed.

 

[Red Air Force]

The exact attitude that perpetuates losing season after losing season after losing season. If you absolutely, 100 percent expect a 1st rounder to step onto the field and be a day-1 starter, you're going to have a losing team most of the time. Why? Besides being a crap shoot, the draft guarantees NOTHING as far as getting the guy you want or need. What if last year Jones, Rolle, and Rogers had all been off the board by the time we drafted? Who would have started at CB? Also, this means you'll never, EVER draft a QB, and unless you really luck out, with a FA steal or a late-round gem, you'll never have a good QB.

So, that's why your opinion is quite detrimental to proper drafting.

 

[JeffGollin]

Have there been guys taken high who coming out have had questions about their "motor" or effort that have turned out to be solid NFL players?
Warren Sapp.

To answer the question about why I'd be bummed if we took Leinart. Two reasons:

1. I said at the beginning of my post that it involved a lot of gut-feeling. There's something about Leinart that leaves me a bit flat.

2. If we were to draft a lefty, it would mean (a) reconfiguring our offensive line to put our best pass blocker at RT and (b) replacing our current QB crop with all lefties.

Final point about "lack of a motor" - If you (a) buy into the Sapp analogy and (b) our scouts feel that Wroten is sufficiently cleared of weed charges and seems like he's learned his lesson and has straightened out his life, he might also be an outside NT option at #10. (Remember that Dennis drafted Moss under parallel circumstances).

 

[Russ Smith]

Have there been guys taken high who coming out have had questions about their "motor" or effort that have turned out to be solid NFL players?
Warren Sapp.

To answer the question about why I'd be bummed if we took Leinart. Two reasons:

1. I said at the beginning of my post that it involved a lot of gut-feeling. There's something about Leinart that leaves me a bit flat.

2. If we were to draft a lefty, it would mean (a) reconfiguring our offensive line to put our best pass blocker at RT and (b) replacing our current QB crop with all lefties.

Final point about "lack of a motor" - If you (a) buy into the Sapp analogy and (b) our scouts feel that Wroten is sufficiently cleared of weed charges and seems like he's learned his lesson and has straightened out his life, he might also be an outside NT option at #10. (Remember that Dennis drafted Moss under parallel circumstances).

Sapp was a different thing entirely, he didn't slip over concerns about his motor he slipped because someone at Miami released a document that showed he'd tested positive for marijuana multiple times and cocaine a couple of times while in college. Sapp's agent denied the claim at first, and then put Sapp on ESPN live during the draft to deny the claim. AFter Sapp got picked, his agent blasted Miami officials for releasing private information, sort of hard to argue something's not true while you're complaining it shouldn't have been released.

FYI they were right, I understand that someone at Miami lost their job over that whole mess, it was supposed to be confidential information, but once it got out every NFL team had it. Sapp would have been the first player picked that year if not for the drug test results.

 

[sundevil04]

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2. If we were to draft a lefty, it would mean (a) reconfiguring our offensive line to put our best pass blocker at RT and (b) replacing our current QB crop with all lefties.

what crop would that be, navarre, davey and chang?
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[Chris_Sanders]

The exact attitude that perpetuates losing season after losing season after losing season. If you absolutely, 100 percent expect a 1st rounder to step onto the field and be a day-1 starter, you're going to have a losing team most of the time. Why? Besides being a crap shoot, the draft guarantees NOTHING as far as getting the guy you want or need. What if last year Jones, Rolle, and Rogers had all been off the board by the time we drafted? Who would have started at CB? Also, this means you'll never, EVER draft a QB, and unless you really luck out, with a FA steal or a late-round gem, you'll never have a good QB.

So, that's why your opinion is quite detrimental to proper drafting.

Yay! The voice of reason.

 

[Diamondback Jay]

I'm not fond of Haloi Ngata. To me, the guy is too hot and cold for my liking, and in what I've seen, I don't envision him as someone who gives it 100 percent every game.

Jay Cutler.. Although QB is a need position, taking him at 10 would be too big of a reach. I'd rather see the Cards wait and get a QB in the second (Croyle or Jacobs) than reach.

Vernon Davis. I think he IS going to be as good as advertised, however the last thing Arizona needs is a playmaking reciever. Yes, Davis is a TE by definition, but he's more of a receiving TE than a blocking TE. The Cardinals have too many holes to go for the BPA route.

 

[Stout]

Much as I'd like to draft a QBOF, I'd PUKE if we took Croyle, and I'd have a heart attack if we took him in the 2nd. Talk about the antithesis of what I want! He supposedly has good tools, and yet he did ZILCH in games. All he had to do was not lose the games this year, and let his defense do it, and he couldn't even do THAT. AND he has huge health problems. Um, NO!

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

This year i do not want Maurice Clarett who, btw, is supposed to be formerly charged later this morning.

 

[BACH]

TE Vernon Davis.

Like WR is TE the position where players take the longest to develop. It's very unusual for a TE to make a impact in his rookie year. I liked the way both Edwards and Bergen developed and played by the end of the season.

With their continued development and the limited role TEs play in our system I would be pissed if Davis was the pick at #10.

 

[Denny Green Fan]

I would like Lyndale White but know what I like is meaningless so I will just wait and see like the rest of you and probably be shocked at who we select. Gives me somthing to ponder for the next two months when I am not thinking about the Cubs and spring training.

John I liked you until I learned you was a Cubs fan. St. Louis all the way. Just messin with ya.

 

[Denny Green Fan]

I'm pretty much in agreement with your list and will also change per the combine and pro workout days.

I also like Joe's list. The player who makes me cringe is Deangelo Williams. He looks too similar to Arrington. If we take a running back I would prefer White

 

[Zeno]

I don't like Cutler at all...I was not impressed with him in the Senior Bowl(including the few practices I saw during the week on ESPN). It was my first chance to watch him and he didn't look like a guy worth the 10th pick in the first round. I'm all for taking a QB of the Future BUT I don't think you reach for one either and Cutler IMO is a big time reach.

I'd take Leinart in a heartbeat at #10 but he won't be there. I think Jeff's assesment of changing the blocking schemes and having all lefty's backing him up doesn't make a lot of sense. I don't believe any of that changed in SF when Young took over for Montana and I'd be willing to bet most teams with lefty QBs have a right hander backing them up if only for the reason that they are more prevelant.

I also don't like Ngata at #10 either. I've watched him take plays off and we can't afford to have a player like that.

I like Leinart, Bush and Hawk more than any other players in this draft but none of them will be there at #10 so I'd "settle" for White, J. Williams, Huff, Davis, Greenway or D. Williams.

 

[JeffGollin]

what crop would that be, navarre, davey and chang?
Until we know more, right now that crop be Warner, McCown and Navarre.

If we were to bring in Leinart, it would probably mean that (a) both Warner & McCown would go, (c) Navarre would go and (b) the veteran FA we picked up to replace Warner/McCown would have to be a left hander.

 

[Zeno]

If we were to bring in Leinart, it would probably mean that (a) both Warner & McCown would go, (c) Navarre would go and (b) the veteran FA we picked up to replace Warner/McCown would have to be a left hander.

Simms(a lefty) came in after an injury to Griese (a right hander), the Bucs OLine didn't change and they didn't run out and sign a lefty to back him up.

Vicks back-up is Schaub and I'm pretty sure he is right handed.

Who was Esiasons back-up(in Cincy not in AZ)--and didn't he have Munoz as his LT? How about Youngs back-up in SF? I don't know but did either one have a back-up that was left handed because there was so much concern about such things?