who do you want as our #1 RB right now?

[Cody]

for me its BW...even with his problem holding onto the ball. He's gotta get reps in regardless so lets get them in now. He seems to be more productive than TH imo

 

[CaptTurbo]

The guy who has the best chance to break the first tackler and make something out of a 3 yards flat pass.

 

[SpokaneCardfan]

To me there is no question that Wells needs to play as much as possible. He is a big play waiting to happen and the sooner he gets more carries the sooner he breaks the big one.

 

[JeffGollin]

Either one is fine (and you can throw Wright into that mix as well).

The problem is run blocking. I'd worry more about that than I would which RB gets the most touches.

 

[DieHardCardFan]

I cant wait until we are talking about playoffs and not beating this dead horse anymore......

 

[Doug]

I voted for both,but its time BEANIE shows us why we picked him #1 and just because he was picked #31 is NO EXCUSE.Steven Jackson was picked #27 I think and look at how he's the only player on that team right now.

Beanie your not a steven jackson.You're a different kind of runner that gets elusive and makes people miss and you showed VISION in college.Can we see some of that NOW!!! You did'nt need a great hole or blocking to do some of the things you did in college.ITS time you get a game ball and show us in Illinois what Big Ten football was for you.

If you can lead by example Beanie than I would gladly change my vote to having you lead this team into the playoffs this year.We've all been waiting a long time.We know you missed a ton of work but NOW IS THE TIME!!!I can name plenty of Big Time Big Ten players who made it work in the NFL.You've had enough work in practice,lets see some pass blocking and lets see you show us how fast or quick if you like,you are and get some daylight for us this SUNDAY...You'll feel right at home.

I know coach Whiz will keep feeding you the ball as long as you hold on to it and keep producing.We have'nt had a decent running back for the CARDINALS for a long time.Now show us you are what we thought you were.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Either one is fine (and you can throw Wright into that mix as well).

The problem is run blocking. I'd worry more about that than I would which RB gets the most touches.

You should be worried more about the pass blocking from our tackles when we throw 35 times a game, vs. the 2 or 3 times we might ask Beanie to pass block for.

 

[Doug]

DCR ..This week is the first week we don't have a real dominant pass rusher like a Mario,Freeney,Peppers,Tuck type guy.We have Ogunleye(sp?) who is probably the best they put out there right now.Plus 3 DT's for the bears are banged up.Taking it one game at a time we should have some success running the ball and this is the game I'm hoping Beanie can put some weight on his shoulders and show us what he is made of.

A rookie runningback can do that along with a rookie wide reciever and I've seen it in the eagles rookie running back that we could have taken and instead we drafted Wells.So its time Wells lives up to the hype.Westbrook went down and the pittsburgh boy lit the giants up last week.We fell down and we need Beanie to give us a lift back up.Its his time now.I know Whiz brings rookies along a lil' too slow for my tastes but its time now.No excuse for him not pass blocking or recieving in college,let the lil' pony run now.

 

[Stout]

I voted for both,but its time BEANIE shows us why we picked him #1 and just because he was picked #31 is NO EXCUSE.Steven Jackson was picked #27 I think and look at how he's the only player on that team right now.

Beanie your not a steven jackson.You're a different kind of runner that gets elusive and makes people miss and you showed VISION in college.Can we see some of that NOW!!! You did'nt need a great hole or blocking to do some of the things you did in college.ITS time you get a game ball and show us in Illinois what Big Ten football was for you.

If you can lead by example Beanie than I would gladly change my vote to having you lead this team into the playoffs this year.We've all been waiting a long time.We know you missed a ton of work but NOW IS THE TIME!!!I can name plenty of Big Time Big Ten players who made it work in the NFL.You've had enough work in practice,lets see some pass blocking and lets see you show us how fast or quick if you like,you are and get some daylight for us this SUNDAY...You'll feel right at home.

I know coach Whiz will keep feeding you the ball as long as you hold on to it and keep producing.We have'nt had a decent running back for the CARDINALS for a long time.Now show us you are what we thought you were.

Ready to change your vote, Doug? 'Cause you aren't paying enough attention to what Beanie Wells is doing.

Last game:
8 rushes 47 yds 5.9 yd average
Runs of 2, 14, 5, 7, 3, 9, 4, 3
NOT A SINGLE NEGATIVE RUSH

Game before:
14 rushes 67 yds 4.8 yd average
Runs of 1, 13, 13, 6, -5, 4, 2, 15, -1, 4, -2, 10, 2, 5
Two negative rushes into the teeth of the defense, one TD

So, Beanie is DEFINITELY getting it done, but somehow isn't getting the rock more. Cripes, why did we even throw it at all against Carolina? BW was getting 5.9 a tote...just hand him the ball and wait until they stop it!

 

[Stout]

DCR ..This week is the first week we don't have a real dominant pass rusher like a Mario,Freeney,Peppers,Tuck type guy.We have Ogunleye(sp?) who is probably the best they put out there right now.Plus 3 DT's for the bears are banged up.Taking it one game at a time we should have some success running the ball and this is the game I'm hoping Beanie can put some weight on his shoulders and show us what he is made of.

A rookie runningback can do that along with a rookie wide reciever and I've seen it in the eagles rookie running back that we could have taken and instead we drafted Wells.So its time Wells lives up to the hype.Westbrook went down and the pittsburgh boy lit the giants up last week.We fell down and we need Beanie to give us a lift back up.Its his time now.I know Whiz brings rookies along a lil' too slow for my tastes but its time now.No excuse for him not pass blocking or recieving in college,let the lil' pony run now.

Doug, STOP DOGGING BEANIE!!! I like you, man, but it upsets me when someone has zero knowledge of what they're talking about. Beanie IS PRODUCING WELL. HE IS NOT GETTING THE BALL ENOUGH. Blame Whis, not Beanie. Sheesh!

 

[blindseyed]

Chuck Levy

 

[Doug]

Doug, STOP DOGGING BEANIE!!! I like you, man, but it upsets me when someone has zero knowledge of what they're talking about. Beanie IS PRODUCING WELL. HE IS NOT GETTING THE BALL ENOUGH. Blame Whis, not Beanie. Sheesh!

Stout...Chill out we both want the same thing. I played 9 years of this stuff and know why Beanie is'nt playing more.He isn't pass blocking well in practice and isn't catching on well in picking up the blitz or hot read as well as Hightower is.Thats the key to everything.Not Beanies production as a runner which you are basing EVERYTHING you have in this debate on.

Beanie is being formed into a COMPLETE running back that the NFL DEMANDS.You must be able to protect our old quarterback or you won't play PERIOD.

If and until he can do that we'll still see Tim Hightower playing.I fully agree with you that its time Beanie takes his place but I've seen better pass defending blocks from the Howler than Beanie because they have'nt even given Beanie the chance to do it yet.That is saying something.

We don't have the knowledge the coaches do,by being at practice everyday.OKAY?

Its not about who can add up the stats.Stats are for message board posters.Well I won't go there.I know what Beanie needs and he hopefully is getting closer to being that rounded player we need to carry this team to the playoffs as coach Whiz fully hoped he would be when he was drafted and then missed every OTA and got hurt his very first afternoon of practice being rolled up on his ankle and missing all of the passing game additions that were added.It really set him behind a mile.

PATIENCE my man.You're gonna see BEANIE given his chance to shine.I'm calling out the Chicago game as THAT GAME so you can be happy once again.You did say in a post you once were happy but I never saw that in a post before.

Maybe IF Beanie bust loose this week against 3 hurt DT's and a third string MLB and a missing SS. We will continue to use him against the seahawks and lambs.

Don't wear your emotions on your shoulders.I get just as upset when you post against Warner who is going to the Hall Of Fame but I don't jump on you for starting thread after thread about burning him at the stake.

Warner may still be here next year with MATT taking over the year after.Its a money thing also.You don't always get what you want.Beanie is gonna get his when Lovie Smith least expects it.Yet I know Lovie and he is gonna expect it after last weeks game.Lovie is the head coach who still calls the defenses and he always has a hustling defense that he expects to run to the ball all game long.

Beanie will get his shot to lead the team this week.I assure you.It won't be through the air that this game is won.It will be by the addition of running game by Beanie and probably Hightower on the goalline and Rackers making kicks and our defensive youngsters playing thier hearts out this week to help the old guys who are banged up.

We're on the same team Stout.I want what you want.Don't ever hate me.I never hated anyone.Even those that call for Warner to go away.Thats called a persons opinion.They're entitled to it by all means.Whether they only know madden football or not.I played the game myself.Yet I'm trying to fit in with this great group of posters that are 100% different from the main CARDINALS board that has the IQ of a gnat.

 

[Kel Varnsen]

Stout...Chill out we both want the same thing. I played 9 years of this stuff and know why Beanie is'nt playing more.He isn't pass blocking well in practice and isn't catching on well in picking up the blitz or hot read as well as Hightower is.Thats the key to everything.Not Beanies production as a runner which you are basing EVERYTHING you have in this debate on.

Beanie is being formed into a COMPLETE running back that the NFL DEMANDS.You must be able to protect our old quarterback or you won't play PERIOD.

If and until he can do that we'll still see Tim Hightower playing.I fully agree with you that its time Beanie takes his place but I've seen better pass defending blocks from the Howler than Beanie because they have'nt even given Beanie the chance to do it yet.That is saying something.

We don't have the knowledge the coaches do,by being at practice everyday.OKAY?

Its not about who can add up the stats.Stats are for message board posters.Well I won't go there.I know what Beanie needs and he hopefully is getting closer to being that rounded player we need to carry this team to the playoffs as coach Whiz fully hoped he would be when he was drafted and then missed every OTA and got hurt his very first afternoon of practice being rolled up on his ankle and missing all of the passing game additions that were added.It really set him behind a mile.

PATIENCE my man.You're gonna see BEANIE given his chance to shine.I'm calling out the Chicago game as THAT GAME so you can be happy once again.You did say in a post you once were happy but I never saw that in a post before.

Maybe IF Beanie bust loose this week against 3 hurt DT's and a third string MLB and a missing SS. We will continue to use him against the seahawks and lambs.

Don't wear your emotions on your shoulders.I get just as upset when you post against Warner who is going to the Hall Of Fame but I don't jump on you for starting thread after thread about burning him at the stake.

Warner may still be here next year with MATT taking over the year after.Its a money thing also.You don't always get what you want.Beanie is gonna get his when Lovie Smith least expects it.Yet I know Lovie and he is gonna expect it after last weeks game.Lovie is the head coach who still calls the defenses and he always has a hustling defense that he expects to run to the ball all game long.

Beanie will get his shot to lead the team this week.I assure you.It won't be through the air that this game is won.It will be by the addition of running game by Beanie and probably Hightower on the goalline and Rackers making kicks and our defensive youngsters playing thier hearts out this week to help the old guys who are banged up.

We're on the same team Stout.I want what you want.Don't ever hate me.I never hated anyone.Even those that call for Warner to go away.Thats called a persons opinion.They're entitled to it by all means.Whether they only know madden football or not.I played the game myself.Yet I'm trying to fit in with this great group of posters that are 100% different from the main CARDINALS board that has the IQ of a gnat.

Good post.

 

[Buckybird]

I want the guy we should have had all along...Adrian Peterson

Whoever had the final say in drafting Levi should have been fired by now.

 

[Doug]

I want the guy we should have had all along...Adrian Peterson

Whoever had the final say in drafting Levi should have been fired by now.

Bucky you are so cool man. These days guys like us need to watch our blood pressure. So one year we drafted for need and came up a loser.I think the drafting for the CARDINALS is one of the best in the league right now.If we had Cody Brown playing healthy it would show you that we are still getting the best talent (Recently) that anyteam in the league is getting.Look all the way down to what the Howler is and can give to us for years to come.

You have'nt even seen Beanie come out of his egg shell yet.Once he does and he can stay healthy??? Then You'll forget all about A.P.....We'll you'll think less about it than ususal.

I'm hoping the drafting of big Herman or Keith who is getting some great coaching and conditioning on this team for sure.Will fill Levi's spot and you can forget about this guy.Other teams have had undrafted free agents outplay first rounders and its not out of the realm of possibilities we can have the same thing happen here.Shame money is gonna be the first factor and those guys may be better players today but won't get the shot due to the $$$.Its the NFL.

Adrian Peterson is blessed to also have a pretty good offensive line in front of him that the vikes paid a TON of money for.Hutch and Mt.McKenzie did'nt come cheap.Will Billy go out and get us what we need first to replace Gandy this offseason? That need will becoming up before Levi's,unless we replace Levi from within.I've been hoping for that since about 3 weeks ago.I at least want to see what Bridges can do for a full game.Then we can try Keith or House.

Once we give Beanie holes to run through you will be a happy man again.To see actual speed in an AWESOME SHINY CARDINALS UNI WILL BE A THING OF BEAUTY.I can't wait myself.

 

[PJ1]

Ready to change your vote, Doug? 'Cause you aren't paying enough attention to what Beanie Wells is doing.

Last game:
8 rushes 47 yds 5.9 yd average
Runs of 2, 14, 5, 7, 3, 9, 4, 3
NOT A SINGLE NEGATIVE RUSH

Game before:
14 rushes 67 yds 4.8 yd average
Runs of 1, 13, 13, 6, -5, 4, 2, 15, -1, 4, -2, 10, 2, 5
Two negative rushes into the teeth of the defense, one TD

So, Beanie is DEFINITELY getting it done, but somehow isn't getting the rock more. Cripes, why did we even throw it at all against Carolina? BW was getting 5.9 a tote...just hand him the ball and wait until they stop it!

Agreed. Have no clue what games some people are watching. He has had an issue fumbling but so has TH. No comparison between the two in my opinion.

 

[PJ1]

Stout...Chill out we both want the same thing. I played 9 years of this stuff and know why Beanie is'nt playing more.He isn't pass blocking well in practice and isn't catching on well in picking up the blitz or hot read as well as Hightower is.Thats the key to everything.Not Beanies production as a runner which you are basing EVERYTHING you have in this debate on.

Beanie is being formed into a COMPLETE running back that the NFL DEMANDS.You must be able to protect our old quarterback or you won't play PERIOD.

If and until he can do that we'll still see Tim Hightower playing.I fully agree with you that its time Beanie takes his place but I've seen better pass defending blocks from the Howler than Beanie because they have'nt even given Beanie the chance to do it yet.That is saying something.

We don't have the knowledge the coaches do,by being at practice everyday.OKAY?

Its not about who can add up the stats.Stats are for message board posters.Well I won't go there.I know what Beanie needs and he hopefully is getting closer to being that rounded player we need to carry this team to the playoffs as coach Whiz fully hoped he would be when he was drafted and then missed every OTA and got hurt his very first afternoon of practice being rolled up on his ankle and missing all of the passing game additions that were added.It really set him behind a mile.

PATIENCE my man.You're gonna see BEANIE given his chance to shine.I'm calling out the Chicago game as THAT GAME so you can be happy once again.You did say in a post you once were happy but I never saw that in a post before.

Maybe IF Beanie bust loose this week against 3 hurt DT's and a third string MLB and a missing SS. We will continue to use him against the seahawks and lambs.

Don't wear your emotions on your shoulders.I get just as upset when you post against Warner who is going to the Hall Of Fame but I don't jump on you for starting thread after thread about burning him at the stake.

Warner may still be here next year with MATT taking over the year after.Its a money thing also.You don't always get what you want.Beanie is gonna get his when Lovie Smith least expects it.Yet I know Lovie and he is gonna expect it after last weeks game.Lovie is the head coach who still calls the defenses and he always has a hustling defense that he expects to run to the ball all game long.

Beanie will get his shot to lead the team this week.I assure you.It won't be through the air that this game is won.It will be by the addition of running game by Beanie and probably Hightower on the goalline and Rackers making kicks and our defensive youngsters playing thier hearts out this week to help the old guys who are banged up.

We're on the same team Stout.I want what you want.Don't ever hate me.I never hated anyone.Even those that call for Warner to go away.Thats called a persons opinion.They're entitled to it by all means.Whether they only know madden football or not.I played the game myself.Yet I'm trying to fit in with this great group of posters that are 100% different from the main CARDINALS board that has the IQ of a gnat.

Want to protect Warner? Develop a running game. Beanie gives us the best chance to do that.

 

[Russ Smith]

We don't have the knowledge the coaches do,by being at practice everyday.OKAY?

I agree with this but I would point out it's completely contrary to your point about wanting to see more of Doucet. if the coaches thought he was ready, he'd be playing, just like Beanie.

 

[Doug]

I agree with this but I would point out it's completely contrary to your point about wanting to see more of Doucet. if the coaches thought he was ready, he'd be playing, just like Beanie.

All I can do is parrot what coach Whiz is saying about Doucet in practice.I'm sure you've read what he's said also.Yet he still favors what he thought(The grown arse man) could give us over that.

Thats a coach's decision and I have to trust he thinks Boldin can play hurt the FULL game and give the team a boost like he did hurt in New York.It did'nt work last week.Nothing did!!!

Don't be in such a hurry since the world only CRASHED last Sunday OKAY??

None of us are in practice and Beanie will only play fulltime once he can pick up a blitz and read where its coming from.He did'nt have to do that at Ohio State.He just ran the ball.He did'nt have to catch the ball at Ohio State.Thats due to the Vest as coach and the lack of a qb there.

Beanie has had a LOT TO LEARN. His earlier games stats were'nt as pretty as the two games stats shown in this thread plus putting the ball on the ground the way you carry it will get you in Whiz' dog house fast.

Russ its everything you're saying.ITS THE COACH'S DECISION.We have to think he knows whats best.Well its time we see those crisp run routes he's talked about to the press because we are'nt seeing them out of Boldin past the first quarter or his first tackle that reinjures his high ankle.

Just like last season Whiz is gonna have to let go and let us win WITHOUT Boldin.We did it,I know 3 times last season.We need CRISP routes to get first downs.We're not getting any RAC from a hurt Boldin.Maybe a healthy Doucet can make it to the sticks in his crisp route and make the first down that way.

Beanie will be judged by his early carries this week and he may have a much larger say in this games outcome due to a weaker up front DT wise from the bears who have 3 ailing at best.I like to see Beanie break the ball outside myself and hope he gets more off tackle stuff.

I don't coach the team.I can only hope Whiz can look back on mistakes and choose not to repeat them and also live up to his own words unless its been pure COACHSPEAK which I personally can't stand.

Stats won't get you anywhere when you know we are a passing team first and running second.Does Whiz try to go pure run first and pass second.Lets all wait and see.If we do win that way.Don't think it can work against any team out thier.Many are stronger up front defensively and we'll have to go back to the air,but at least we'll have added the play action by the running threat.

Russ lets see what Whiz does this week in a game we have a more talented team to win with does.I'm afraid he's gonna go with Boldin myself.I wish someone would replay last season.Maybe it was Haley who convinced Whiz to move on.We'll never know.

 

[Duckjake]

Either one is fine (and you can throw Wright into that mix as well).

The problem is run blocking. I'd worry more about that than I would which RB gets the most touches.

As STOUT points out, combined the last two games, BW has 22 carries 114 yards (5.2ypc) and a TD . I don't think run blocking is a problem.

 

[Stout]

Want to protect Warner? Develop a running game. Beanie gives us the best chance to do that.

Amen, PJ. Doug, two games ago Beanie got 14 carries against the giants and Hightower got 4. Do you remember Beanie being responsible for Warner getting killed? I sure don't. Why can't you just insert Beanie into the lineup, and either run him or run play-action passes off of him? Wait, we've proven that you can do just that. With the YPC average Beanie has, and with how well the team played when he had the highest number of carries to date, it is crystal clear that Beanie should see the field far more. The only reason he isn't is because we're too much of a pass-oriented team and because our QB will fight expanding the running game tooth and nail until he retires.

And Doug, the whole patience thing with a running back? Not applicable. Stud RBs step onto the field and their impact can be felt immediately. It is a historical fact. Even early in the season when Beanie had horrific fumbling problems, we'd see flashs of brilliance out of him. Now that he's getting more of a chance, we're seeing an excellent running back develop. Now he needs to GET THE ROCK!!!

Sorry, Doug. Like I said, I love what you bring to the board, with your passion and knowledge. That said, I completely disagree with you about Beanie. Handing him the rock more and more will only increase our chances of winning.

 

[Doug]

I'm not the coach Stout...I would like to nominate you as the new HEAD COACH of the CARDINALS with the insight and practice information that you bring to the table in your posts.Most of us are in the dark about what is happening in practice.I'm just glad we've got one poster who is able to be there.

Since its as simple as turning Beanie lose and running pass plays with him not in the route but picking up the hot blitzer,like we'll see with the bears as they can't get pressure with the front 4 alone.Only 1 sack in the last 3 games against weak teams.

It could'nt be more simple and obvious than your post above to the guy in your position named Whisenhunt. The stats show Beanie is ready for the bigtime.Let him loose and feed him the rock all day long.I'm glad Stout is on the job.Forgive me for not seeing what you do.I too am entertained by your posts more than you'll ever know.

I never knew it was Kurt Warner in the meetings fighting tooth and nail to keep this a passing team.I just don't have the information like this to even post.Please keep us informed on what that toad of a player is doing to keep us from winning more games this year.To think he had me fooled all this time.

 

[FArting]

Tim Hightower

 

[Zeno]

As STOUT points out, combined the last two games, BW has 22 carries 114 yards (5.2ypc) and a TD . I don't think run blocking is a problem.

Those numbers don't lie. Beanie could get the job done if he was getting more carries, I don't expect 5+ yds a carry over the long haul but there is no reason to think we couldn't get around 4 yds a pop from him consistently.

There is loyalty to Hightower but he isn't the most talented player at his position on the team, it taking the coaching staff too long to realize that.

 

[Doug]

azsportsfan how can you say Hightower when he only knows how to pass block and all the chip blocking assignments that go along with the passing game and he knows how to be the hot read and can catch the ball everytime out of the backfield.

Why he dared to even have a 17 yard catch and run last week.On a team that should not be passing the ball when we have the great Beanie.

I think having Beanie for the last part of his rookie year healthy and learning and able to contribute BIGTIME in the playoffs is probably a bad idea.We need to use him up as much as possible right now while he still has'nt learned all the plays yet.Except I'm not at practice I don't see him miss the blitz pickup and hear him get yelled at.That would never happen.He did it all during his college career at Ohio State.Did'nt you see it?

Beanie had how many recieveing yards in dump off passes at OSU?Oh his hands are small and he does'nt catch that well? I did'nt know that coming out of college.He was here all summer to pick this stuff up in OTA's.Oh...he was'nt.

Maybe the team will start using Beanie more this week since the team has no other options unless they want to lose everygame.I wish I would have thought of this.