who do you want as our #1 RB right now?

[joeshmo]

Now, I might not be the most well-centered poster on here, but I can recognize a lot of the ones who are. When you go around insulting guys like Joeschmoe and telling them they're big bad meanies, your credibility takes a pretty big hit.

I am going to start a club for other big bad meanies such as my self. All I need for anyone to join is your debit card number, the 3 digit number on the back, your SS#, and mothers madian name. Do I have any takers?

I only have one rule, you must give me money.

 

[JeffGollin]

As STOUT points out, combined the last two games, BW has 22 carries 114 yards (5.2ypc) and a TD . I don't think run blocking is a problem.

That stat is misleading.

While you can't ignore total yards, total running attempts and YPC, the key is the percent of plays where the running play gets us what we need from it (i.e. 4 or 5 yards on first down, picking up short-yardage first downs, big yardage on 3rd & long draw plays etc.).

Most of Beanie's yardage has been coming from gains of 12 - 15 yards on 3 or 4 plays each game. While that's good, it also means that too many of his other carries haven't been all that successful. And of late, THT's "success rate" numbers have been less thrilling than Beanie's.

I'll start feeling happier about our run game when (a) our RB's more often than not pick up at least 5 yards on first down runs, (b) we convert 90% of our 3rd/4th & ones, (c) our likelihood of of converting 3rd & long via the draw play are as good or better than our odds of converting via the pass and (d) we can expect to see one running play per game go for more than 20 yards.

Note to Dreamcastrocks - The thread topic had to do with our RB's so I focused on run blocking. But I by no means intended to let the O-line off the hook with regard to giving Kurt W enough time to read, pull the trigger and throw accurately.

 

[Russ Smith]

That stat is misleading.

While you can't ignore total yards, total running attempts and YPC, the key is the percent of plays where the running play gets us what we need from it (i.e. 4 or 5 yards on first down, picking up short-yardage first downs, big yardage on 3rd & long draw plays etc.).

Most of Beanie's yardage has been coming from gains of 12 - 15 yards on 3 or 4 plays each game. While that's good, it also means that too many of his other carries haven't been all that successful. And of late, THT's "success rate" numbers have been less thrilling than Beanie's.

I'll start feeling happier about our run game when (a) our RB's more often than not pick up at least 5 yards on first down runs, (b) we convert 90% of our 3rd/4th & ones, (c) our likelihood of of converting 3rd & long via the draw play are as good or better than our odds of converting via the pass and (d) we can expect to see one running play per game go for more than 20 yards.

Note to Dreamcastrocks - The thread topic had to do with our RB's so I focused on run blocking. But I by no means intended to let the O-line off the hook with regard to giving Kurt W enough time to read, pull the trigger and throw accurately.

But to be fair that's true of most great running teams too, and most great RB's. Look at Chris Johnson's day last week, and Jones-Drew. They played each other, Johnson had 228 yards, MJD had 177.

Johnson had TD runs of 52 and 89 yards or 141 yards on 2 runs. MJD had td runs of 79 and 80 yards or 159 yards on 2 runs. Now it's the first time in NFL history there's been 4 TD runs over 50 yards in the same game, so it's not typical, but it's somewhat typical of those 2 guys, they get a lot of long runs.

There really aren't that many RB's who average 5 YPC just by getting runs between 4 and 6 yards, usually there's a long run or two mixed in.

Beanie hasn't had a LONG run yet, his longest is 17, but if you notice in 5 of his 7 games he's had a run of at least 14 yards, he may have more runs over 10 yards this year than Edge had all last year(don't honestly know so don't quote me). It's a matter of time before Beanie busts a much longer run, he's been close 2-3 times recently.

Tim is a nice RB but he's not the threat to break longer runs that Beanie is. He's had over 200 carries in the NFL and his longest run is 26 yards, I gotta say by the time Beanie hits 200 career carries if he doesn't have a run longer than 26 yards I'd be pretty disappointed.

 

[Covert Rain]

I just don't see how anybody can say TH. If you look at the opportunities he has gotten since he got here, we know what we have in TH. That has not changed. When I watch TH he is most effective in short yardage and catching out of the back field. He is not an every down back.

I am not saying that BW is not going to make mistakes or go through some growing pains. However, there is something that BW has that TH does not. Starting Potential and big play potential. You will never get that out of TH.

It's time.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

DCR ..This week is the first week we don't have a real dominant pass rusher like a Mario,Freeney,Peppers,Tuck type guy.We have Ogunleye(sp?) who is probably the best they put out there right now.Plus 3 DT's for the bears are banged up.Taking it one game at a time we should have some success running the ball and this is the game I'm hoping Beanie can put some weight on his shoulders and show us what he is made of.

A rookie runningback can do that along with a rookie wide reciever and I've seen it in the eagles rookie running back that we could have taken and instead we drafted Wells.So its time Wells lives up to the hype.Westbrook went down and the pittsburgh boy lit the giants up last week.We fell down and we need Beanie to give us a lift back up.Its his time now.I know Whiz brings rookies along a lil' too slow for my tastes but its time now.No excuse for him not pass blocking or recieving in college,let the lil' pony run now.

SF doesn't have one either, and yet Levi got abused game 1.

 

[Doug]

SF doesn't have one either, and yet Levi got abused game 1.

Levi will probably have his hands full with Florida's Alex Brown for the Bears this week.He's a speed rusher thats lost a step but can still get good leverage on a guy like Levi.

I think the 9ers DE is a monster in Justin Smith who's playing very close to his best season ever after bulking up in the offseason.Plus they have Haralson who moves up to the line and he's not a known name but under Singletary is playing over his head this year.He gave the colts fits last week.

Justin Smith is even injured this year but is playing like a kid again but has bulked up and is pushing OT's back into the qb this year.He used to be just a speed rusher.He really put in some time with Mike and the Hill this offseason.Plus some bigtime YORK WEIGHTS...

 

[Buckybird]

Levi will probably have his hands full with Florida's Alex Brown for the Bears this week.He's a speed rusher thats lost a step but can still get good leverage on a guy like Levi.

I think the 9ers DE is a monster in Justin Smith who's playing very close to his best season ever after bulking up in the offseason.Plus they have Haralson who moves up to the line and he's not a known name but under Singletary is playing over his head this year.He gave the colts fits last week.

Justin Smith is even injured this year but is playing like a kid again but has bulked up and is pushing OT's back into the qb this year.He used to be just a speed rusher.He really put in some time with Mike and the Hill this offseason.Plus some bigtime YORK WEIGHTS...

I would say nearly every person who lines up in front of #75 gives him problems. As far as the speed rusher, almost every team has one, except you know who...our Redbirds.

 

[joeshmo]

I would say nearly every person who lines up in front of #75 gives him problems.

You are correct, case in point look no further then Isaac Sopoaga, the 330 pound DE from the 49ers abused Levi. Its not just speed rushers.

 

[Kel Varnsen]

I just don't see how anybody can say TH. If you look at the opportunities he has gotten since he got here, we know what we have in TH. That has not changed. When I watch TH he is most effective in short yardage and catching out of the back field. He is not an every down back.

I am not saying that BW is not going to make mistakes or go through some growing pains. However, there is something that BW has that TH does not. Starting Potential and big play potential. You will never get that out of TH.

It's time.

Here's my reasoning. Fire away when you're done reading.

I trust this coaching staff. If the last regime was still in place, I'd question the decision, but I think this staff knows what it is doing. If Wells was better for the team, he'd be out there. Because he's not and I don't know what goes in practice during the week, I am comfortable assuming that Wells has weaknesses that could seriously hurt the team.

I don't know for sure, but my interpretation (which could be way off, I admit) is that Wells does not know how to pick up blitzes. If this is apparent during the week, I don't think you'd put him out there on passing downs on Sundays. When you talk about big play potential, I think you also have to worry about big play potential for the defense. What about fumbles by (or even worse, injuries to) Warner?

Maybe we can hire Edge as a coach for the rest of the year to mentor Wells.

 

[Shane]

Maybe we can hire Edge as a coach for the rest of the year to mentor Wells.

PLEASE GOD NOOOOOO!

 

[Kel Varnsen]

PLEASE GOD NOOOOOO!

Shoulda had a smiley right at the end of that post.

 

[Covert Rain]

Here's my reasoning. Fire away when you're done reading.

I trust this coaching staff. If the last regime was still in place, I'd question the decision, but I think this staff knows what it is doing. If Wells was better for the team, he'd be out there. Because he's not and I don't know what goes in practice during the week, I am comfortable assuming that Wells has weaknesses that could seriously hurt the team.

I don't know for sure, but my interpretation (which could be way off, I admit) is that Wells does not know how to pick up blitzes. If this is apparent during the week, I don't think you'd put him out there on passing downs on Sundays. When you talk about big play potential, I think you also have to worry about big play potential for the defense. What about fumbles by (or even worse, injuries to) Warner?

You make some good points but Whiz when in Pittsburgh had a luxury that we don't. Depth. The Steelers are so good at evaluating talent that it seems like every time they lose a tier 1 free agent, they have a young guy there to take over. The Cards are not there yet. When we lose a tier 1 free agent, it will hurt this team until we build better depth. So as a result, the Steelers always seem to have the time to bring young players around slowly without it being a detriment to their team.

We don't have that luxury here but I think that mentality has stuck with the Whiz. His instincts are probably telling him to bring him along slowly and let the vet in TH take the reigns. The problem is TH is no starting runing back, he is no Edge (from the playoffs) and we can't afford to bring BW along slowly.

I will call it now. If BW role doesn't increase in terms of running the ball before seasons end....we either won't make the playoffs or have a early exit.

 

[Doug]

You make some good points but Whiz when in Pittsburgh had a luxury that we don't. Depth. The Steelers are so good at evaluating talent that it seems like every time they lose a tier 1 free agent, they have a young guy there to take over. The Cards are not there yet. When we lose a tier 1 free agent, it will hurt this team until we build better depth. So as a result, the Steelers always seem to have the time to bring young players around slowly without it being a detriment to their team.

We don't have that luxury here but I think that mentality has stuck with the Whiz. His instincts are probably telling him to bring him along slowly and let the vet in TH take the reigns. The problem is TH is no starting runing back, he is no Edge (from the playoffs) and we can't afford to bring BW along slowly.

I will call it now. If BW role doesn't increase in terms of running the ball before seasons end....we either won't make the playoffs or have a early exit.

The Steelers also play rookies from the get go.Gay started playing and splitting time with McFadden last year,ready to release McFadden for this year Foote was done the same way with Timmons who started playing as a rookie lb.Same with Mendenhall at RB and on and on with the Steelers.

Yet Whiz does'nt like to play rookies too much in ARIZONA.We had too last year with DRC.Plus it was'nt till near the end of the season.Our players don't seem to develope as fast like Early Doucet and Branch and a few others.Boy I hope CODY BROWN is the real deal come the offseason practice time.Coach Lott needs to get ahold of that boy soon.

 

[Buckybird]

Maybe we can hire Edge as a coach for the rest of the year to mentor Wells.

OMG thats diffanately the funniest post of the year, I'm rolling!!!

 

[Stout]

Thanks stout.I think you are the stats guy right.So how many passes has Beanie been thrown? How many has he caught? Is it over 5 on any account.You act like it has some kind of meaning.

I'm all for Beanie getting 25 a game.If you think you can read a mind then you supposedly can tell me what I meant by my post.Obviously I'm not backtracking ONE bit.I said what I said and I stand by it as the first time I meant what I said.

You are the one who should have asked what I meant.You did'nt and now you have to eat it.Beanie had what 12 carries for 29 yards and a 2.9 avg carry in the Seattle game.We were not trying to come from behind having to pass the ball against 7 or 8 deep like we were in the panther game.GUESS WHAT .Thats the game beanie went off and had such a high ypc. He's only had 4 catches in his NFL career.His longest carry is 17 yards.He should have gotten more yards with the secondary playing so far backed off.They were GIVING us the run.Knowing we could'nt come back on them if we ran the rest of the way.How much do you need explaining about?

Hightower had a 17 yard reception last week against strong coverage in the panther game.I'm all for Beanie to rule for 10 years as the CARDINALS leader.When coach Whiz thinks he's ready.Obviously coach Whiz has'nt seen enough in what you don't believe in because you can't see it,ITS CALLED PRACTICE...Its what players in the NFL do for most of their time in the NFL.Its PRACTICE.Yet you give it no CREEDANCE.LMAO Obviously you've never been to football practice for two a days in that heat.I have.Then weight training.Thats whats gonna make Beanie...Beanie in the NFL.

Not one game in New York.Did you see what the rookie from the eagles did to the giants last sunday?LeSean McCoy was 11 for 82 yard with a 66 yard touchdown 7.5 average against the same team you keep raving about Beanie with.McCoy had his td for 66 then he caught passes with 17 being his longest and caught 5 passes in the week before.He's not even getting starter reps like Beanie is in practice everyday.So PLEASE stop with Beanie is the savior stuff dude.McCoy was drafted after Beanie was.Why did'nt Beanie go off for a 66 yarder against the giants?lol Look further in the draft to Shonn Greene and his over 100 yard games as a rookie.What a hard nose runner he is out of Iowa,the big 10 again.

I hope you keep whatever avatar represents you the best.I think you have it already.I was just letting you know I personally find it childish.Thats just my opinion.

I've answered your so call important question with my top sentence in my last post.Never seen Beanie block once.Show me a film clip of it.You can do that I'm sure.

Maybe he can.I just know what the HEAD COACH does and it isn't what you want.Right? So I guess they are'nt gonna make a newspaper about each practice for you either and tell you all the teams secrets and who can't do what.Shame.I doubt it would change anything with you.Why would anyone want to embarrass Beanie by saying how slow he is picking up the offense in practice?Its not gonna EVER happen.We'll know by how much Beanie see's the field.Thats how.Coach's play the players that execute in practice.Kinda gives away a lot by saying that.

I know I have others who will stand by me on this board.I've been here for the full offseason since April and have made many a friend and have had people actually ask to call me.Others have written to me and I've poured myself out on this board as a person trying to add something positive.Not the negative your two flying bird signals show,and your constant negative posts about the team.Thats your right though.You did'nt have far to fall.As far and me and any other poster.I'll handle my own affairs thankyou.Don't need any help from you.Never will.

I'm a grown ass man with grown kids and paid for home,cars and everything a man could ask for in life(All PRAISE TO GOD).I come here for a relief and to relate to folks I enjoy.So I'll stay out of your way.Could you please do me a favor and stay out of mine?

Why don't we make a pact not to post to each other since thats the way you want to take this? I will promise not to post to anything you say and you can return the favor.I'm not here to impress people or change the way they think.You have made your beliefs known here and I have done the same.Have a nice life.

I'm all for the CARDINALS and peace.So enjoy. I got you on ignore from here on out.PEACE

http://www.nfl.com/players/beaniewells/gamelogs?id=WEL350689

Doug...wow man, you're off your nut. There's too much in the above post to wade through, and the argument will get nowhere, so I'll keep this brief.

One: My avatar is a big 'screw you' to Cards critics. You say childish, and I say funny. My opinion's the one that counts on it.

Two: I laugh in your face about the whole practice issue, at the fact that you suddenly know that I've never played football (bzzz! try again!). I've done two a days several years in my life, and I know EXACTLY what happens in football practices. If you cannot fathom what I mean about not caring about practices as a fan, then you have severe problems with reading comprehension. What happens behind closed doors is mostly unavailable to me and other fans in general. It's not that I don't care that they practice well, it's that I'm not going to worry about what I can't see, hear, or read about. Comprende?

So, whatever issues you had with being supposedly misquoted, or having your sarcasm misunderstood...whatever. I'm tired of arguing it with you. Have fun in your cozy corner of the message board, Doug.

 

[Stout]

I am going to start a club for other big bad meanies such as my self. All I need for anyone to join is your debit card number, the 3 digit number on the back, your SS#, and mothers madian name. Do I have any takers?

I only have one rule, you must give me money.

Okay, you can have my pin number. Ready? I'm not repeating this, so if you don't read it now you won't remember it. It's 5...5....5...5.

 

[Jersey Girl]

I want the guy we should have had all along...Adrian Peterson

Whoever had the final say in drafting Levi should have been fired by now.

I want whoever is gonna make this go away to start.

I want Beanie to get a 75/25 split. His ability to break tackles at the LOS is something this team's missed for a long time. Hightower is a solid third down back, but I believe we've seen enough of him as a starter to determine his impact on the game.

As for the pass protection and receiving, Hightower is the stronger player in those categories, but I don't believe the discrepancy between the two backs is enough to overlook Beanie's superior running skills. Hightower's left a lot of yards on the field in the last couple of games, especially on some outside runs.

Gotta agree. I think it's Beanie's time to shine. Tim definitely has a solid place in this offense though. He has proven he can catch the ball and pick up yards. Like another poster said, I have no problem putting both of them out there. Lets use our weapons and keep them guessing.

 

[Doug]

I think Beanie is gonna be the team leader and star before this season ends.I just think Coach Whiz wants him totally on board with his pass blocking and passing routes totally cleaned up and on the same page as the whole offense.It was a lot to catch up on after missing everything.He also needs to feel comfortable do it and not having to think while he's doing it.

I think Beanie will be the major cog of this team before and into the playoffs with the passing game being secondary to him.Its a lot of weight to put on his shoulders but to expect a rookie to carry a squad for 6 major games is asking a ton.

So everyone thats waiting on Beanie,we're gonna be spoon fed him up until the end of the season and then he'll be let go as the leader of this teams offense,due to the lack of Boldin and Breaston.Fitz of course will get more receptions with teams having to play the run.Maybe we even replace Latui with H.Johnson and get a better long armed pass blocker to help Levi's inside and just let him focus on outside moves.It would really help him out.

Levi is gonna get his turn in a big way before this season is out.Its all due to how fast he picks things up.I'm sure Whiz would'nt waste a talent like that and keep him fresh for the big push that will count.The playoffs.

I also see Early Doucet getting a major change to show what he's learned playing with the first string in practice ALL YEAR LONG before the season is out.Our depth may have a chance to save our season yet.

 

[Buckybird]

I want whoever is gonna make this go away to start.

as long as #75 plays like the underachieving bust he is, it never will