Who here wanted us to draft Lamar Jackson?

[DVontel]

But we had no shot at him but we did have a shot at Jackson, Mahomes, and Watson. I'm not sold on Rosen at all. To me, he's Jake Locker 2.0. He makes 1 or 2 plays a game but otherwise, he's meh.

Sounds like Trubiscuit.

 

[vince56]

This thread has a lot of knee-jerk reactions. I remember articles the first season of baseball expansion in 1998 as well saying Diamondbacks fans would have rather had the Devil Ray's because their season was going so much better. Really, Rosen is the guy, they have to build around him, and it is horribly unfair to judge him with this coaching staff and supporting cast.

 

[BW52]

I like Jackson and glad to see him doing well.He still has much to work on but is improving on the job.That said I like Rosen and think he will be fine when his supporting cast is upgraded from Semi-Pro to NFL standards.In all fairness he has a OLINE consisting of backup players/rookies etc,poor WR corps and no real dual threat TEs.He is surviving and is probably learning a rough lesson and should only help in the future.

 

[Snakester]

Didn’t like him at all to play quarterback and I still don’t.

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

They were right??

They weren't wrong... The knock on Jackson, was that he wasn't a pure passer..
Rosen has 14 int to 10 TD's and can't run to save his life.

 

[Buckybird]

Let’s be real here LJ is still struggling to throw the ball. He may develop but I still have serious doubts!!!

 

[Chopper0080]

I prefer my QBs to be able to throw a football better than they can run it.

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[Jetstream Green]

Unfair comparison as RGIII was ruined by Shannahan. RGIII had great numbers his rookie year(65.6% comp %, 20 TD's to 5 INT's, 102.4 rating) but Shannahan kept on playing him despite a bad knee and he's yet to recover from that.

So how is that unfair. Ok, let's say Shannahan ruined him but he still threw a better ball than Lamar Jackson and he still could not prosper after people got tape on him and he could no longer scramble and you cannot be a franchise QB if you do not learn how to throw a good ball and read a defense because running will get you hurt eventually and that does not make one a long term solution and deserve the title of franchise. Here is one for you, Vince Young was a bigger better version than Lamar Jackson his rookie year, and if one denies this they just are practicing selective amnesia. Now Vince is mentally wacked and Jackson is not. Jackson may have the goods and I had nothing against drafting him but did not think we had a shot getting Rosen and we did. I still prefer a pocket QB and it's up to the Cards to surround him with proper talent to reap the goods. Maybe Lamar morphs into a Randall Cunningham type and learns how to throw better but it's way too soon to say we screwed the pooch not drafting Lamar

 

[juza76]

its more effective then rosen at this point

 

[overseascardfan]

I liked Jackson for this offense because of his running / scrambling ability with the Swiss Cheese OL I knew we would have. Jackson is very similar to Tebow in terms of their college success (both won Heisman Trophies) and early success in NFL. Can Jackson evolve into a better passer? With coaching, sure I guess.

 

[Shane]

They weren't wrong... The knock on Jackson, was that he wasn't a pure passer..
Rosen has 14 int to 10 TD's and can't run to save his life.

And they aren’t right either. Jackson has played 6 games and will likely be out of the league within 4-5 years the way he plays the game. The team he is on from top to bottom is well above the team Rosen has around him. Including the coaching staff. To compare the two at this point and claim the people that wanted him are correct is just beyond silly...

 

[Southpaw]

He throws the ugliest football in the NFL. Reminds me of a trick play where a WR throws a pass after a fake end around jet sweep. The more success he has early the more likely he will get destroyed.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I seem to remember there was at least a few here.

You were right.


For the record, I was neither pro or con LJ...... But hindsight being 20/20... Why the hell wouldn't we draft a mobile QB?...Given the fact that no one in the organization for the last 20+ years has any idea how to put together an offensive line.

I haven't completely given up on Rosen, but if we don't give him an O-line...His max ceiling is a poor mans Carson Palmer.

Since day 1 I wanted Lamar Jackson, and still think he was the best guy to draft for us since he would have been available without trading up (not that trading up to get Rosen cost much).

Water under the bridge now. I do not fault the Cardinals for going after Rosen, I just would have stayed and taken Jackson.

A lot of football and career to go for all the QB's but I was not a fan of Mayfield, and he looks to be the best of the bunch.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Wanted him and Patrick Mahomes last year

I wanted Mahomes in the 2nd, but was a DeShaun Watson guy for a 1st round pick.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I prefer my QBs to be able to throw a football better than they can run it.

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I do to.

I prefer an organization that can put together a functioning offensive line, at least once in 20+ years as well.

Truths:
1. Cardinals cannot construct an offensive line.
2. Cardinals cannot find tight ends.
3. No matter how is kicking they are going to suck the minute they put on an Arizona Cardinals jersey.

 

[Finito]

What were the trade hauls for Mahomes and Watson?

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

I seem to remember there was at least a few here.

You were right.

That would be me...

 

[Timm Rosenbach]

The smart move would have been to move up for Mahomes two years ago...if you are using hindsight

 

[azsouthendzone]

I haven't completely given up on Rosen, but if we don't give him an O-line...His max ceiling is a poor mans Carson Palmer.

I'm hoping for a poor man's Drew Stanton at this point. Carson was amazing. I don't know of Rosen will ever be compared to him.

 

[BW52]

The ripping of Jackson is plain out stupid. The kid is learning on the job just like all the rookie QBs.Some are having early success while others on different situations.Jackson improved every year in college and is a smart kid and willing worker.As for being out of the league in 5 years that can happen too any player due to many factors.Fran Tarkenton lasted 17 years,Mike Vick a long time.Randall Cunningham did too.How many pocket QBs didn't last a long time in the league.Jackson and Rosen will be fine .

 

[PDXChris]

I may have mentioned a few times.

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This sets us up for Bridgewater and Lamar Jackson, which is exactly what I want!

That means that Teddy will not be back then. I would sign him to a 1 year deal as a stop gap while our 1st rounder (Lamar Jackson) sits for a year.

1.Lamar Jackson, QB *
2.Josh Rosen, QB *
3.Connor Williams, OT
4.Baker Mayfield, QB *
5.Calvin Ridley, WR

*Trade up

I said in another thread I'd love Teddy on a one year prove your healthy deal while drafting Lamar Jackson. It's a win-win for both. He plays well, he gets a big payday next year somewhere and we have our QBOTF ready. He doesn't, you throw Larmar to the fire.

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[SoCal Cardfan]

The smart move would have been to move up for Mahomes two years ago...if you are using hindsight

I'm trying to keep it somewhat current... If I lived in the past...we could talk about passing on Brady for 6 rounds.

And for Shane... I think you're missing the narrative... I'm not boldly saying that Jackson is/will be a better NFL QB than Rosen... Just that he would have made our team better, given our ongoing O-line issues.... Are you going to really argue that had Flacco not been injured, they would have the same or better record??

Or are you saying that Rosen is better than Flacco?

 

[Cards_Campos]

Yep defense is carrying that team to the playoffs.

not true. since he has started...they are the number 1 rushing team im the NFL. now mix that with the best defense and yes. great combo

 

[JosiahLee]

My friends all said I was crazy for thinking Baker Mayfield would be the best qb of the class.

When we moved up for Rosen I was pleased, but in the back of my head I thought staying put and selecting Lamar Jackson would have been a solid move...He was riskier than all of the other qbs except for Josh Allen IMO...I thought Jackson’s upside was really high.

 

[Syracusecards]

I seem to remember there was at least a few here.

You were right.


For the record, I was neither pro or con LJ...... But hindsight being 20/20... Why the hell wouldn't we draft a mobile QB?...Given the fact that no one in the organization for the last 20+ years has any idea how to put together an offensive line.

I haven't completely given up on Rosen, but if we don't give him an O-line...His max ceiling is a poor mans Carson Palmer.

me. I wanted to take a flier on Teddy Bridgewater and then draft Lamar Jackson.