who is your big bust in the NFL draft

[Vermont Maverick]

2 firsts!

I have been struggling with this concept, and I saw it your way at first, (and because you make reasonable posts that any thoughtful hockey player would ). But I think it is 3 firsts. Here is why. Instead of a the #2 overall pick in the draft (with which you will select a player), let's say instead the trade was for an actual current player, say his name is Peyton Kolb. So if you trade three #1 picks for Peyton Kolb, are you really only trading two #1 picks? No.

The bottom line is that whether you pay 3 #1 picks for the right to draft RGIII or 3 #1 picks to get current NFL player Peyton Kolb, you are still trading 3 #1 picks for one player If you didn't make the trade, you would have 3 players instead.

 

[crisper57]

SI_PeterKing: Robert Gallery now a Patriot. In 2004, he was picked 2d overall, ahead of Rivers, LFitzgerald, BigBen, Sean Taylor, Wilfork, Steven Jackson. [via Twitter]

 

[52brandon]

2 firsts!

2 more. But including the pick this year, it's 3

 

[Cardiac]

The Redskins traded 3 first rd and 1 2nd rd pick for a 1st rd pick. So the net is 2 firsts and a 2nd.

When the Redskins pick RG3 they will have spent 3 first rd picks and a 2nd for him.

 

[JeffGollin]

The WR(Jeffery). Burfect (no suprise but huge gap between talent and expected production). The 3 top pass rushers (Ingram, Upshaw and Copley) might disappoint - or not. Consider them boom or bust types. Also - most NT's have boom or bust as part of their DNA.

 

[52brandon]

The Redskins traded 3 first rd and 1 2nd rd pick for a 1st rd pick. So the net is 2 firsts and a 2nd.

When the Redskins pick RG3 they will have spent 3 first rd picks and a 2nd for him.

exactly the way I look at it

 

[Buckybird]

exactly the way I look at it

So you guys don't look at the pick the Skins are getting in return? And a better one at that!

If you sold me a ticket to a cards game for $75 & I gave you a hundred, then you gave me $25 back. Did that ticket cost me a $100? I dont think so

 

[52brandon]

So you guys don't look at the pick the Skins are getting in return? And a better one at that!

If you sold me a ticket to a cards game for $75 & I gave you a hundred, then you gave me $25 back. Did that ticket cost me a $100? I dont think so

no, but if I had a ticket that I bought for $75 and you had one that you bought for $25. And I gave you my ticket for yours and $50, after it's all said and done my ticket cost you $75, not $50

 

[Duckjake]

no, but if I had a ticket that I bought for $75 and you had one that you bought for $25. And I gave you my ticket for yours and $50, after it's all said and done my ticket cost you $75, not $50

It's just like the Cards gave up Karlos Dansby and 2nd and 3rd round selections in the 2010 draft to get Daryl Washington.

 

[52brandon]

It's just like the Cards gave up Karlos Dansby and 2nd and 3rd round selections in the 2010 draft to get Daryl Washington.

I don't remember how that draft went down, but I thought the pick we used on Wash was acquired in the Boldin trade?

 

[Phrazbit]

So you guys don't look at the pick the Skins are getting in return? And a better one at that!

If you sold me a ticket to a cards game for $75 & I gave you a hundred, then you gave me $25 back. Did that ticket cost me a $100? I dont think so

Of course pick in return is taken into account, thats where RGIII factors is. Its costing them 3 1st rounders and 1 2nd rounder to draft RGIII. Pretty heavy expectations are going to be on that guy.

I really dont like much of their roster either. They better pray Roy Helu is the real deal because I dont see their other skill players scaring teams. Infact, as Cards fans we ALL better hope this gamble pays off for the Skins, or the Rams are going to get stacked over the next 3 years.

 

[52brandon]

Of course pick in return is taken into account, thats where RGIII factors is. Its costing them 3 1st rounders and 1 2nd rounder to draft RGIII. Pretty heavy expectations are going to be on that guy.

I really dont like much of their roster either. They better pray Roy Helu is the real deal because I dont see their other skill players scaring teams. Infact, as Cards fans we ALL better hope this gamble pays off for the Skins, or the Rams are going to get stacked over the next 3 years.

lol, I hope it pays off for neither of em

 

[Duckjake]

I don't remember how that draft went down, but I thought the pick we used on Wash was acquired in the Boldin trade?

How they got the pick is irrelevant. It still cost the Cards two draft picks to get Daryl Washington. But, hey, I'd trade Cody Brown and Buster Davis for Daryl Washington any day.

 

[Cardiac]

So you guys don't look at the pick the Skins are getting in return? And a better one at that!

If you sold me a ticket to a cards game for $75 & I gave you a hundred, then you gave me $25 back. Did that ticket cost me a $100? I dont think so

I'm not looking at perceived value of the trade just ultimately how many picks they will have spent for RG3. After they have selected RG3 they will have used a 1st rd pick this year and traded away a 2nd and two more 1sts to get into position to draft him. That's 4 picks in total.

We will see how RG3 plays to determine if he was worth all these picks and yes he very well could be worth it.

 

[JAB]

2 more. But including the pick this year, it's 3

As everyone knows the trade was for the Rams first-round pick which is the second pick overall. The Redskins gave up their first round pick the sixth pick overall this season and a second round pick this season and their first round pick for the next two seasons.

Personally, if you're going to say, they gave up three first round picks you have to add, they got a first round pick in exchange. The total loss of first round picks is two. At this point, this trade is simply for draft picks.

Anyway you slice it, the Redskins still have a first round pick this season. If you say the gave up all 3 and did not get one back how do they even pick a player in the first round? So the trade when it's all said and done will be a trade of first round picks this year and two first round picks and a second to move up to get for RG3. Every time I try to add it up the Skins still only net loss two first round picks and the Rams only net gain two first and a second.

 

[jmt]

Robert Griffin III.

Nothing personal against RG III but since he was drafted by Washington I hope he's a bust.

 

[52brandon]

As everyone knows the trade was for the Rams first-round pick which is the second pick overall. The Redskins gave up their first round pick the sixth pick overall this season and a second round pick this season and their first round pick for the next two seasons.

Personally, if you're going to say, they gave up three first round picks you have to add, they got a first round pick in exchange. The total loss of first round picks is two. At this point, this trade is simply for draft picks.

Anyway you slice it, the Redskins still have a first round pick this season. If you say the gave up all 3 and did not get one back how do they even pick a player in the first round? So the trade when it's all said and done will be a trade of first round picks this year and two first round picks and a second to move up to get for RG3. Every time I try to add it up the Skins still only net loss two first round picks and the Rams only net gain two first and a second.

once they draft RG3, they will have spent 3 1sts and a 2nd to get him. I sincerely don't see the conflict in that statement. It's a fact

 

[Buckybird]

once they draft RG3, they will have spent 3 1sts and a 2nd to get him. I sincerely don't see the conflict in that statement. It's a fact

 

[Lorenzo]

Vick doesn't throw like a Pro-Style QB. At least that's what I've seen in the games I've watched him play.

Vick is really unlike any qb I've ever seen. If Rg3 is anywhere near the qb that vick is it will not be a bust. if he is as good or better than vick he will be a star and perhaps the face of the NFL(which vick could have been if he wasn't a ******** the field). vick could have been like peyton manning's status if he would have been a good dude and worked on being the absolute best player and person off the field.

I don't like him as a person at least from his past, I hope he has changed and if so he will be easier to root for. although I'm a cowboys fan so now he plays for the eagles.

I don't watch him much, but he has torched dallas in the pocket and out of the pocket with his arm the last several times that they played. I see vick as a guy who never maximized his potential and has a great arm. for as much dogging(haha) that he gets from fans and media...the dude wins a lot of games and is pretty successful. his problems are off of the field and perhaps not giving 100% effort to improve his game like the great ones do. i think in the end vick will leave the game with regret of what he could have done.

 

[Lorenzo]

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The style might be the same but RGIII is a much better passer than Vick coming out of VA Tech & also Newton IMO. If Griffin can withstand the NFL pounding I think he's a star! Imagine trying to defend RGIII on a Shanahan stable...the play action bootleg.

that's what I've heard. I just wish he wasn't going to the redskins. maybe this will be the guy that the redskins need to finally turn that corner. I'm defintely not rooting for them.

 

[Lorenzo]

Robert Griffin III 15-22-320 yards 2TD vs the NCAA's #14 Defense

Common opponents

Washington Huskies:
RG 24-33-295-1 TD
AL 16-21-169-2TD

OSU Cowboys
RG 33-50-425-2
AL 27-31-347-2

Luck didn't play against any tougher defenses than RGIII. Neither the BigXII nor the PAC12 had more than a couple of teams ranked higher than 60th in total defense.

Both look like really good QBs to me.

I think there is a false perception that luck has played against tougher opposition. it kind of reminds me of the vince young vs matt leinart arguement. both the big 12 and the pac 12 were weak then too(outside of those 2 teams).

neither guy has faced stiff defensive teams and play in weak conferences as far as defense goes. the big 12 is really down now (defensively...offense might be better than ever)
and the teams like texas and chokelahoma are weak defensively right now compared to the way they were over the last decade. both guys are going to be in for a huge change going to the NFL. there is no parity in CFB like there is in the NFL. That's why we see so many star players bust because they go from being men amongst boys to being young men amongst grown men that can do everything that they can and more. both guys are going to very difficult situations. luck has to follow a legend as a rookie and griff has to go to one of the most unstable and ridiculed franchises in the league. combine that with the fact that washington mortgaged their future on him in a sense as well will add a lot of pressure. he seems like a good dude and has no problem stepping up to the challenge. if he can win a heisman trophy at baylor then he has made me a believer. my bust reference is a guess, but it is more to do with the circumstances of him going to washington.

you have to remember that cam newton played in the SEC against future NFL type defensive caliber players every week. that's not a knock on the guys in the other conference because some of them will be good NFL players, but the depth and quality just isn't there in those conferences like the SEC. the big 12 is all about speed on offense and qb's. different than the SEC. one thing that also helped newton is that carolina has some weapons there. deangelo williams at times is elite and steve smith has had a hof type career if you ask me in spite of never playing with a great QB which is really hard for a WR. steve smith is right up there as a game changer compared to the other elite WRs in the game. he can't throw passes to himself.

 

[52brandon]

lol. Am I wrong? That will be exactly their cost for him...

 

[Duckjake]

texas and chokelahoma are weak defensively right now

The Horns Defense finished the season ranked 14th in yards allowed per game. They were 10th before the Baylor game. Oklahoma was 2nd best Big XII team and they ranked 62nd!

 

[Lorenzo]

The Horns Defense finished the season ranked 14th in yards allowed per game. They were 10th before the Baylor game. Oklahoma was 2nd best Big XII team and they ranked 62nd!

when both of those teams were good defensively in the last decade, they were like in the top 5 statistically and it wasn't like a fluke either. they could play any team in the nation and get stops most of the time. the horns defense last year was very porous. I don't know how they finished that high statistically perhaps they had a weak schedule, but in the games I watched against OklaSt, OU, baylor(the only teams worth a darn in their division), etc....they were terrible. texas should be playing defense like an SEC team with the quality of players coming from that state. and to their credit they usually do, but I haven't seen it that last 2 years.

 

[Duckjake]

when both of those teams were good defensively in the last decade, they were like in the top 5 statistically and it wasn't like a fluke either. they could play any team in the nation and get stops most of the time. the horns defense last year was very porous. I don't know how they finished that high statistically perhaps they had a weak schedule, but in the games I watched against OklaSt, OU, baylor(the only teams worth a darn in their division), etc....they were terrible. texas should be playing defense like an SEC team with the quality of players coming from that state. and to their credit they usually do, but I haven't seen it that last 2 years.

Actually Texas hasn't played stellar defense in a long time. Like you point out you can go back to most of their games against top opponents the last 10 years and you'll see high scores by both teams. They've been very much like the Cardinals the past few years. An offense that carried the team for several years, lost their QB, fell off the charts for a season, and rebounded with the Defense carrying the team in 2011.

Odd thing is their individual players do well in the NFL and their Defensive Coordinators become SEC head coaches.