Who starts at QB game 1?

[blindseyed]

Should be the coaches call. I haven't seen anything that suggests that either MB or SK interfere with what happens on the field.

Yeah this isn't the Cowboys lol

 

[Stout]

Similar to the BA regime, I figure Glennon's basically going to be our Stanton. The guy who is active week to week while the rookie sits and learns.

You can't sit your QBOF out and never even dress him in his rookie year. That would be madness.

 

[GuernseyCard]

You can't sit your QBOF out and never even dress him in his rookie year. That would be madness.

Madness ?

He'll be dressed as #46

 

[oaken1]

You can't sit your QBOF out and never even dress him in his rookie year. That would be madness.

right. But they can have Rosen as the game day inactive,...use Glennon as the ingame backup...and if Bradford is hurt, finish the game with Glennon and then start prepping Rosen as starter on Monday morning.


on the bradford for 20mil thing.... its called hedging your bets. By signing Bradford and Glennon early we knew that was the worst we were going to do. It gave us flexibility in the draft and we got lucky and didnt need it...
the only guy we could have signed with bradfords money was who?? andrew norwell?? Keim wasnt gonna pay that kind of money for a guard anyway.... a corner?? Keim isnt going to pay two $10+mil a year corners either, we will see that guy come along when PP21 is nearing his retirement/move to safety...likely gonna draft that corner next year or the following year as PP21 hits 30.

our off season has gone well.we didnt waste money or draft picks....some luck played into it but Keim did his thing of letting it come to him and it worked this year. The best part is, there will be some decent vets cut soon as cap casualties and we are still in position to sign a few of them when it happens

 

[GimmedaBall]

Unoffical count on who starts Game #1 as of post #54:

Bradford = 15 votes
Glennon = 1 vote
Rosen = 0 votes

Overwhelming consensus is for Bradford to be the starter. Only gmabela830 went with Glennon. Since gmabela830 has the final say and last word the starter. . . . is Glennon.

(That's not a bad prediction given Bradford's history with his knee. That pushes the opening game over to the next vet in line which would be Glennon.)

Surprised on one wants to see Rosen in Game 1. The notion is that he sits and 'learns'----not a whole lot of learning going on as the 3rd stringer---does the guy even get a clipboard? Can he study game film of Stanton running down the sideline and doing his famous victory dance? With the reduced pad time allowed in practice---the learning happens with on-the-job training.

No one wants our new QB to get on the field ASAP with Game 1?

 

[Cheesebeef]

A team with a solid shot at the playoffs would take the chance with Bradford if their QB went down. That's what the Vikes did when TB went down and traded with the Eagles for Bradford.

And how did that turn out for them? Or the Eagles for that natter.

QBs get a lot of shots, especially former number 1 pucks, but at a certain point when they prove they can’t really move the needle in O OR stay healthy, they become band-aids and nothing more.

If this team truly though he was a half-decade dude, they would have locked him in, because if they didn’t his price tag would have only skyrocketed if he played well on a one year deal.

IMO, anyway.

 

[Billy Bob]

Bradford!

 

[oaken1]

Unoffical count on who starts Game #1 as of post #54:

Bradford = 15 votes
Glennon = 1 vote
Rosen = 0 votes

Overwhelming consensus is for Bradford to be the starter. Only gmabela830 went with Glennon. Since gmabela830 has the final say and last word the starter. . . . is Glennon.

(That's not a bad prediction given Bradford's history with his knee. That pushes the opening game over to the next vet in line which would be Glennon.)

Surprised on one wants to see Rosen in Game 1. The notion is that he sits and 'learns'----not a whole lot of learning going on as the 3rd stringer---does the guy even get a clipboard? Can he study game film of Stanton running down the sideline and doing his famous victory dance? With the reduced pad time allowed in practice---the learning happens with on-the-job training.

No one wants our new QB to get on the field ASAP with Game 1?

a first round rookie as #3 QB does not get the same treatment as a three year vet at QB #3 or a fifth round rookie at QB #3.

at the very worst Rosen would split the backup snaps with Glennon and in many cases he would get a few practice reps each week with the starter. In that situation Glennon is basically #2 only in name... gameday backup, but will not start games.
Unless Rosen just aint getting it.

I think there is a decent chance we see Rosen start week one. But before that decision can be made we not only need to see his development but also how the oline is playing. Shipley is the only constant, the left side was out with injury and the right side played on different teams last year.

The strength of the running game will likely also affect seeing Rosen on the field. DJ is back but we still dont have a solid known commodity behind him.... I would like to see Keim make a move for CJ Anderson, a bowling ball of a runner who plays hard and has shown the ability to gain yardage behind a questionable line. He would not only benefit us as a backup RB but also as a RB by committee guy,...we can line him up behind the QB and motion DJ into the slot and it doesnt give away the play because both players are a threat. a solid running game with lots of outlets for the rookie QB can help Rosen get on the field sooner..

also, lets not forget the Cardinals are one of the teams who use that new fangled virtual reality tool to help their QB's with game reps. Rosen being a youngster I am sure he will utilize that tool early and often

 

[cardncubfan]

Somebody else who needs his hand held. My point was, if there plan all along was to get a QBOTF and possibly someone who could start right away then signing Bradford to a ridiculous contract was galactically stupid but if Rosen falling into our lap wasn't expected and they expected a QB that needs some seasoning(Jackson) then all is good. My post was abundantly clear on that but again, people like you glean what you want instead of actually reading it.

When multiple people have the same response to your post maybe it's just the post?

 

[cardncubfan]

I don't think Rosen being drafted is any kind of an indicator of new info about Bradford's knee. I think the Cardinals signing Bradford was a prudent move to insure they had a QB this year and perhaps moving forward.

They had no way to know how the draft was going to play out so they couldn't just sit there without a QB until after the draft but I'm sure that Bradford was at best, only penciled in as the "future".

As far as how they should now approach the QB situation, my belief is generally to name a starter and actually commit to him. Division at the QB position rarely nets a positive result IMO. I'd put Bradford as "the" starter and do everything possible to make him successful. There is no downside to Bradford having a good year. If he puts up good numbers and leads the team to wins and hopefully the playoffs, Rosen sitting isn't a bad thing.

I think he knows that & is trying to get controversy on Bradfords knee. Which is perfectly fine contrary to what Zimmer has said.

 

[Jetstream Green]

The whole "the best guy is going to play" is just coach speak. Bradford is starting and Rosen is going to learn from him. Bradford is pure class and we are lucky to have him because I heard after Rosen was drafted, he text him and said he was there for Josh and not to hesitate to come to him on anything... he's there for the kid to help him

 

[Solar7]

You can't sit your QBOF out and never even dress him in his rookie year. That would be madness.

Hey man, I'm no proponent of it, but this franchise hasn't liked to take a lot of risks in the Keim era.

Bradford will likely miss enough games that we'll end up dressing Rosen for a few of them. But do I anticipate us even taking a slight risk in ruining Rosen's confidence in what probably isn't a contending year? No.

The worst possible thing we could do is throw him out there when the team is struggling mightily. The team begins a pretty brutal stretch of games at midseason, where I'd rather see Glennon take the brunt of the losses instead of ensuring Rosen takes 5-7 straight losses.

All assuming Bradford gets hurt, of course.

 

[GimmedaBall]

Darnold into the fire for the Jets:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...-sam-darnold-will-compete-for-starting-qb-gig

Mayfield 3rd on the Cleveland depth chart behind Taylor and our man Stanton:

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2018/04/baker_mayfield_3rd_on_depth_ch.html

Josh Allen at 3rd string but with a chance to win the job:

https://billswire.usatoday.com/2018/04/30/2018-nfl-draft-buffalo-bills-josh-allen-depth-chart/

 

[GimmedaBall]

I don't think Rosen being drafted is any kind of an indicator of new info about Bradford's knee. I think the Cardinals signing Bradford was a prudent move to insure they had a QB this year and perhaps moving forward.

They had no way to know how the draft was going to play out so they couldn't just sit there without a QB until after the draft but I'm sure that Bradford was at best, only penciled in as the "future".

As far as how they should now approach the QB situation, my belief is generally to name a starter and actually commit to him. Division at the QB position rarely nets a positive result IMO. I'd put Bradford as "the" starter and do everything possible to make him successful. There is no downside to Bradford having a good year. If he puts up good numbers and leads the team to wins and hopefully the playoffs, Rosen sitting isn't a bad thing.

We sign Bradford. Then word comes out that the Cards are going to have a 'great plan' to nurse Bradford along:

http://www.espn.com/blog/arizona-ca...an-to-bring-along-sam-bradford-this-offseason

Then Cards make the move to draft Rosen.

I think it is a legitimate question if Cards understanding of Bradford's health/knee issue had any influence on drafting Rosen. They could have taken numerous players at #15---even solved the annual CB2 issue. Instead, they bring in yet another QB behind our two veteran QBs.

I think he knows that & is trying to get controversy on Bradfords knee. Which is perfectly fine contrary to what Zimmer has said.

I believe I am the 'he' in the above cardncubfan quote. The question regarding any possible new insight into Bradford's knee is not simply to create 'controversy.'
Given the cap space allocated to the two vet QBs it is a legitimate question as to why SK spent that much and still went with a QB in the draft (who has his own health issues besides).

 

[GimmedaBall]

A lot of the posts are looking at Bradford as 'point man' on patrol in order to keep the precious rookie underwraps and on the bench so he can 'sit and learn.'

Where are all those who demanded a QBOTF in this draft---but are silent against the opinion of those who want to keep Rosen on the bench?

You got a QBOTF---why aren't you demanding that he play starting with Game 1? Are you happy with a CBHOTF (Clip Board Holder of the Future?) The $$$ in Bradford and Glennon is no longer relevant the moment the Cards turned in Rosen's name on their draft card.

Got to get the learning curve and all the rookie mistakes and Ints and bad decisions out of the way. They will happen in Game 5 if that is his first start as sure as they will happen if Game 1 is his first start. Getting Bradford's legs ripped off first is not going to change that learning curve for Rosen. Swallow the losses. It's what needs to happen when you demand a QBOTF.

 

[Cheesebeef]

A lot of the posts are looking at Bradford as 'point man' on patrol in order to keep the precious rookie underwraps and on the bench so he can 'sit and learn.'

Where are all those who demanded a QBOTF in this draft---but are silent against the opinion of those who want to keep Rosen on the bench?

You got a QBOTF---why aren't you demanding that he play starting with Game 1? Are you happy with a CBHOTF (Clip Board Holder of the Future?) The $$$ in Bradford and Glennon is no longer relevant the moment the Cards turned in Rosen's name on their draft card.

Got to get the learning curve and all the rookie mistakes and Ints and bad decisions out of the way. They will happen in Game 5 if that is his first start as sure as they will happen if Game 1 is his first start. Getting Bradford's legs ripped off first is not going to change that learning curve for Rosen. Swallow the losses. It's what needs to happen when you demand a QBOTF.

I’m fine with whatever decision the Cards make here.

Yes... this is Cheese. No... someone did not hack my account.

 

[oaken1]

A lot of the posts are looking at Bradford as 'point man' on patrol in order to keep the precious rookie underwraps and on the bench so he can 'sit and learn.'

Where are all those who demanded a QBOTF in this draft---but are silent against the opinion of those who want to keep Rosen on the bench?

You got a QBOTF---why aren't you demanding that he play starting with Game 1? Are you happy with a CBHOTF (Clip Board Holder of the Future?) The $$$ in Bradford and Glennon is no longer relevant the moment the Cards turned in Rosen's name on their draft card.

Got to get the learning curve and all the rookie mistakes and Ints and bad decisions out of the way. They will happen in Game 5 if that is his first start as sure as they will happen if Game 1 is his first start. Getting Bradford's legs ripped off first is not going to change that learning curve for Rosen. Swallow the losses. It's what needs to happen when you demand a QBOTF.

why ya tryin to start poo? Yes, most of us wanted a QBOTF...and now we have him. Pretty sure those of us that wanted him so badly also want just as badly to not see him ruined by poor management.

If he is ready and the oline is decent then by all means start him day one. But that history that yourself and others liked to quote in regards to trades also shows that young guys who are thrown in too soon can be ruined from it.

Right now we have no idea what kind of rushing attack or pass protection we have. Until we know that it makes zero sense to throw Rosen in there when we have Bradford to sacrifice instead.

I am fine with Rosen starting week one. I am also fine with him sitting this entire season until the staff is sure the time is right. Not just based on his own development but also the protection we can give him and the running game we can provide to make his transition easier.

The entire point in having a QBOTF...is to actually have a QB in the future. Not to just throw some poor college kid to the wolves and watch him be devoured.

is that what you're hoping for? To see the kid be destroyed? Then you can announce to everyone how once again trading up in the first round is a huge mistake?

Letting him learn and develop and then putting him in the best situation to succeed is better for him as well as the team. Thats what they need to do.

 

[moklerman]

We sign Bradford. Then word comes out that the Cards are going to have a 'great plan' to nurse Bradford along:

http://www.espn.com/blog/arizona-ca...an-to-bring-along-sam-bradford-this-offseason

Then Cards make the move to draft Rosen.

I think it is a legitimate question if Cards understanding of Bradford's health/knee issue had any influence on drafting Rosen. They could have taken numerous players at #15---even solved the annual CB2 issue. Instead, they bring in yet another QB behind our two veteran QBs.



I believe I am the 'he' in the above cardncubfan quote. The question regarding any possible new insight into Bradford's knee is not simply to create 'controversy.'
Given the cap space allocated to the two vet QBs it is a legitimate question as to why SK spent that much and still went with a QB in the draft (who has his own health issues besides).

I'm just skeptical of Bradford's knee being any different between when the Cardinals gave him his physical and when they drafted Rosen. While it's true they traded up, it isn't like they did it in desperate fashion. They essentially spent nothing to get their #2 rated QB. I think the only potential surprise in this scenario is that Rosen was within reach on draft day.

Bradford has been kept out of activities and they are taking it really slowly with him to try and prolong whatever health they can get out of him. I suppose it's possible they are trying to cover up and/or make up for a mistake in their diagnosis of his knee but it doesn't seem likely to me. I'm confident they would have been thorough before they signed him.

Also, signing Glennon makes me think that the Cardinals really didn't anticipate having a shot at any of the QB's they liked. If they did, they maybe sign Bradford but not both him and Glennon. If they really thought they had a chance at a top QB in the draft, they sign only Glennon and let him re-live what he went through in Chicago. No, I think they were going to go with Bradford/Glennon as the plan for this year and then reevaluate next year. If Bradford did well/stayed healthy, they extend him and let him continue to prove he can perform and stay healthy. A risky plan considering his history but plausible. More so than overspending and/or overreaching for a QB in the draft.

A top guy fell far enough to change that plan. Nothing nefarious IMO.

 

[GimmedaBall]

Does a QBOTF mean he is not going to play until WAY into the future . . . in some galaxy far, far away. The future is NOW, not 2019. We play in 2018. That 1st round pick has got to help us win NOW.

The talking head evaluation that is often repeated on this fan forum of Rosen was that he was the most 'pro-ready' QB in the draft. So how do you go from the most 'pro-ready' to sitting for a year? How does a 1st round QB now become some poor college kid that is getting thrown to the wolves? Every QB that steps on the field---even Grandpa Brady---is getting thrown to the wolves.

I'll repeat the question that has me puzzled: Where are all of those who argued so strongly that we draft a QB, make the move up by trading multiple picks (Oaken1 even proposed trading 3 #1's, others argued for trading 'whatever it takes') and, now that we got a guy that a lot of forum members think is the best choice for the Cards, the best this, the best that, yada-yada-yada---that guy is going to sit??? When did Rosen suddenly turn into fragile and precious china? Let Bradford get his legs twisted off (Oaken1 wants to 'sacrifice' Bradford), let Glennon blow a couple games, then insert Rosen? How is that going to increase his confidence??? Two down for the count, now put down that clipboard and stop sitting and learning and go in there and salvage a 3-13 season?

With a rook QB, Cards will have to anticipate and accept that he will blow some games, make mistakes that cost us, blow our chances for a year. . . or two. It has to start sometime, sooner rather than later.

The surrounding team will always have issues and questions. If you want to use the current questions about our roster as a rationale to not start the QBOTF, you can extend that into all the years following. No team, including the Cards, will ever have a perfect roster for the new QB. When have the Cards EVER had a dominant OL? The nearest to that answer that I can think of was the 'Cardiac Cards' under Don Coryell---are you wanting to wait for that kind of OL to be brought in before Rosen plays? Besides, our final roster will never be more healthy than they will be from Game 1---guys will start dropping out (Bradford sacrificed a few games in at most). Do you want to wait until key starters are on IR or dinged up before you start Rosen? Do you want to wait until next year when current guys retire, leave in FA, get cut, etc. All that sitting and learning the current roster will have to be started over again for Rosen---does he sit and learn next year as well? Does he not get to play with Fitz should Fitz pack it up next season?

My preference was the young vet at QB: Alex Smith, Kirk Cousins, Bradford. We signed Bradford and I was looking to the draft for the CB2, a Vita Vea to solidify the DL, a dominant OL guard, etc. Instead, we take a QBOTF. The cost was relatively cheap and I am fine with that since we didn't pay through the draft choice nose, so . . . why the hesitation to play him? If you don't improve the roster in support of Bradford/Glennon, you got to play to guy you took instead. Rosen indicates (to me at least) that SK is changing gears and not going to plug a vet QB in for the long haul---so why the hesitation to play him? Bradford is just a bridge at this point---might as well cross over it beginning with Game 1.

Where are you Stout? You argued long and hard for a QBOTF but now are not even speaking up to have him start Game 1? Ditto Sissyboy---ready to leave the forum because you were so sick of not getting a QBOTF????

I'm not calling for Rosen to be destroyed---I'm wondering why the QBOTF is not being allowed to be the QBOTF. Your #1 pick in the draft that cost a #3 and a #5 to obtain and who left a major need unfilled---has to earn his keep sooner rather than later. If you wanted him---put him in the game. There's no dancing around it by saying you're OK with what the Cards decide on when to play Rosen. If you went all in for him to get drafted, you can't be happy if he's forced to sit and learn. He's not some delicate Christmas gift that you only get out of the box . . . next year.

Or maybe if you let him 'sit and learn' you can celebrate the QBOTF without having him get on the field and prove it? Or maybe not prove it??

 

[moklerman]

Does a QBOTF mean he is not going to play until WAY into the future . . . in some galaxy far, far away. The future is NOW, not 2019. We play in 2018. That 1st round pick has got to help us win NOW.

The talking head evaluation that is often repeated on this fan forum of Rosen was that he was the most 'pro-ready' QB in the draft. So how do you go from the most 'pro-ready' to sitting for a year? How does a 1st round QB now become some poor college kid that is getting thrown to the wolves? Every QB that steps on the field---even Grandpa Brady---is getting thrown to the wolves.

I'll repeat the question that has me puzzled: Where are all of those who argued so strongly that we draft a QB, make the move up by trading multiple picks (Oaken1 even proposed trading 3 #1's, others argued for trading 'whatever it takes') and, now that we got a guy that a lot of forum members think is the best choice for the Cards, the best this, the best that, yada-yada-yada---that guy is going to sit??? When did Rosen suddenly turn into fragile and precious china? Let Bradford get his legs twisted off (Oaken1 wants to 'sacrifice' Bradford), let Glennon blow a couple games, then insert Rosen? How is that going to increase his confidence??? Two down for the count, now put down that clipboard and stop sitting and learning and go in there and salvage a 3-13 season?

With a rook QB, Cards will have to anticipate and accept that he will blow some games, make mistakes that cost us, blow our chances for a year. . . or two. It has to start sometime, sooner rather than later.

The surrounding team will always have issues and questions. If you want to use the current questions about our roster as a rationale to not start the QBOTF, you can extend that into all the years following. No team, including the Cards, will ever have a perfect roster for the new QB. When have the Cards EVER had a dominant OL? The nearest to that answer that I can think of was the 'Cardiac Cards' under Don Coryell---are you wanting to wait for that kind of OL to be brought in before Rosen plays? Besides, our final roster will never be more healthy than they will be from Game 1---guys will start dropping out (Bradford sacrificed a few games in at most). Do you want to wait until key starters are on IR or dinged up before you start Rosen? Do you want to wait until next year when current guys retire, leave in FA, get cut, etc. All that sitting and learning the current roster will have to be started over again for Rosen---does he sit and learn next year as well? Does he not get to play with Fitz should Fitz pack it up next season?

My preference was the young vet at QB: Alex Smith, Kirk Cousins, Bradford. We signed Bradford and I was looking to the draft for the CB2, a Vita Vea to solidify the DL, a dominant OL guard, etc. Instead, we take a QBOTF. The cost was relatively cheap and I am fine with that since we didn't pay through the draft choice nose, so . . . why the hesitation to play him? If you don't improve the roster in support of Bradford/Glennon, you got to play to guy you took instead. Rosen indicates (to me at least) that SK is changing gears and not going to plug a vet QB in for the long haul---so why the hesitation to play him? Bradford is just a bridge at this point---might as well cross over it beginning with Game 1.

Where are you Stout? You argued long and hard for a QBOTF but now are not even speaking up to have him start Game 1? Ditto Sissyboy---ready to leave the forum because you were so sick of not getting a QBOTF????

I'm not calling for Rosen to be destroyed---I'm wondering why the QBOTF is not being allowed to be the QBOTF. Your #1 pick in the draft that cost a #3 and a #5 to obtain and who left a major need unfilled---has to earn his keep sooner rather than later. If you wanted him---put him in the game. There's no dancing around it by saying you're OK with what the Cards decide on when to play Rosen. If you went all in for him to get drafted, you can't be happy if he's forced to sit and learn. He's not some delicate Christmas gift that you only get out of the box . . . next year.

Or maybe if you let him 'sit and learn' you can celebrate the QBOTF without having him get on the field and prove it? Or maybe not prove it??

Something important you didn't address that I think is paramount in the decision, installing a new system. Maybe Rosen takes it all in and can start week 1 but I think that is a lot to ask of a rookie in general and especially to a team where the other players are having to learn too.

Bradford is an old pro at acclimating to new systems and he's going to be hard for any rookie to beat out in limited snaps. So, do you give Rosen all the first team reps that he would likely need to even have a chance as the week 1 starter? Seems awfully risky and irresponsible of the coaching staff IMO. I would guess that most vets aren't too keen about the idea of sacrificing a season just to get a rookie QB up to speed. Does the coach risk his credibility by bowing to a draft slot or does he put the best players on the field and give everyone their best chance of winning games?

This is a critical time for Wilks and his future as the HC. Starting a rookie QB if he isn't the best option is a big risk. In the short term, I don't see any way Rosen can beat out a healthy Bradford for opening day starter. Bradford is everything Rosen is in terms of physical ability but with years of experience. If he's healthy, he'll easily win the job and the best player(s) should play.

 

[GimmedaBall]

Something important you didn't address that I think is paramount in the decision, installing a new system. Maybe Rosen takes it all in and can start week 1 but I think that is a lot to ask of a rookie in general and especially to a team where the other players are having to learn too.

Bradford is an old pro at acclimating to new systems and he's going to be hard for any rookie to beat out in limited snaps. So, do you give Rosen all the first team reps that he would likely need to even have a chance as the week 1 starter? Seems awfully risky and irresponsible of the coaching staff IMO. I would guess that most vets aren't too keen about the idea of sacrificing a season just to get a rookie QB up to speed. Does the coach risk his credibility by bowing to a draft slot or does he put the best players on the field and give everyone their best chance of winning games?

This is a critical time for Wilks and his future as the HC. Starting a rookie QB if he isn't the best option is a big risk. In the short term, I don't see any way Rosen can beat out a healthy Bradford for opening day starter. Bradford is everything Rosen is in terms of physical ability but with years of experience. If he's healthy, he'll easily win the job and the best player(s) should play.

Great points. Question still remains regarding starting the QBOTF despite all the reasons you point out. Like I said, I was all-in on Bradford but now that we got Rosen---why not start him and deal with the learning curve?

Both SW and SK have four years to make it work. Because both Bradford and Glennon are vets, you could give Rosen the most snaps toward him starting. I think the plan is to limit Bradford anyway.

Another aspect regarding Rosen that I didn't mention was his self-confidence---some say cocky and arrogant. That will be to his advantage dealing with playing and making the inevitable mistakes---it will be to his disadvantage if he has to 'sit and learn.'

 

[moklerman]

Great points. Question still remains regarding starting the QBOTF despite all the reasons you point out. Like I said, I was all-in on Bradford but now that we got Rosen---why not start him and deal with the learning curve?

Both SW and SK have four years to make it work. Because both Bradford and Glennon are vets, you could give Rosen the most snaps toward him starting. I think the plan is to limit Bradford anyway.

Another aspect regarding Rosen that I didn't mention was his self-confidence---some say cocky and arrogant. That will be to his advantage dealing with playing and making the inevitable mistakes---it will be to his disadvantage if he has to 'sit and learn.'

I think it's pretty simple. You don't start a rookie QB behind a new o-line in a new system when you don't have to. I think we all agree that there is always a learning curve but that doesn't mean all learning curves are the same. Putting a rookie QB on an offense that hasn't gotten comfortable itself is going to be a far different situation than putting him in there later in the year or even next year after they've started to gel.

It's the difference between an offense rallying around an inexperienced player and nursing him along and the proverbial Chinese fire drill. Maybe that chaos would chisel him into a hardened diamond of a QB but realistically, it would do more harm than good. The Cardinals are in a fortunate situation where they don't have to start their QBOTF from day one and they will likely take advantage of it. They have a great QB's room and coaching staff(not sure about the system itself) and Rosen will benefit from learning.

I question the benefits to a rookie QB starting for an unestablished offense. There are examples of QB's surviving and pulling through but there are far more examples of QB's who were "ruined".

 

[JCSunsfan]

I do know that by the fall of 2019 Rosen will be the starting QB. One year to transition is not a bad thing, especially for a 21 year old.

Bradford is on a one year deal.

 

[GimmedaBall]

Here's the list of QBs selected in the NFL draft culled from the Pro-Football Reference database:

https://www.pro-football-reference....]=qb&conference=any&show=all&order_by=default

Scan the list and see for yourself how many QBs have started Day 1.

As to the objection that you don't put a rook QB on the field with a new O----guess what: Every single rook QB is stepping on the field with a new O and new teammates. Cards have vet players along their OL. If any group is going to be able to put it together it will be the vets.

We can't wait for them to gel---that is an organic learning process that has to include the QB they are supposed to gel with. If they play with Bradford until he is sacrificed, their learning curve to play together has been with Bradford, not with Rosen.

It will be up to our coaching staff to develop a playbook that will maximize what Rosen can do. McCoy needs to look at Rosen's college playbook and tailor the game plan to what Rosen can already do. Get him into the game and let him gel/learn with his OL and his receivers. The playbook is new to everyone on this team---even young vets like Bradford (who has been through the Jeff Fisher hell meat grinder of offensive playbooks and OCs) will be learning a new system.

Consider Wentz, Watson, Kizer from last year. Is our guy Rosen at least as competent or as good as those three? They all played in Game 1: Watson in for Savage in a loss, Wentz beat Washington, Kizer in a close L to Steelers 21-18.

I honestly don't get the reluctance (fear?) on playing our new QB. He may succeed or he may crash and burn. We just got to find out, sooner rather than later. It's like buying a new car and putting it in the garage and never taking it out for a spin---there's gravel on the road that may put a nick in the paint, there's a pigeon in the tree that is going to drop some birdie doo on the hood, some jerk at Wal-Mart is going to bang against the car with a shopping cart, yada-yada-yada.

But just look at that new car under the plastic sheet in the closed garage.

 

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I do know that by the fall of 2019 Rosen will be the starting QB. One year to transition is not a bad thing, especially for a 21 year old.

Bradford is on a one year deal.

How do you know that Rosen will be the starting QB in 2019? You really don't.

What happens if Bradford isn't sacrificed but plays like he did in his first game last year with the Vikes. Say a KW miracle occurs and Bradford gets us deep into the playoffs. Do you still toss him overboard for a guy that hasn't played---do you have the same confidence in Rosen that Reid has in Mahomes to discard Alex Smith?

If the answer is 'Yes' why fart around with a year transition---put the guy out on the field, let him take his lumps as the team gels around him, let him have a HOF WR to work with, a returning and healthy DJ.

Where did the notion come from that Rosen is worthy of being a first-round QB but not ready to play in Game 1?

(Believe there is an option on Bradford for 2019.)