Who will be our RB#2 ?

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What are your thoughts on who should be our back up RB for Emmitt (or did we find a RB#1 tonight) ?
Would love to see A. Cason in the backfield to see what he can do ?
Maybe we should keep 4 RB's and put L. Croom on the P.S.
 

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It'll be

Smith, Scobey or Hambrick and Croom.
i think hambrick might take two, but scoobs did alot tonight thaty I haven't seen so far this year.
I don't think they chance Croom on the practice squad, because the have to cut him don't they? He won't fly under anyone's radar.
 

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Hambrick is #2

Scobey is cut along with Cason

with Anderson #3 and Croom on practice Squad
 

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Ryanwb said:
Hambrick is #2

Scobey is cut along with Cason

with Anderson #3 and Croom on practice Squad

I agree Hambrick will be #2 and Croom on the practice squad if another team doesn't grab him.

But, no way Scobey gets cut IMO. He's played very, very well on special teams. Good enough to get a roster spot for that alone. I think the choice will be between Cason and Anderson and I really don't know how that will go. They might cut both of them and keep Newhouse the WR.
 

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In post game, MJ felt it will be Smith, Hambrick and Scobey with Cason or Croom on PS, sorry Damien. Hope a good team gets him.
 

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ajcardfan said:
I agree Hambrick will be #2 and Croom on the practice squad if another team doesn't grab him.

But, no way Scobey gets cut IMO. He's played very, very well on special teams. Good enough to get a roster spot for that alone. I think the choice will be between Cason and Anderson and I really don't know how that will go. They might cut both of them and keep Newhouse the WR.
Yeah I'm going to agree with you....

I guess it was a telling story of who was on the field tonight.... Scobey got some reps, Anderson really didn't.....
 
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It might make sense to keep Smith, Hambrick, Scobey (esp. for his ST. capability), and Cason. I think Denny sees Emmitt as fragile and will ask Hambrick to shoulder a large load with Cason probably playing 'change of pace' and 3rd down. Cason excelled at that role when given the opportunity in Detroit and Dallas. Damien Anderson may be chosen over L. Croom if Denny feels Croom could clear waivers and make the practice squad.

My instincts (which are often screwed up) tell me that Denny is watching the Pittsburg Steelers. The Steelers are expected to release either W. Parker or V. Haynes. Haynes being the most likely candidate.
If Haynes is cut, then I suspect Denny will grab him, dump Hambrick, and use Scobey in special teams and short distance.
The line up would then be Smith, Haynes, Scobey, Anderson and Croom on practice Squad.
I really feel that Denny will keep 4 RB's simply because of the punishment the position will take this year (bad o-line) and Emmitt's propensity to be hurt.
If Denny were to be totally revoluntionary and truly wanted to establish a solid foundation... he would keep Hambrick, Scobey, Anderson and Croom. (Replacing Hambrick with V. Haynes when he gets cut) and cut Emmitt Smith.
Emmitt may look good playing one or two snaps, but his body has been pounded for too long by too many DB's. It's time for him to retire and leave the game. He's simply a roster space then DG needs for a youth movement aimed at speed and agility... neither of which Emmitt has any more at age 35 (closer to 60 after playing RB for so long). Emmitt would make and excellent special consultant to the running back coach... but his days of putting fear into opposing defenses is LONG gone !
If your RB does not make the opposing defense at least game plan to stop the run... then your pass offense is going to be stymied... Emmitt really is a big part of the problem (Emmitt is not part of the solution and one of the promising younger backs may get cut because of his hanging around eating up roster space and chewing up cap dollars).
If the cardinals could somehow manage to pick up Haynes and keep Hambrick, Scobey and Anderson and sign Croom to the PS. They would have a formidable backfield that would actually provide great versatility (power, speed, agility, and pass catching ability) and force opposing teams to game plan against the run. This would open up the aerial attack with Fitz., Boldin and the cast of promising WR's. Without a running game our WR's are going to be clobbered all year and constantly seeing the doctor.
 

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jstadvl said:
I don't think they chance Croom on the practice squad, because the have to cut him don't they? He won't fly under anyone's radar.


The only way Croom doesnt make it under the radar is if some of the posters on this board all of a sudden become GM's. Only a few people on here think he has shown anything of football value.
 

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this kid will be very good, I agreed with you on Kasper, I said Pace will become special, and others. If you don't see it with this kid your missing him.
That's good, because if you don't see it, maybe he will fly under the radar, because GM's won't.
BTW, all Kool aide drinking aside, you'd be suprised, in a realistic setting, how many posters on this board, Aiders-D-siders and tweeners, are great evaluators of talent and have good football minds.
 

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I think they risk trying to put Croom to the PS, just because so many teams will also be trying to squeeze their guy onto the PS. Very few would actually have room for a guy whos only done good against the other teams 3rd team.

He's just too much of a risk to place onto a teams 53 man roster when you haven't really seen enough of him against quality competation.

Instead, you'll see teams picking up some older vets like one of the Oakland RB cuts, because I think they still cut another one.
 
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I think you're right Antsportsteve. Croom is good PS material. I'm not sold on Hambrick, he was running against only 2 of Denvers regular starters, and if you take away his 30 yard scamper, he only managed 7 yards on 8 carries. Scobey actually showed more consistant gains.. 6 yarder, 8 yarder, 4 yarder, etc.

These are the kind of runs that are needed to wear down opposing defenses and give the Cards defense and chance to refresh on the sidelines.
I still think Denny needs to watch for W. Parker or V. Haynes as waiver wire pickups... I'd be very excited if the Cards got Haynes... otherwise Hambrick will have to do.
McCoo in Phillie will also be released... he was the MVP of NFL Europes championship game and has played exceptionally well during the preseason... he would also be a great upgrade.
 

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I think you're right Antsportsteve. Croom is good PS material. I'm not sold on Hambrick, he was running against only 2 of Denvers regular starters, and if you take away his 30 yard scamper, he only managed 7 yards on 8 carries. .


Barry Sanders went to the hall of fame running just like this. Id love to have a rb that can jog off a quick 30 yards.
 
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Rushing stats:

Player Carries Yards Avg. Long TD
Larry Croom 30 103 3.4 13 1
Josh McCown 14 68 4.9 16 0
Damien Anderson 20 64 3.2 29 0
Emmitt Smith 14 56 4.0 11 0
Josh Scobey 20 46 2.3 8 2
Troy Hambrick 9 37 4.1 30 0
Shaun King 5 32 6.4 12 0
Fabian Davis 3 4 1.3 6 0
Karl Williams 1 4 4.0 4 0
John Navarre 1 -2 -2.0 -2 0
 

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swd1974 said:
Barry Sanders went to the hall of fame running just like this. Id love to have a rb that can jog off a quick 30 yards.
obviously you're not comparing hambrick to Sanders, but the concept is still misleading too. Sanders was a threat to do that on every play, and often did. Hambrick is lucky to get a 30yd run in every couple of games. I'm VERY not sold on this guy. he's an average talent at best, and he's a complete ass.
 

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CardLogic said:
Player Carries Yards Avg. Long TD
Larry Croom 30 103 3.4 13 1
Josh McCown 14 68 4.9 16 0
Damien Anderson 20 64 3.2 29 0
Emmitt Smith 14 56 4.0 11 0
Josh Scobey 20 46 2.3 8 2
Troy Hambrick 9 37 4.1 30 0
Shaun King 5 32 6.4 12 0
Fabian Davis 3 4 1.3 6 0
Karl Williams 1 4 4.0 4 0
John Navarre 1 -2 -2.0 -2 0

I loved the run where Hambrick needed one yard and literally ran over the defender...he did look a bit soft around the midsection but considering he had only 1 practice with the team I actually liked what I saw from Hambrick..
 

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swd1974 said:
The only way Croom doesnt make it under the radar is if some of the posters on this board all of a sudden become GM's. Only a few people on here think he has shown anything of football value.


LMAO :D
 

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I don't understand the bashing of Hambrick. He is a big bruising runner that will complement Emmitt perfectly. Try to catch the shifty runner and tire the D out. Bring in Hambrick to run their tired butts over. Hambrick is the type of runner that will get only a yard or two for five or six carries in a row...then he'll gash a thirty yarder or more. Just like he did last night. As a starting RB that is not good. But for Hambrick's role, it is perfect. This is what we need. I don't care about the Smith and Hambrick clash in Dallas. Hambrick has taken his lumps, and I honestly believe Hambrick is here because of Emmitt.
 

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Look guys, I think this is a no-brainer. There is only room for 5 backs because we'll keep all three TEs.

RBs: Emmitt Smith, Troy Hambrick, Josh Scobey
FBs: Ayanbadejo and Josh Rue or a waiver wire pickup.
 

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Skkorpion said:
Look guys, I think this is a no-brainer. There is only room for 5 backs because we'll keep all three TEs.

RBs: Emmitt Smith, Troy Hambrick, Josh Scobey
FBs: Ayanbadejo and Josh Rue or a waiver wire pickup.

Looks about right to me
 

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Skkorpion said:
Look guys, I think this is a no-brainer. There is only room for 5 backs because we'll keep all three TEs.

RBs: Emmitt Smith, Troy Hambrick, Josh Scobey
FBs: Ayanbadejo and Josh Rue or a waiver wire pickup.

Agree! I think Anderson is odd man out. Scobey makes it because of Special Teams only. Croom is only the most rabbid, blinded "true" fan, you know the Preston Parsons....awwwwww, sorry about that...... :hulk: :) ;) :cool: :D
 

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Ohio Cards Fan said:
I don't understand the bashing of Hambrick. He is a big bruising runner that will complement Emmitt perfectly. Try to catch the shifty runner and tire the D out. Bring in Hambrick to run their tired butts over. Hambrick is the type of runner that will get only a yard or two for five or six carries in a row...then he'll gash a thirty yarder or more. Just like he did last night. As a starting RB that is not good. But for Hambrick's role, it is perfect. This is what we need. I don't care about the Smith and Hambrick clash in Dallas. Hambrick has taken his lumps, and I honestly believe Hambrick is here because of Emmitt.

Nobody is bashing his talent. It's his effort and ego and all-round knuckleheadedness that make him a risk. The guy can be a good RB - if and when he chooses.
 

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Smith, Hambrick, and ? are much better than Smith, Scobey, and Anderson. We would have been dead last in the NFL in rushing had we not signed Hambrick.
 

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swd1974 said:
The only way Croom doesnt make it under the radar is if some of the posters on this board all of a sudden become GM's. Only a few people on here think he has shown anything of football value.


Value?

Come on. He has certainly proven that at the very least he deserves a shot at the PS. No one is saying keep him on the roster or start him, but to say he has no value is assinine!

Not every guy has to perform like Quan as a rookie to have value!! :rolleyes:
 

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I'm going to say it now. I will go on a limb and say CROOM MAKES THE 53 MAN ROSTER!!!
 
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