Who would you take for Suns? A C or SG?

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Thanks.

Hopefully Pietrus or Delfino won't prove me wrong especially if Suns will take Delfino over Pietrus.
 
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Originally posted by Chris_Sanders
What I meant by Dewayne Wade being Tony Delk is that he is a undersized SG (6'4), which the Suns don't need.

In fact, I wouldn't even list SG as a Suns need. If you combined Penny and JJ's stats, I think you would see that our SG situation is fine. I also believe that JJ and Casey will continue to progress.

Dwayne Wade has an enormous wingspan that makes up for his heigth. He is pretty similar to Gilbert Arenas when he entered the draft and since Joe Johnson and Penny can play some PG as well they wouldn' give up height if Wade can't make the transition to PG.

I think the suns should just draft the most talented player available regardless of position. Penny and JJ can both play 1,2,3 so if they pick another SG that would almost be the same as drafting a SF or PG anyway.

Right now I really like Ndudi Ebi. He was rated as the 2nd best highschooler behind Lebron James has desire and work ethic.
And he is comitted to UofA which is a good sign imo.

ESPN has us taking Ebi at #17.
I also like the other highschool kids, Sofoklis, Barbosa, Delfino, Nelson, Thomas and Hayes.
I can't make up my mind about Diaw and Pietrus right now. They are young and athletic and a lot will come down to workouts.
 

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ESPN is totally overrating Ebi. He doesn't belong in the 1st round.

Definitely ESPN's love affair with high school kids blossoming.
 

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ESPN is having a love affair with highschool kids?

Is that why Ebi at #17 is the only one in the first round besides Lebron James?

That's pretty ironic considering that ESPN has pages full of european scouting trips and TWELVE foreign picks in the first round.

I can find almost NONE information on other highschool players except Lebron James on ESPN or Insider.

I was basing my opinion on what Justin Young posted on him on another draft board and other sources like
http://basketballphenoms.com/classof2003.htm

He is not 6'10 however. If he was he'd probably be a top pick no matter what. He is about 6'8 200lbs.
 

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It would also be possible that the Suns draft Ebi and don't sign him for next season so he can go to UofA. We would still have his rights until 1 year after his college days.

Andy Katz on Ebi
Ndudi Ebi
High School: Houston Westbury Christian
Class: Senior | Position: Forward | Ht: 6-10 | Wt: 195
2002-03 Stats: 23.3 ppg | 11.6 rpg
Andy Katz's take: This was Arizona's worst fear. Ebi has a legitimate chance to go in the first round. Ebi has the skills to tantalize pro scouts. He could still go to Arizona, but the Wildcats will have to wait and see if he's a first-round draft pick. If he is, then he'll stay in the draft. If he's not, then the Wildcats need to make that clear before June 19. Ebi can go through the draft, get picked and still go to college, but an NBA team would own his rights until a year after his eligibility expires.
Draft Projection: Late first to second round.
 

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I don't think the Phoenix Suns are looking for anybody to leave in college or high school. They might draft somebody on potential, but I think they'll draft someone who can at least help off of the bench next season.

That's my $.02.

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Here's a nice and long article on Ebi that is almost a year old. His attitude should remind you of someone we know pretty well.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/college/news/2002/07/16/peach_jam/

NORTH AUGUSTA, S.C. -- Ndudi Ebi has LeBron James on the brain.

That alone doesn’t really make Ebi any different than anyone else who closely follows the talent base comprising the future of basketball, both college and professional.

Except that Ebi is different. Most 18-year-olds don’t stand 6-foot-9 with a 7-foot-plus wingspan -- his fingertips almost touch his knees while standing up straight -- and have coaches such as Lute Olson, Mike Krzyzewski, Rick Barnes and Mike Davis waiting with bated breath to find out where he’ll go to college.

Ebi (his full name is pronounced “IN-dee EE-bee”) is the top-rated player at the Nike Peach Jam AAU basketball tournament, but that’s only because James isn’t here.

A senior-to-be at Houston’s Westbury Christian High School, Ebi is widely regarded as the second-best high school player in the country. Second to -- you guessed it -- James, the Akron, Ohio, phenom dubbed The Chosen One by Sports Illustrated. "King James," as he’s also known, is so far ahead of the rest of his class that he was projected to be the No. 1 pick in the 2003 NBA Draft even before he attended his junior prom at St. Vincent-St. Mary's High School.

James gets all the ink in the 2002-03 senior class, and Ebi nearly has gone blind from staring at his rival’s name in lights.

“Everywhere I look, his name is above mine,” Ebi said. “I just have to do my thing to get my name above his.”

While it’s known that James never will play college ball -- Nike and Adidas are already in a multimillion dollar bidding war over James’ endorsement rights -- Ebi said he intends to further his education. He’s just not saying where yet. He’s been offered scholarships “from everyone,” he said, a list that includes his top five schools: Arizona, Duke, Texas, Indiana and North Carolina.

Aside from all of the college coaches in attendance, Ebi is the celebrity to see at the Peach Jam, where his Houston Hoops team is 5-1 after advancing to Friday’s championship game. Ebi is averaging 20.3 points (mostly dunks and soft, 10-foot jumpers -- though he did mix in four 3-pointers on eight attempts), 10.8 rebounds and an unfair amount of blocks per game. Unofficially, he has blocked 27 shots (it’s safe to say the volunteer statisticians missed some) and that doesn’t count the airballs and bricks thrown up by intimidated opponents who must feel like they are lofting shots over a skyscraper.

Ebi’s undoubtedly the tournament’s best. All eyes are glued to his smooth, fundamentally sound game. Reporters, scouts and assorted fans form a line to get close to Ebi minutes after each game. But it’s not nearly enough for him.

He won’t come right out and say it, but Ebi is running the mercury red with LeBron James fever. Take, for example, Ebi’s African name, given to him by his Nigerian parents. When asked if his name translated to anything in English, Ebi replied, “No, it doesn’t. But if it did, I think it should mean, ‘The Chosen One.’”

The Chosen One?

“I just think I’m special,” Ebi said. “I’m one of a kind and I feel that’s what it should mean.”

Yes, Ebi has seen the cover of Sports Illustrated that crowns James as king.

“That’s an interesting comment from a pretty bright kid,” said TheInsiderHoops.com’s Dave Telep, who has Ebi ranked right behind James like everyone else. “But there’s only one guy on the planet right now besides Kobe Bryant who is being offered $20 million shoe contracts.”

If Ebi’s suffering from an identity crisis, it’s a shame. He’s better than 99.9 percent of the high schoolers on the planet, and his future couldn’t be brighter.

One assistant coach for a major college program at the Peach Jam said Ebi reminded him of a young, ferocious Kenyon Martin with more skill.

“I saw Kwame Brown [play in high school]. I saw Darius Miles. Ebi’s better than them both,” the assistant said. “If he put his name in the [2003] draft, he’d go top 10.”

Talking to Ebi, however, a top-10 selection wouldn’t be good enough if James goes No. 1.

Ebi wears his passion for wanting to be the best -- better than James -- on his chest for the world to see, and he brought it with him to Colorado Springs, Colo., in late June for the U.S. Youth Development Festival.

Ebi knew full well that James broke the scoring record at the same evaluation camp as a rising junior in 2001 with a five-game average of 24.0 points. His mission was to shatter the mark. He did, averaging 27.8 points, 15 rebounds and four blocks.

“I knew I was going to break the record,” Ebi said. “I wanted to have my name above his.”

A broken wrist kept James out of the Colorado Springs festival this year, just as it has for all of this summer’s other tournaments and camps. Barring any other injuries, however, both Ebi and James should be healthy and ready to go head to head in next April’s McDonald’s All-American game in Cleveland.

Ebi, for one, can’t wait.

“In April,” he said, “we’re just going to have to see who’s No. 1.”
 

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I thought he looked a little thin too Chap. However, I ain't the one scouting him.

I still favor a good international frontcourt player who is fundamentally sound.
 

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What about that picture? Shows a 18 year old kid build like Tayshaun Prince.

And the scouting reports on him tell me he can get minutes behind Marion at the 3 and later at both forward positions when he bulks up.


''ferocious Kenyon Martin with more skill''

This shocked me. I always thought Kenyon Martin is already ferocious. And ''with more skill'' ? Why compare him to Martin if he has more skill? Sounds to me as if he is not like Kenyon Martin.
 

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Originally posted by Chris_Sanders


I still favor a good international frontcourt player who is fundamentally sound.

Sho nuff, Chris. That is my #1 desire from the draft.
 

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It sounds to me like this kid is a little bit obsessed with the attention James gets. If I was him I would be more worried about kidding the weights. One of the main reasons James is such a great prospect is that he already has a great NBA body. I don't doubt that this kid, Ebi, could contribute right away, but to last in the NBA he's going to need to add strength/weight.

It's early, but it appears the Suns blew it by drafting Casey Jacobsen instead of Tayshaun Prince. However I think Jacobson was drafted as much for he is strong character and personality as is on the court skills. Let's hope with some hard work he will improve this summer. Even though they may have made a mistake with a draft pick last year I trust that the Phoenix Suns will take someone good with the 17th pick next month.

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They obviously liked how Jacobsen was lighting up the PAC 10 in scoring. However, he hasn't translated that ability to the pros as much as Prince has, although Prince has gotten more of a chance since the Pistons were desperate for scoring. That being said, Casey didn't lock down his chance when he had it earlier in the season. I think at best, Jacobsen has the potential to be a Hornacek type player. I think the Suns would be ecstatic if he developed that potential. He is going to really have to hit the gym this summer and develop his defense. I noticed it did improve as the season wore on, but he is no defensive stopper.
 

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Casey needs to work on his defense, but most of all he needs to start knocking down those outside shots. That is the biggest reason the Suns took him. And frankly he was disappointing as a three-point shooter. He needs to shoot much more quickly in order to be effective from outside.

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I noticed he was hitting the three a lot better at the end of the season and in the playoffs, except he was mostly a mop up player in the playoffs. Right now JJ is playing better defense and is quicker on the dribble, and can throw in the occaisional offensive rebound. Casey is going to have to work much harder to stay in the NBA, let alone try and get by JJ in the rotation. I wouldn't say he was a bad pick, especially if you watched the Pac 10 games. The Suns always seem to do well in the draft, Alton Ford aside, it seems it's those trades and FA signings (Googs + Penny) where we get burned. Although us trading away Longley, getting a better C at the time, money and a draft pick has to be one of the all time best trades for us!! LOL :D
 

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