Who's faster?

[Duckjake]

So the fastest guys on earth choose to play in the NFL. Just like that? Wake up one day "Im bored...maybe ill play for the Falcons". Because nothing but speed matters in football.

Tyson Gay must have been born in Peru or something, otherwise hed be in training camp right now, huh?

And we all know that people born in other countries arent allowed to come to the US, go to college, and join professional sports leagues. Itd be madness.



Have you seen the top women runners? What genetic factor? Some of these chicks could stomp Ryan Williams to death. All men, and all women, arent created equal. Some of these girls are built like PP.

and besides, your taking the fastest guys in the NFL. What is that? A pool of like 1600? Against the fastest women ON EARTH. A pool of several billion. Odds are the Earth is going to produce a few freakishly fast women.



Finally, the biggest point that has yet to be raised in this thread: Races are won and lost at the starting line. These women are professional sprinters. Maybe in a mile race, the guys would overtake them in the long run, but in any 100m, or whatever race, the girls would be down the backend before the guys were even off the blocks. The start is the single biggest skill involved in running and the girls have years of training.

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I don't think so. The men are so much faster that they would catch the women no matter how much better the girls were at the start. 10.5 to 10.9 is huge in a 100m race. Plus many NFL guys had months of practicing starts in prepping for the 40 time trial at the Combine and Pro Days.

And we all know that people born in other countries arent allowed to come to the US, go to college, and join professional sports leagues. Itd be madness.

Could you explain what you are trying to say? People born in other countries come to the US and participate in NCAA sports like track, golf and tennis all the time. So that's confusing. You don't see it much in Football because most other countries don't have the infrastructure we have in the US. Or in baseball because most of the foreign players go right to professional leagues.

 

[MigratingOsprey]

Yep .... There really isn't much here .... The guys in this race run much faster than the women .... There are slews of guys in the league that routinely bested the top female times in these events in their lives they know how to get our of the blocks

I actually think the ladies could have better luck at greater distances

 

[Jetstream Green]

So the fastest guys on earth choose to play in the NFL. Just like that? Wake up one day "Im bored...maybe ill play for the Falcons". Because nothing but speed matters in football.

Tyson Gay must have been born in Peru or something, otherwise hed be in training camp right now, huh?

And we all know that people born in other countries arent allowed to come to the US, go to college, and join professional sports leagues. Itd be madness.



Have you seen the top women runners? What genetic factor? Some of these chicks could stomp Ryan Williams to death. All men, and all women, arent created equal. Some of these girls are built like PP.

and besides, your taking the fastest guys in the NFL. What is that? A pool of like 1600? Against the fastest women ON EARTH. A pool of several billion. Odds are the Earth is going to produce a few freakishly fast women.



Finally, the biggest point that has yet to be raised in this thread: Races are won and lost at the starting line. These women are professional sprinters. Maybe in a mile race, the guys would overtake them in the long run, but in any 100m, or whatever race, the girls would be down the backend before the guys were even off the blocks. The start is the single biggest skill involved in running and the girls have years of training.

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Hey Bodha, I said 'for the most part' and there are always exceptions and I qualified that in my post with those words. By the way, I ran college track

 

[Jetstream Green]

Just as a point of reference. All the Woman's World records are slower than the State High School Boys records in Texas.

Examples boys first:

100m 10.13 v 10.49
800m 1:48.2 v 1:53.2
4x400 3:08.55 v 3:15.17

The 400m hurdles record for women, 52.34, is only 1.5 seconds faster than this slow old boy ran in college so long ago it was 440 yard Hurdles.

Winner, end of this discussion and the insanity of thinking otherwise

 

[CardsFan88]

Don't forget about some obvious factors.

The racers are ready tomorrow to run it and in shape, and at the top of their conditioning.

The men are built up for football, and speed while important isn't the top thing they work on. I'm quite the fastest guys in the NFL won't run as fast as they once did because they put on weight and haven't ran off a block in years. Plus most are in decent shape, but aren't in as good of shape as they will be a month or two from now. So if we're talking about now.....we're talking about offseason shape for the men, while olympic shape for the women.

Of 16 total runners, I highly doubt the first 8 will be men, and the last 8 will all be women. It almost assuredly would be a mix of some sort. With some men beating the fastest women, while the fastest women still beating some of those 8 men. The way the question is asked everyone is thinking of all or none. But a mix would validate the question as well.

Even if Texas state records say one thing, remember the NCAA 100 meter final this year was 10.27. There probably isn't a guy in the NFL tomorrow that could go out there and best that. After training, and losing weight? Sure maybe a couple. But as of tomorrow, I highly doubt any NFL guy could run faster than 10.4-10.5.

The women yesterday weren't even trying that hard. They were all in a gear lower then they will be and were shutting it down at 70-80 meters. They'll be quite a bit faster later.

The way I see it alot of the 'fastest 8' would be around 10.6, and alot of the women will be around 10.6. Some men will be faster (like the 10.4 earlier), some slower.

Oh well. No big deal, one way or the other. Just trying to throw factors out there that might go overlooked in people's analysis. And as said by another poster, if someone gets off to a bad start, that too can change the time by a couple of tenths, and I'd say the NFL guys would be more likely to have one since they don't practice it. Doing it years ago isn't the same as doing it all the time. Not really worth more time, so whoever is right is right, doesn't matter lol.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

The top NFL players would torch the women. No disrespect to the ladies, but the genetic factors are just too much to overcome. A big chunk of speed guys in the NFL did track in high school (and some in college) and as others have noted, their times as 18 year olds would shattered world-records for female Olympians.

The question isn't about what some guy did when he was actually training to run a 100, but whether there are 8 guys on NFL rosters right now who couild get into the blocks tomorrow morning and beat the 8 women who all ran 11 seconds or less in today's final..

40 yard (36 meters) times are a bit of an irrelevent comparsion because world class sprinters reach their maximum speed between 40 and 60 metres. There aren't that many true 4.3 second 40 yard sprinters and even if they could sustain this all the way through over a 100 metres, the women are in the race.

Based simply on Combine 40 times one could actually make the silly argument that Joe Schmo from Valvosta State who ran a 4.3 would beat Usain Bolt, given that Bolts' first 40 would be slower.

 

[MigratingOsprey]

Yep .... There really isn't much here .... The guys in this race run much faster than the women .... There are slews of guys in the league that routinely bested the top female times in these events in their lives they know how to get our of the blocks

I actually think the ladies could have better luck at greater distances

 

[Phrazbit]

The question isn't about what some guy did when he was actually training to run a 100, but whether there are 8 guys on NFL rosters right now who couild get into the blocks tomorrow morning and beat the 8 women who all ran 11 seconds or less in today's final..

40 yard (36 meters) times are a bit of an irrelevent comparsion because world class sprinters reach their maximum speed between 40 and 60 metres. There aren't that many true 4.3 second 40 yard sprinters and even if they could sustain this all the way through over a 100 metres, the women are in the race.

Yes, I absolutely think they could smoke the women. Its not like NFL speed guys are unfamiliar with having to burst out of the gates and sustain that speed down the field, and its not like they havnt ran faster times previously in the same event. I think, as someone else said, you could probably find 80 guys who could do it.

I really respect the women in the Olympics, they are superior in speed to any normal man... but speed guys in the NFL are not average Joes. They got their jobs largely because they are insanely fast... in comparison to other fast males.

Do you really think that these guys would have become slower since they were 18 and were recording times that are much better than female sprinters in the exact same event?

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Yes, I absolutely think they could smoke the women. Its not like NFL speed guys are unfamiliar with having to burst out of the gates and sustain that speed down the field, and its not like they havnt ran faster times previously in the same event. I think, as someone else said, you could probably find 80 guys who could do it.

I really respect the women in the Olympics, they are superior in speed to any normal man... but speed guys in the NFL are not average Joes. They got their jobs largely because they are insanely fast... in comparison to other fast males.

Do you really think that these guys would have become slower since they were 18 and were recording times that are much better than female sprinters in the exact same event?

Withouit continuous training in the disciplne they would be slower.

Do you think Bob Hayes (10 flat) Olympic Gold medalist and fastest man in the world was faster when he played for the Cowboys?.

 

[Duckjake]

Yes, I absolutely think they could smoke the women. Its not like NFL speed guys are unfamiliar with having to burst out of the gates and sustain that speed down the field, and its not like they havnt ran faster times previously in the same event. I think, as someone else said, you could probably find 80 guys who could do it.

I really respect the women in the Olympics, they are superior in speed to any normal man... but speed guys in the NFL are not average Joes. They got their jobs largely because they are insanely fast... in comparison to other fast males.

Do you really think that these guys would have become slower since they were 18 and were recording times that are much better than female sprinters in the exact same event?

51 men ran faster than the fastest woman in the respective 100m prelims in London. I stand by my take that you could find plenty of NFL guys who could line up tomorrow and beat the women. It's not a knock on the women. Guys can just run faster. More fun would be to have the women sprinters put on pads and see if they could beat the NFL guys.

 

[Darkside]

Don't forget about some obvious factors.

The racers are ready tomorrow to run it and in shape, and at the top of their conditioning.

The men are built up for football, and speed while important isn't the top thing they work on. I'm quite the fastest guys in the NFL won't run as fast as they once did because they put on weight and haven't ran off a block in years. Plus most are in decent shape, but aren't in as good of shape as they will be a month or two from now. So if we're talking about now.....we're talking about offseason shape for the men, while olympic shape for the women.

Of 16 total runners, I highly doubt the first 8 will be men, and the last 8 will all be women. It almost assuredly would be a mix of some sort. With some men beating the fastest women, while the fastest women still beating some of those 8 men. The way the question is asked everyone is thinking of all or none. But a mix would validate the question as well.

Even if Texas state records say one thing, remember the NCAA 100 meter final this year was 10.27. There probably isn't a guy in the NFL tomorrow that could go out there and best that. After training, and losing weight? Sure maybe a couple. But as of tomorrow, I highly doubt any NFL guy could run faster than 10.4-10.5.

The women yesterday weren't even trying that hard. They were all in a gear lower then they will be and were shutting it down at 70-80 meters. They'll be quite a bit faster later.

The way I see it alot of the 'fastest 8' would be around 10.6, and alot of the women will be around 10.6. Some men will be faster (like the 10.4 earlier), some slower.

Oh well. No big deal, one way or the other. Just trying to throw factors out there that might go overlooked in people's analysis. And as said by another poster, if someone gets off to a bad start, that too can change the time by a couple of tenths, and I'd say the NFL guys would be more likely to have one since they don't practice it. Doing it years ago isn't the same as doing it all the time. Not really worth more time, so whoever is right is right, doesn't matter lol.

Totally agree with everything you're saying. The fastest college players as of 2012 were pretty fast though: #1 was at 10:01 which is Olympic level, even for the men. At # 10 was a 10:43 while the women's world record is 10:49.

http://heismanpundit.com/2012/05/07/the-fastest-players-in-college-football-2012/

It's one thing to do it once, but these female Olympians post these times regularly, day in and day out. These college football players are racing at a time before they've put on weight (as they typically do in the NFL). I really don't think NFL men could compete consistently in a race like this. If they each raced 10 times, I think the fastest women would win. Especially after the NFL player has been in the league for awhile and developed habits and patterns that are conductive to football but not track.

That being said, Usain Bolt's world record is 9.58 seconds. I read somewhere that if you extrapolate that he's running at about 29 miles an hour. If you're stuck in traffic or going through a school zone he wold go flying by you. LOL.

 

[Darkside]

51 men ran faster than the fastest woman in the respective 100m prelims in London. I stand by my take that you could find plenty of NFL guys who could line up tomorrow and beat the women. It's not a knock on the women. Guys can just run faster. More fun would be to have the women sprinters put on pads and see if they could beat the NFL guys.

I still disagree with this. We're comparing NFL football players to female Olympian trackers, not comparing male track racers to the females. When they're both disciplined in the race, with the form and nuances then the men will win every time because of genetics. But if we compare football players to female Olympian track stars, I still give the edge to the women simply because their muscles are trained for it, their form is better, etc.

In college, with the football players, it may be close, but in the NFL I don't think it would be that close, not on a consistent level over, say, 10 races. No way. In the NFL they put on weight and develop habits that are actually hurtful to their track proficiency.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

We are discussing whether present day NFLers not whether trained male sprinters can beat the women Olympic finalists. I doubt that there are the number suggested of NFLers who have actually run mid 10 in the 100 metres. In the end, the difference between the two groups would be measured in tenths.

Luv to see a promoter put together this type of match race, but would bet the macho NFLers would chicken out.

 

[Phrazbit]

Withouit continuous training in the disciplne they would be slower.

Do you think Bob Hayes (10 flat) Olympic Gold medalist and fastest man in the world was faster when he played for the Cowboys?.

I bet he was faster when he was 22, 23, 24 years old than he was at 18! And i bet he was still faster than any woman on the planet.

Those women are fast, but they are still women with severe disadvantages to men in terms physiology, and and NFL players are still elite athletes.

 

[Phrazbit]

We are discussing whether present day NFLers not whether trained male sprinters can beat the women Olympic finalists. I doubt that there are the number suggested of NFLers who have actually run mid 10 in the 100 metres. In the end, the difference between the two groups would be measured in tenths.

Luv to see a promoter put together this type of match race, but would bet the macho NFLers would chicken out.

Given that there are plenty of men in the NFL who have ran records that crush all women's track records I would think the women would chose not to partake. It would diminish their own laudable achievements as female athletes.

 

[Darkside]

I bet he was faster when he was 22, 23, 24 years old than he was at 18! And i bet he was still faster than any woman on the planet.

Those women are fast, but they are still women with severe disadvantages to men in terms physiology, and and NFL players are still elite athletes.

There's no doubt NFL players are elite athletes. Probably the best athletes in the world, bar none. But form and technique matter. A lot. At least from a consistency standpoint.

 

[Russ Smith]

The fastest time in the final qualifier for the Women was 10.83. Only 6 were under 11.0.

Chris Johnson, Adrian Peterson, Jamaal Charles just to name 3 all ran faster in High School. It would be simple to find 8 guys in the NFL who could run faster than those women. You could probably find 80.

There is an odd thing about women's track records. Most of them were set 10-15 years ago in the 90's. The 100m record is 24 years old.

you know why and it's not "odd" it's science. Quite simply the people that set those records were all doping. Science caught up so the times are slower in the womens events now. It's a dirty little secret in track that doping among the elite women was as common if not more common than among the men.

 

[Phrazbit]

There's no doubt NFL players are elite athletes. Probably the best athletes in the world, bar none. But form and technique matter. A lot. At least from a consistency standpoint.

Okay, but, as has been stated over and over. These guys have done these exact events in their lives. In NFL camps they STILL run similar drills. Its not like they would forget running form. And they have well over a half second of cushion to fall back on even if they've somehow become slower than they were in high school.

Seriously, the better high school boys run faster times than any woman has ever ran in history. To think that taking the cream of the crop in the NFL would make for an easier race for the females is absolutely insane.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

I bet he was faster when he was 22, 23, 24 years old than he was at 18! And i bet he was still faster than any woman on the planet.

Those women are fast, but they are still women with severe disadvantages to men in terms physiology, and and NFL players are still elite athletes.

???

And Usain Bolt is faster than any man or woman ever created. It's hardly the point. The difference, in fact, between present day Nflers and these women would be measured in tenths of a second at most.

 

[Russ Smith]

Okay, but, as has been stated over and over. These guys have done these exact events in their lives. In NFL camps they STILL run similar drills. Its not like they would forget running form. And they have well over a half second of cushion to fall back on even if they've somehow become slower than they were in high school.

Seriously, the better high school boys run faster times than any woman has ever ran in history. To think that taking the cream of the crop in the NFL would make for an easier race for the females is absolutely insane.

They don't run the 100 though they run shorter sprints. In one race I agree the men would probably win. If they had to run heats to get to the final 8, like the women do, I think it's different.

The men would be tired and you'd see a rash of pulled muscles. Pulled muscles are extremely common in sprinters, guys who don't train for it would see it happen too. One race the men win though

 

[Phrazbit]

???

And Usain Bolt is faster than any man or woman ever created. It's hardly the point. The difference, in fact, between present day Nflers and these women would be measured in tenths of a second at most.

Over half a second is (5) tenths of a second. There are guys in the NFL right now who have ran the 100m in more than 5 tenths of a second faster than any other current female competitors in the Olympics have in their lives.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Okay, but, as has been stated over and over. These guys have done these exact events in their lives. In NFL camps they STILL run similar drills. Its not like they would forget running form. And they have well over a half second of cushion to fall back on even if they've somehow become slower than they were in high school.

Seriously, the better high school boys run faster times than any woman has ever ran in history. To think that taking the cream of the crop in the NFL would make for an easier race for the females is absolutely insane.

What NFL drill prepares them to run 100 metres?

And those High School sprinters would probably beat those NFLers too because they run track!

 

[Darkside]

Okay, but, as has been stated over and over. These guys have done these exact events in their lives. In NFL camps they STILL run similar drills. Its not like they would forget running form. And they have well over a half second of cushion to fall back on even if they've somehow become slower than they were in high school.

Seriously, the better high school boys run faster times than any woman has ever ran in history. To think that taking the cream of the crop in the NFL would make for an easier race for the females is absolutely insane.

Yes, they've done these events, which is why I said in college it would be closer, between college football players and Olympian females in track. But by the time they get into the NFL, gain weight, develop bad track habits, etc, it's not the same as when they came in.

Yes, they run drills in camp, but that's hardly the same as running it every day all day for 10+ years like these Olympians do. There's no comparison from a form and technique standpoint, and it's not really that close. Running it a few times in camp a few times a year isn't nearly the same as doing it every day, 7 days a week, for over a decade.

And the longer they've been in the NFL the worse their form will be.

Yes, perhaps the high school boys have beaten the female track records (I've yet to even look it up) but that's comparing track to track, male to female, and there's no comparison because of genetics.

The argument is current NFL players VS female track Olympians and you (and others) keep pulling out arguments that aren't related to the original proposition. I'm not going to extrapolate that because the HS team beat so and so that means all NFL players are better at track, nor will I entertain the idea that because 50 dudes in track beat the best women in track that somehow means NFL players would blaze over the best female Olympians. You guys are making extrapolations that aren't relevant.

 

[Phrazbit]

What NFL drill prepares them to run 100 metres?

And those High School sprinters would probably beat those NFLers too because they run track!

You were talking about form and technique, and they absolute still do sprinting drills in the NFL.

And you are grossly underestimating the level of muscular development that males go through in their late teens to their mid 20s. Those same high school sprinters would be even faster by the time they are 22 and 23 if they stayed in shape... like an elite NFL player does.

Hypothetically, if track paid more than football then you can bet your butt that a bunch of our sprinters would actually be the guys who are instead NFL players, because a ton of them were elite track runners in high school.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Over half a second is (5) tenths of a second. There are guys in the NFL right now who have ran the 100m in more than 5 tenths of a second faster than any other current female competitors in the Olympics have in their lives.

And the operative word is 'have' run. They (who ever they are) are not training to run 100 meters at this point. Could they get back into it, and regain form - sure. But, at this moment they would be at a clear disadvantage which isn't overcome by simply being a man.