Who's on the team?

[elindholm]

Boy, this is getting confusing. Let's keep a running thread of what we think the 15-man roster will look like.

Here's my current guess (EDIT: duh, I left off Jacobsen):

1. Marbury
2. Marion
3. Stoudemire
4. Hardaway
5. JJohnson
6. Gugliotta
7. Voskuhl
8. Jacobsen
9. DJohnson
10. Cabarkapa (should be healthy by opening night)
11. Williams (ditto)
12. Sheppard

IR:
Trybanski
Barbosa
Knight

So, I'm guessing that Archibald will be gone and that Koturovic won't stick around either. I have no reason for this -- it's just a guess.

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

If B knights keeps up his play, he may get the active roster spot instead of CJ or Sheppard. He seemed very solid last knight, and was more than able to run the team when marbury went out. In fact, they did better with him running the show last night.

 

[3rdside]

i'm going to say sheppard's gone - the new euro guy, DJ, and trybanski will round out the fifteen.

 

[3rdside]

and barbosa, williams and trybanski start the IR. Williams will posssibly then change with either Cjake or DJ.

 

[scotsman13]

1. Marbury
2. Marion
3. Stoudemire
4. Hardaway
5. JJohnson
6. Gugliotta
7. Voskuhl
8. Jacobsen
9. Sheppard
10. Cabarkapa (should be healthy by opening night)
11. Barbosa
12. Koturovic

IR:
Trybanski
Williams
DJohnson

knight will be traded before the opening day.

 

[hcsilla]

It's really interesting that an even in Europe totally unknown player (Trybanski) has a better shot at an NBA roster spot (because of his quaranteed contract) than a solid player of the best european NT.

 

[slinslin]

Mmm I would like to see Dermarr on the active roster. I doubt he is any worse than Casey Jacobsen.


OH and I just got to watch San Antonio - Memphis in Paris.

Dan Langhi vs Bo Outlaw+Big Jake.

None of them did well. Big Jake didn't get to play until in the 2nd half and made a hookshot, was almost posterized by Duncan, got fooled by Duncan for and 1, and blocked by Duncan.

Bo Outlaw was going one on one dribbling turning around and shooting an airball with a lot of time on the clock.

 

[Chaplin]

I think we have to assume that both Scott Williams and Leandro Barbosa will be on the IR at the beginning of the season (assuming Z is healthy).

I'm wondering why people think Leandro will be on the active roster. IMO, if there is anybody who is a lock for the IR, it's Barbosa. At least to start the season.

 

[scotsman13]

barbosa is the backup point guard. the suns are already talking about trading knight so that tells you they want to give barbosa the time at the big up point guard spot. that is why i believe that he would be on the opening night roster. heck i think that casey has a better chance to be on the ir to start the season then barbosa.

 

[scotsman13]

sorry for the dup.

 

[SunsTzu]

I agree. I see Jacobsen starting on the IR.

 

[Chaplin]

Originally posted by scotsman13
barbosa is the backup point guard. the suns are already talking about trading knight so that tells you they want to give barbosa the time at the big up point guard spot. that is why i believe that he would be on the opening night roster. heck i think that casey has a better chance to be on the ir to start the season then barbosa.

I think you're wrong, and I'll tell you why. If someone wanted to bite on Knight, they would have done so already--giving them ample time to test him out and see how he runs a team before the season begins. Also, the only way he can be traded is in a 1-for-1, and nobody seems interested in that. We have to wait a couple months before including him in a multiplayer deal.

So assuming we have both Knight and Barbosa on the roster at the beginning of the season, who do you think will be on the IR.

I love Barbosa's potential, but come on, this is a no-brainer.

 

[elindholm]

Okay, based on some of the new information that has come across, I'm changing my guess.

1. Marbury
2. Marion
3. Stoudemire
4. Hardaway
5. JJohnson
6. Gugliotta
7. Voskuhl
8. Knight
9. DJohnson
10. Cabarkapa (should be healthy by opening night)
11. Williams (ditto)
12. Koturovic

IR:
Trybanski
Barbosa
Jacobsen

Chaplin has convinced me that Barbosa is on the IR, and that the Suns won't have moved Knight yet. Thegrahamcrackr has convinced me that Knight will be on the active roster. The Suns appear committed to Koturovic (I guess) and are stuck with Trybanski, so that means Sheppard is out.

I think Williams is on the active roster for sure if he is healthy. He'll be the center they trust most, for whatever irrational reasons. And if DJohnson can play, he bumps Jacobsen.

 

[Chaplin]

Originally posted by elindholm
Okay, based on some of the new information that has come across, I'm changing my guess.

1. Marbury
2. Marion
3. Stoudemire
4. Hardaway
5. JJohnson
6. Gugliotta
7. Voskuhl
8. Knight
9. DJohnson
10. Cabarkapa (should be healthy by opening night)
11. Williams (ditto)
12. Koturovic

IR:
Trybanski
Barbosa
Jacobsen

Chaplin has convinced me that Barbosa is on the IR, and that the Suns won't have moved Knight yet. Thegrahamcrackr has convinced me that Knight will be on the active roster. The Suns appear committed to Koturovic (I guess) and are stuck with Trybanski, so that means Sheppard is out.

I think Williams is on the active roster for sure if he is healthy. He'll be the center they trust most, for whatever irrational reasons. And if DJohnson can play, he bumps Jacobsen.

That sounds about right, but I think that Scott Williams will start the season on the IR--yesterday, it was said that he was still out for the next 6 weeks, which would put his return near Thanksgiving. So then, out of that group, who becomes active? Trybanski or Casey? If DerMarr is playing well and can contribute, it might just be Trybanski that comes to the active roster, especially seeing as we have San Antonio in our first game...

 

[SunsTzu]

Originally posted by elindholm
Okay, based on some of the new information that has come across, I'm changing my guess.

1. Marbury
2. Marion
3. Stoudemire
4. Hardaway
5. JJohnson
6. Gugliotta
7. Voskuhl
8. Knight
9. DJohnson
10. Cabarkapa (should be healthy by opening night)
11. Williams (ditto)
12. Koturovic

IR:
Trybanski
Barbosa
Jacobsen

Chaplin has convinced me that Barbosa is on the IR, and that the Suns won't have moved Knight yet. Thegrahamcrackr has convinced me that Knight will be on the active roster. The Suns appear committed to Koturovic (I guess) and are stuck with Trybanski, so that means Sheppard is out.

I think Williams is on the active roster for sure if he is healthy. He'll be the center they trust most, for whatever irrational reasons. And if DJohnson can play, he bumps Jacobsen.

I agree for the most part. Only changes I'd make would be Barbosa over DJ to start. Also Williams is expected to miss the 1st 2 weeks or so of the season and Trybanski would get his spot IMO.

 

[Chaplin]

Originally posted by SunsTzu
I agree for the most part. Only changes I'd make would be Barbosa over DJ to start. Also Williams is expected to miss the 1st 2 weeks or so of the season and Trybanski would get his spot IMO.

What is your reasoning that Barbosa would be placed over DerMarr? Especially at the start of the season? AND especially if Brevin Knight is on the active roster as well. If Zarko isn't fully recovered, then DerMarr automatically becomes more important than a 3rd point guard on the active roster.

 

[elindholm]

Scott Williams will start the season on the IR--yesterday, it was said that he was still out for the next 6 weeks

Whoops, I missed that. I'd say it's Jacobsen who gets the spot. I think it's very unlikely that the Suns will make minutes for both Trybanski and Koturovic in the same game. They'll keep active whichever one of them seems to be more useful at the moment.

 

[Chaplin]

Originally posted by elindholm
Scott Williams will start the season on the IR--yesterday, it was said that he was still out for the next 6 weeks

Whoops, I missed that. I'd say it's Jacobsen who gets the spot. I think it's very unlikely that the Suns will make minutes for both Trybanski and Koturovic in the same game. They'll keep active whichever one of them seems to be more useful at the moment.

Good point. Either way, whoever gets taken off, they'll get little or no time anyway.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

congrats folks, this is the most agreement i've seen on this board in months!

 

[SunsTzu]

Originally posted by Chaplin
What is your reasoning that Barbosa would be placed over DerMarr? Especially at the start of the season? AND especially if Brevin Knight is on the active roster as well. If Zarko isn't fully recovered, then DerMarr automatically becomes more important than a 3rd point guard on the active roster.

My reasoning is this, every thing I've heard has the Suns wanting to get Barbosa PT. DJ is still not fully recovered and I don't see him even getting many min in preseason let alone when we play for real. I feel the Suns will bring DJ along slowly and work on his conditioning.

JJ at 6-8 235 is able to play the 3 in case Zarko is not ready off the bat. DJ at 6-9 201 I feel would get pushed around at this point by the 3s in the league.

Also you are presuming that Barbosa can only play PG. Fact is I see him as more of a combo guard for us. He is 6-4 with very long arms for his body. Even last night when Barbosa played he played with Knight on the court. I actually think early on when Barbosa plays it will be with Marbury or Knight on the court. That way he can still push the ball but if they need to run a half court set Marbury and Knight can both take control since at this point there is a language barrier making it difficult for Barbosa to run the O.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Jacobsen might be trade bait to move a little more salary. If DJ looks serviceable there are teams that would have some interest in Casey.

He got some decent pub last year along with Amare. I could see the Jazz having some interest.

 

[Joe Mama]

Originally posted by SunsTzu
My reasoning is this, every thing I've heard has the Suns wanting to get Barbosa PT. DJ is still not fully recovered and I don't see him even getting many min in preseason let alone when we play for real. I feel the Suns will bring DJ along slowly and work on his conditioning.

JJ at 6-8 235 is able to play the 3 in case Zarko is not ready off the bat. DJ at 6-9 201 I feel would get pushed around at this point by the 3s in the league.

Also you are presuming that Barbosa can only play PG. Fact is I see him as more of a combo guard for us. He is 6-4 with very long arms for his body. Even last night when Barbosa played he played with Knight on the court. I actually think early on when Barbosa plays it will be with Marbury or Knight on the court. That way he can still push the ball but if they need to run a half court set Marbury and Knight can both take control since at this point there is a language barrier making it difficult for Barbosa to run the O.

There's only been one preseason game so far, so it's pretty early to be guessing the opening-day roster. Still this is a great thread. I'm with SunsTzu as far as D. Johnson is concerned. I think they are going to bring him along slowly, and I'm actually still not convinced he'll make the team.

Who knows? Perhaps he will see more playing time in the next few preseason games, but I was surprised that he only played in the last three minutes.

Joe Mama

 

[F-Dog]

They might be hiding DerMarr a little, so they can stash him this year and keep him for less $$$ next year. Or, maybe not.

At least DerMarr has a better chance of making the team than Will Pippen.


Anyway, here's how I would group them at this point:

Rotation locks:

Amare
Marbury
Marion
Penny
Joe J
Zarko
Voskuhl

Roster locks:

Barbosa
C. Jacobsen
Gugliotta
B. Knight
Trybanski
S. Williams

The rest:

Dermarr Johnson
Koturovic
Archibald
etc.

That makes 16, which means that one guy is going to get cut; right now it looks like that's Archibald.

I guess that Scott Williams, Trybanski and maybe Barbosa will go on IR--the Suns will use Brevin Knight at backup PG to showcase him for potential trade partners, right?

DerMarr is another good candidate for IR, if the Suns want to keep Barbosa or Trybanski in the mix.

 

[capologist]

I would add Nick Sheppard to the “rest” category. I don’t see why they would have given him so much PT against NJ if they weren’t at least considering him as a possibility to make the roster.

 

[Errntknght]

Suddenly we have a wealth of 'bigs' who might be useful. I'd like to see Scotty retire to some sort of 'associate coach' to open a roster spot. I think he could return to the roster if need be. That would give us more chance to see if there's a bit of a gem among all those rough stones - Koturovic, Trybanski and Sheppard. I was even somewhat impressed by Archibald... I mean, six fouls in ten minutes! I don't think even Alton managed that.

If Koturovic can defend in the paint and play intelligently he may well be enough for us at center. His reputed-to-be-good 15-17 ft jumper is what we need on offense from from that position. Williams could stay retired.

I'd like to see us give DerMarr every chance... maybe we could trade Casey away for a second round pick to open a roster spot. I think he'd look good in a Jazz uni, and their second round pick might be 30th overall.

I hope the team isn't in any rush to trade Knight - the guys a heck of a backup PG and it would be nice to let Stephon average a few less minutes per game. Knight's style fits the Suns game, too. Unless we traded him for a draft pick we'd have to take salary back and he's a FA next year.