Why Are You Surprised?

[john h]

It is clear that you have lost your passion, which is the sad part. If you don't enjoy the game / team anymore...life is just too short.

Winning is hard in this league and a new stadium does not mean wins; ask Jerry and Wade.

I will not complain about the last two years at all! But as much as I enjoyed the dream-run to the Superbowl, and know we played well enough to win it, and that I watched it with my son (who became a die-hard fan in the last few years along with MANY others), there was something about being one of the "thirty-thousand" in SDS during the dark days.

It was hard to be a fan then, in the dark days. Sure, there was KOC, the Avengers and the NEZ; they always showed and cheered and laughed and jeered and cried and enjoyed the momement as one of the die-hards. Losing was a art-form then; nothing to be proud of...but we were still proud. What were we proud of??? Why, of having our own team, our own place, our own NEZ...

Fast forward to today and I can only feel surrounded by riches. The coaching staff we have now compared to what we had then??? Starwars to Stonhenge. The players? We have a ton of talent, enough that we are competative without even an average QB!

An finally, we have our nest, this is were the real difference lies. I don't mean just the cash-flow and the wonderfuly comfortable enviroment to watch football (seems sacreligious after the physical price we payed to watch it in SDS); the part that makes our nest wonderful is the way it sells out for every game with screaming, passoniate CARDINAL fans making it one of the most hostile places to play in the NFL.

The Cardinals are a great team to cheer for; you can be proud of them, players, coaches and ownership. They are a top-class act in the valley with their (unadvertised) charity work. The fact they don't win all the time? Pffffttt.

They in fact do not win most of the time in the long run. I have been watching them for 67 years. I will always be a fan and could not cheer for another team even if I wanted to. It would certainly be more fun if I could be a Colts fan but it is not to be. I was living in Wichita in the early 60's and the Cards were picked up by the local TV station weekly. I thought life would end when they left St Louis and moved to AZ, as we no longer could get the Cards on TV. I was in Little Rock when Direct TV first came out and I was probably one of the first in my city to sign up. I will never leave Direct because I can always watch the Cardinals. Real fans cannot switch loyalties, no matter how low their team sink. Even after 67 years. I can recall trying to connect to a Cardinal game on my aircraft high frequency radio flying over Laos and Vietnam while in the danger zone. I think that qualifies me for being a loyal fan. I did the same thing while flying in a fighter in Iceland. Sometimes I actually picked up a game. Amazing stuff.

 

[chickenhead]

I have a different take on this because I for the most part thought that the Cardinals offseason was light years better than what I'd come to expect from the Bidwills. You don't like losing any players who contribute, but I was happy to let NYG overpay for Rolle and replace him with Rhodes (still am). I thought Porter could provide intensity and Faneca stability (maybe some kool-aid there). I was prepared for this year to be Leinart's, so if they thought Anderson was better than Leinart and had won the team, I was willing to roll with it. The classic Bidwill move would have been to leave Leinart in place and cut him at year's end solely because of his escalation.

My main criticism would be if avoiding McNabb were purely a financial move, but at the same time, if we end up signing him for 2011 and I like who we draft in the second round this offseason, I'm not going to complain all that much. What it will have cost us is a possible playoff spot this year--something that was possible even without him.

Right now the team is playing badly. It happens. It's happened in Dallas. Minnesota has the same record as we do. There are a lot of ways to get to 3-5.

 

[40yearfan]

Pure and simple, the defense ran out of steam in the 4th quarter. They could no longer get pressure on the QB and he tore them apart. The defensive scheme didn't change. They just ran out of gas and let Favre do as he pleased.

Any time a defense can't hold a 14 point lead with less than 5 minutes to go in a game, it is totally on their shoulders. When you give up almost 450 passing yards, your chances of winning aren't very good. Holding AP to 50 yards rushing was great until we hit overtime and they give up a 30 yard run. That pretty much sealed the win.

 

[40yearfan]

So in reality you just like having a cool place to go hang out with your friends.

That there is an NFL football game going on is secondary.

I can relate to that. It's why I play golf. I get to go to a cool place and hang out with my friends. Actually beating the Golf Course is secondary.

I don't mind the golf course winning. It's just when it kicks the royal crap out of me that I get aggravated.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

It is clear that you have lost your passion, which is the sad part. If you don't enjoy the game / team anymore...life is just too short.

Winning is hard in this league and a new stadium does not mean wins; ask Jerry and Wade.

I will not complain about the last two years at all! But as much as I enjoyed the dream-run to the Superbowl, and know we played well enough to win it, and that I watched it with my son (who became a die-hard fan in the last few years along with MANY others), there was something about being one of the "thirty-thousand" in SDS during the dark days.

It was hard to be a fan then, in the dark days. Sure, there was KOC, the Avengers and the NEZ; they always showed and cheered and laughed and jeered and cried and enjoyed the momement as one of the die-hards. Losing was a art-form then; nothing to be proud of...but we were still proud. What were we proud of??? Why, of having our own team, our own place, our own NEZ...

Fast forward to today and I can only feel surrounded by riches. The coaching staff we have now compared to what we had then??? Starwars to Stonhenge. The players? We have a ton of talent, enough that we are competative without even an average QB!

An finally, we have our nest, this is were the real difference lies. I don't mean just the cash-flow and the wonderfuly comfortable enviroment to watch football (seems sacreligious after the physical price we payed to watch it in SDS); the part that makes our nest wonderful is the way it sells out for every game with screaming, passoniate CARDINAL fans making it one of the most hostile places to play in the NFL.

The Cardinals are a great team to cheer for; you can be proud of them, players, coaches and ownership. They are a top-class act in the valley with their (unadvertised) charity work. The fact they don't win all the time? Pffffttt.

+1

 

[BigRedMO]

It is clear that you have lost your passion, which is the sad part. If you don't enjoy the game / team anymore...life is just too short.

Winning is hard in this league and a new stadium does not mean wins; ask Jerry and Wade.

I will not complain about the last two years at all! But as much as I enjoyed the dream-run to the Superbowl, and know we played well enough to win it, and that I watched it with my son (who became a die-hard fan in the last few years along with MANY others), there was something about being one of the "thirty-thousand" in SDS during the dark days.

It was hard to be a fan then, in the dark days. Sure, there was KOC, the Avengers and the NEZ; they always showed and cheered and laughed and jeered and cried and enjoyed the momement as one of the die-hards. Losing was a art-form then; nothing to be proud of...but we were still proud. What were we proud of??? Why, of having our own team, our own place, our own NEZ...

Fast forward to today and I can only feel surrounded by riches. The coaching staff we have now compared to what we had then??? Starwars to Stonhenge. The players? We have a ton of talent, enough that we are competative without even an average QB!

An finally, we have our nest, this is were the real difference lies. I don't mean just the cash-flow and the wonderfuly comfortable enviroment to watch football (seems sacreligious after the physical price we payed to watch it in SDS); the part that makes our nest wonderful is the way it sells out for every game with screaming, passoniate CARDINAL fans making it one of the most hostile places to play in the NFL.

The Cardinals are a great team to cheer for; you can be proud of them, players, coaches and ownership. They are a top-class act in the valley with their (unadvertised) charity work. The fact they don't win all the time? Pffffttt.

I have lost my passion for people who dont care about the Cardinals as much as me. I have lost my passion for people who dont give their occupation or business 100% effort like I do. The last two years reminded me of what it was like to root for the Cardinals in the 70s and part of the 80s. I could publicly claim to be a fan without apologizing by saying yeah I know they suck. I am not ready to go back into the 10 plus years of embarrassment again. I had two years to remind me of what fans of real NFL teams experience. The Cards of the last two years were not dominant except for the postseason run of 08. They were merely good. I am not asking too much for an organization to have a QB.

I proudly claim my allegiance to the St. Louis Cardinals and know they want to win. I do not know that I can say the same thing about Bidwill. I am in it to win. Otherwise what is the point?

 

[RugbyMuffin]

So in reality you just like having a cool place to go hang out with your friends.

That there is an NFL football game going on is secondary.

I can relate to that. It's why I play golf. I get to go to a cool place and hang out with my friends. Actually beating the Golf Course is secondary.

In my case I am there to watch the game, priority number one.

But it is just that, a game. I am not getting fired, divorced, or mamed by them losing, and I gain nothing by them winning.

There is emotion from the frustration, or the jubulation from said game. I can come here, thank goodness, to discuss those things, but in the end it is just a game.

 

[BigRedMO]

New week with new opponent but same thread? Why do uneccessary work when it still works? Anyone still expecting good results? Red Heart tell me about your passion since you think I have none. I dont like losing when it is due to lack of effort from the organization. I guess you have no problem with losing in embarrassing ways. Catfish, ownership has nothing to do with this crap? Nothing to due with who is on the field and who isnt on the field. I want to own an NFL team so I can make millions from socialist revenue sharing and be responsible for nothing. Socialism is great but only for the rich. Poor people should sink or swim on their own effort.

 

[NJCardFan]

I hate to say it but there is a lot of loser talk going on here. How can you look at this team and say it's not bad? And winning in this league is hard? Well, as this team's history shows, winning may be hard but losing seems to be a piece of cake. I've been a fan of this team since 1975 and when all you need is 2 hands to count the winning seasons in those 35 years, something must be amiss. Let's count the winning seasons since I was a fan and I'm even going to be nice and include the year before I became a fan:

1974: 10-4
1975: 11-3
1976: 10-4
1977: 7-7
1982: 5-4
1983: 8-7-1
1984: 9-7
1994: 8-8
1998: 9-7
2007: 8-8
2008: 9-7
2009: 10-6

There you have it. 12 non-losing seasons and only 9 winning seasons, 1 being a 9 game strike season. Playoff wins: 5

Also, if winning is that hard, why are there a handful of teams that seem to never or rarely lose? NE, Pittsburgh, Indy, Philly, Giants, Packers, and Ravens always seem to be in the hunt, with scant few exceptions. NE, the year they lost Brady still won 11 games. But let me tell you why I think some fans here think the way they do and that was we went to a Super Bowl and nearly won. 2008, we were not that great. We made the playoffs with a 9-7 record and 6 of those win came from our really bad division. Otherwise we went 3-7. Then we caught lightning in a bottle in the playoffs. We got spoiled. And now look at us. This team is resembling the Dave McGinnis teams all over again.

 

[BigRedMO]

Another week same results. Post still works. Bidwill is consistent.

Keep the drive alive for 3-13. That will force Bidwill to draft a very expensive rookie. He will be crying in his ice cream for sure. Lets make sure we get a QB witht hat pick even if it means trading Fitz to be first in line.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Another week same results. Post still works. Bidwill is consistent.

Keep the drive alive for 3-13. That will force Bidwill to draft a very expensive rookie. He will be crying in his ice cream for sure. Lets make sure we get a QB witht hat pick even if it means trading Fitz to be first in line.

New CBA with rookie slotting will be in effect. Could be relatively inexpensive.

 

[BigRedMO]

New CBA with rookie slotting will be in effect. Could be relatively inexpensive.

Damn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

If you are passing out blame-----then get it right. Ownership has nothing to do with the predicament we are in right now. Ownership and the front office worked very hard this off season to replace our losses. They put a really good plan out there, and did very well considering what was available to them in free agency and in the draft. They built up a run first offense, with a QB that managed the game, and took what the defense gave him. They strengthened a defense that gave up far too many scores.

THEN ----- they were rewarded for giving their head coach a new contract extension, by having him throw the entire plan away so that he could stroke his own ego by using his play-calling, and believing that he could coach-up a wild gunslinging QB to run a pass-first offense. He gets no mulligan from me, and he shouldn't get one from you either. It doesn't take a genius to realize that if his idea failed, we would end up starting an undrafted free-agent rookie at QB. How smart is that-----and just how is that deserving of a mulligan?????

How can you say the FO had a really good plan out there unless you think letting all your good players leave and replacing them with lesser, cheaper players that no one else wanted is a good plan?
Whizgets a mulligan because he has coahced the team to a SB within 3 years of being here. Graves and the ownership has years of a horrible track record. This is Whiz's first bad year and you're on hi rather than the FO. I don't get that thinking. Sure Whiz messed up the QB situation but Graves let the best part of the defense leave with no viable replacements. Bottom line was all they had to was pay them and no play this waiting game Graves always does and let them "test' the market. I'd like to know when that strategy has ever worked for Graves.
The sad thing is Graves is soooooo bad at talent evaluation. He will pay for some lower tier talent that is easily replceable,I still remember the Chris Dishman contract , but won't pay for to keep the best players that you need to win.