Why is Nash untouchable?

[mojorizen7]

No they're not. They are running an offense that is now even more prone to turnovers, because as a team the Suns are averaging two more turnovers per game than the past two seasons.

Bologna. Are you trying to say that this offense(or any other for that matter) is less prone to turnovers than the SSOL offense?
No way. Nash was one of the few guys that could run that high-risk high-reward offense and make it purr.
Nash's turnovers this season are on simple dump-ins,swing passes,pick n roll's, re-post entry passes etc...
Why is it that Barbosa isn't suffering a rash of TO's in the half court offense as opposed to trying to run the offense in the SSOL style?
Nash is wired to run & dish. If you ask him to walk it up,read the defense and run the play he struggles.

 

[cly2tw]

i'd do nash for rondo straight up in a heartbeat. if anyone here thinks nash's TO's are only a result of porter's coaching you're fooling yourself. it's called ordinary decline with age. his reflexes are milliseconds slower, and that's all it takes to make a breathtaking thread the needle pass go from an assist to a TO.

True. This season, he tends to miss the best early chances to pass to say Amare at PnR, ending up with TOs doing it later in the play. In the win vs. Pistons, he was having a rare rejuvenation of precision and caught Amare perfectly rolling to basket among other passes.

 

[cly2tw]

How do you figure that? He turns it over 3.8 times per game this season, which is only 0.2 higher than last season and exactly the same as two years ago. It's also only 0.3 higher than his second MVP season and 0.5 higher than his first. The statistics do not support your assertion.

His TOs this year are simply more costly than earlier because of our even worse transition defense with Shaq playing over 30 min and most of them with Nash, making it a bigger problem now than ever.

 

[Griffin]

They have significantly less possessions. You cant look at turnovers, but look at the turnover/possession rate.

What do you consider significantly less? We are averaging about one or two fewer possessions per game this year than last year. But the percentage of our possessions that result in a turnover is up from around 13% last year to around 15% this year. If Nash's turnovers should be lower due to the fewer possessions, then so should be everybody else's. Is everyone on a decline?

Bologna. Are you trying to say that this offense(or any other for that matter) is less prone to turnovers than the SSOL offense?
No way. Nash was one of the few guys that could run that high-risk high-reward offense and make it purr.
Nash's turnovers this season are on simple dump-ins,swing passes,pick n roll's, re-post entry passes etc...
Why is it that Barbosa isn't suffering a rash of TO's in the half court offense as opposed to trying to run the offense in the SSOL style?
Nash is wired to run & dish. If you ask him to walk it up,read the defense and run the play he struggles.

My argument was that Nash's turnovers are not necessarily an indication of his age or any decline. You argue that it's the style of play. I don't necessarily disagree with that, except that a lot of our players who were used to the old style have struggled with the change of pace, the Shaq-induced lack of spacing, and having to change styles on the fly depending on who's on the court. We have some low basketball IQ players on our team who seemed confused on offense quite a bit more this year than in the past, which also leads to an increase in turnovers for both Nash and the said players.

 

[nowagimp]

You would.

However before you trade Nash you need a replacement. Like the Suns needed a legitimate replacement for DA before they let him walk.

No kidding, I can remember all the "porter fans" when the suns brought him on as coach.

 

[nowagimp]

Why is it that Barbosa isn't suffering a rash of TO's in the half court offense as opposed to trying to run the offense in the SSOL style?

Is it really that difficult to understand that distributing the ball with all the new pieces in a stagnant half court offense leads to more TO's. LB doesnt have that problem because he doesnt pass to all those guys. LB is a shooter, and he's gotten better at finishing, his tendency to turn it over in the lane has really dropped off. Everyone else has had increases in turnovers as they try to force the ball into the low post on a collapsed defense. When the derfense is that thick in the lane the perimeter shooters, like JRich(not barnes, please) must take over and punish the defense.

 

[dodie53]

I love watching Nash stop and pop the 3 on a fast break.

jason williams tries that too (when he was still paying) but he's not much of a shooter.

 

[Mr. Boldin]

The question should be why would the Celtics trade Rondo for Nash?

They wouldnt.