Why We Wont Take An OLB In This Draft

[Pariah]

I remember being the only one on this board bitching that we made no effort to re-sign CP.

You weren't alone. There may not have been many of us, but I was saying the same thing.

 

[Buckybird]

I didn't say he was a proven All-Pro, just that he is a proven NFL 3-4 OLB. The guy made the switch from a college DT to playing LB in a year!!!! He'll be fine.

Funny you should bring up the fact that we would have a SB trophy if we had an edge rusher 2 years ago. I remember being the only one on this board bitching that we made no effort to re-sign CP. You laughed when I said said he was one of the most important players on the team. Funny how time changes things huh.

think you have me confused with someone else

 

[cardsfanmd]

How is Davis proven? yeah he looked a decent prospect AT TIMES last year but no way can you say he is proven. If he was proven Whisenhunt would've trusted him to be the starting OLB out there and you know he is not.

So I guess Hightower isn't proven either since he wont be the staretr this year? Who knows if he'll make it in this league

Furthermore to say that Brown is gonna stick around on the basis the he is a second rounder is extremely naive.

Not at all. I was saying that he gets a pass for a few years because the team obviously believes he has talent or we wouldn't have taken him in the second round.

You have to remember that the guy has had zero playing time in the NFL going into his second year.

You act as though that was because he wasn't good enough to get on the field. You do know he was hurt right???

He has to prove himself like a draft pick out of this years draft would have to and the coaching staff is not going to be having any kind of preconception about treating him differently just because he is a second rounder.

That is quite possibly the most ridiculous thing I have read in a long time. Of course he will have to prove himself, but if you don't think he has a longer leash than some UDFA trying out for the team you are nuts.

There have been first rounders here with the Cardinals who have been cut after training camp cause they werent good enough and if that is the case with Cody he wont make it either, second rounder or not.

When were these 1st round cuts again??? There has not been a first round player cut in the NFL in probably a decade at least. We have kept Alan Branch for 3 years, getting no production whatsoever for the first 2. Trust me, Cody is going nowhere anytime soon bud.

So what you have beyond two veterans who are a couple of years removed from retirement at best is one rookie who took a few snaps looks promising but is nowhere near proven and a rookie that has not even taken one snap in the NFL.

A couple of years removed from retirement??? Everyone is a couple years removed from retirement. this is the NFL, not backgammon. The average career is 4 years. And yes, that's what we have. Talk to the Cardinals, FO, not me.

You think the cards would be happy going into the next few season with that and a couple of PS members? Come on you should know better then that. The roster construction is important but believe securing the future of a position is far more important and if the Cards look at their roster properly they will realise that they have to increase the depth at the OLB spot becuase they are gonna be screwed if they dont do that soon enough.

In terms of the actuall roster construction it wouldnt actually change that much if they drafted an OLB. At the moment they have both Mark Washington and Stevie Baggs on the roster in addition to Cody Brown and Will Davis. If somebody like Thaddeus Gibson is drafted he would compete with these guys and if he wins out the spot as the premier back up at the OLB spots he would push either Washington or Baggs out to the PS or out of the roster all together i.e. getting cut. I dont see why this would be such a roster headache that it seems to you.

So you want to use a 2nd or 3rd round pick on a guy who is going to fight for a non-active roster spot? You may want to fax your resume to the Jaguars.

Why not just make a wager here?

 

[cardsfanmd]

You weren't alone. There may not have been many of us, but I was saying the same thing.

Correct, my bad. I think joeschmoe and maybe AZ'sFinest were with it too.

 

[cardsfanmd]

think you have me confused with someone else

I just looked up an old thread. You're right.

 

[HookemCards]

Yeah, I don't think we draft one either, unless somebody drops late that has tremendous value.

 

[Buckybird]

I just looked up an old thread. You're right.

no prob cardsfan, see we dont always disagree

good to have you back from your semi suspension because you bring some good things to the board

 

[Zeno]

When were these 1st round cuts again??? There has not been a first round player cut in the NFL in probably a decade at least. We have kept Alan Branch for 3 years, getting no production whatsoever for the first 2. Trust me, Cody is going nowhere anytime soon bud.

I don't think he is talking about a first rounder getting cut after his first training camp or at least I hope not. Wendell Bryant was cut before his first contract was up...for a multitude of reasons not just lack of production.

 

[Monty]

1. You're understanding of proven is absolutley ridicolous and you know it but you're a bit blindfolded by a necessity to be right. lets take a look at your foolish statement that compares the likes of Hightower to Will Davis in order to provide some evidence of how proven Will Davis is. Tim Hightower has been one of the most productive running backs in recent Cardinal history and one of the most clutch performers we've had in that position for quite some time. He would be a sole starter if it hadnt been for a destructive mean machine called Beanie Wells hadnt come along. So he splits time with a future Pro Bowler that actually tells you something about how proven Tim Hightower is .. Will Davis on the other hand has had a few snaps given to him by the coaching staff to see what he can do and he has looked decent but thats all. He has no figures to back him nor has he anywhere near significant time for the sensible amongst us to even evaluate him let alone call him proven.
Oh and BTW just by putting a little sarcasm icon at the end of your statement, does not take away from how ridicolous your initial statement about Will Davis being ''proven''.

2. Brown doesnt get a few years because they BELIEVE he has talent, he'll only get a few years if he PROVES that he can transform that talent to this level and so far he has done zilch injury or no injury. The fact he was injured will only allow him to start afresh THIS year period. If he can prove that talent is good enough to make him compete at this level he'll stay around. I actually am a big believer in Cody's talents myself having seen him play for Uconn a lot but that doesnt mean i think he is a lock to make it at the NFL level just because he was a second rounder. There have been many top college players that have failed to transcend their talent to the next level and if they cant do that teams will let them go regardless of where they were drafted.

3. The fact that Brown was a second rounder only favors him in the coaches eye to the extent that they believed in him WHEN they drafted him. They now want him to prove himself and if he cant do that then they'll have to let their initial pride take hit and let him go.I dont see this happening becuase Brown is a class player and i see him proving himself but thats just projection and no evidence which in your world it seems to be. Ofcourse its ridicolous to compare him to UDFA but thats your ridicolous comparison and not mine.


4. You need to face reality Porter and Haggans are thirty-three and they are playing a sport where their bodies are taking a beating every day and in a position where they are constantly getting bullrushed by 330lb lineman. Therefore nobody expects them to be with the Cardinals for more then 2 or 3 seasons AT BEST. Because of this the Cards need to look ahead and find their replacements NOW so the transition is smooth. If you believe these guys are gonna be around half as long as the rest of the Cardinals roster then you are deluding yourself.
5. Use a second or third rounder? Again I must remind you take some reading lesson my friend and I suggest you mail your resume to the BUSH family as you’ll fit perfectly there.
I said that we should think after the FOURTH about adding an OLB. This is line with the thinking that we need an OLB but have more pressing needs to address before then.


Not only do not tend to read what people have actually said but also you tend to jump the gun without thinking much and put words into other peoples mouths without reading what they’ve actually said. Ive no problem debating with you about the issue but I don’t want argue with somebody who puts their fingers in their ears and then makes random assumptions about what their told. Other then that I think your great.

 

[Monty]

I don't think he is talking about a first rounder getting cut after his first training camp or at least I hope not. Wendell Bryant was cut before his first contract was up...for a multitude of reasons not just lack of production.

Exactly i was referring to first rounders being cut regardless of them being first rounders, but i actually think it was my fault he misunderstood that one because i wasnt exactly clear with what i meant. It wasnt just Wendell Bryant either but if i remember correctly Clyde Duncan was released after a year with us in 85/86 but i think even more illustrious example would be the VikingDimitrious Underwood who was cut straight after his first pre-season and never played a single regular season game. I know it wasnt purely for production reasons but the point stands and that is that if the team doesnt think you're good enough or willing enough you will be released regardless of first, second and 6th round for that matter.

 

[Monty]

Why not just make a wager here?

A wager on what?

 

[cardsfanmd]

1. You're understanding of proven is absolutley ridicolous and you know it but you're a bit blindfolded by a necessity to be right. lets take a look at your foolish statement that compares the likes of Hightower to Will Davis in order to provide some evidence of how proven Will Davis is. Tim Hightower has been one of the most productive running backs in recent Cardinal history and one of the most clutch performers we've had in that position for quite some time. He would be a sole starter if it hadnt been for a destructive mean machine called Beanie Wells hadnt come along. So he splits time with a future Pro Bowler that actually tells you something about how proven Tim Hightower is .. Will Davis on the other hand has had a few snaps given to him by the coaching staff to see what he can do and he has looked decent but thats all. He has no figures to back him nor has not anywhere near significant time for the sensible amongst us to even evaluate him let alone call him proven.
Oh and BTW just by putting a little sarcasm icon at the end of your statement, does not take away from how ridicolous your initial statement about Will Davis being ''proven''.

2. Brown doesnt get a few years because they BELIEVE he has talent, he'll only get a few years if he PROVES that he can transform that talent at this level and so far he has done zilch injury or no injury. The fact he was injured will only allow him to start refresh THIS year period. If he can prove that talent is good enough to make him compete at this level he'll stay around. I actually am a big believer in Cody's talents myself having seen him play for Uconn a lot but that doesnt mean i think he is a lock to make it at the NFL level just because he was a second rounder. There have been many top college players that have failed to transcend their talent to the next level and if they cant do that teams will let them go regardless of where they were drafted.

3. The fact that Brown was a second rounder only favors him in the coaches eye to the extent that they believed in him WHEN they drafted him. They now want him to prove himself and if he cant do that then they'll have to let their initial pride take hit and let him go.I dont see this happening becuase Brown is a class player and i see him proving himself but thats just projection and no evidence which in your world it seems to be. Ofcourse its ridicolous to compare him to UDFA but thats your ridicolous comparison and not mine.


4. You need to face reality Porter and Haggans are thirty-three and they are playing a sport where their bodies are taking a beating every day and in a position where they are constantly getting bullrushed by 330lb lineman. Therefore nobody expects them to be with the Cardinals for more then 2 or 3 seasons AT BEST. Because of this the Cards need to look ahead and find their replacements NOW so the transition is smooth. If you believe these guys are gonna be around half as long as the rest of the Cardinals roster then you are deluding yourself.
5. Use a second or third rounder? Again I must remind you take some reading lesson my friend and I suggest you mail your resume to the BUSH family as you’ll fit perfectly there.
I said that we should think after the FOURTH about adding an OLB. This is line with the thinking that we need an OLB but have more pressing needs to address before then.


Not only do not tend to read what people have actually said but also you tend to jump the gun without thinking much and put words into other peoples mouths without reading what they’ve actually said. Ive no problem debating with you about the issue but I don’t want argue with somebody who puts their fingers in their ears and then makes random assumptions about what their told. Other then that I think your great.

I have nothing nice to say so I wont say anything in response to your senseless drivel . Why don't we just make a wager here? I say we wont take an OLB, you say they'll take on after the 4th round. Let's see who wins here.

 

[Mulli]

I have nothing nice to say so I wont say anything in response to your senseless drivel . Why don't we just make a wager here? I say we wont take an OLB, you say they'll take on after the 4th round. Let's see who wins here.

Two points for not responding the way you know you wanted to.

 

[Monty]

I have nothing nice to say so I wont say anything in response to your senseless drivel . Why don't we just make a wager here? I say we wont take an OLB, you say they'll take on after the 4th round. Let's see who wins here.

Can you actually read??????? i seriously doubt it. I said that the cards would only THINK about drafting an OLB after the fourth. Unlike you i dont make ridicolous, baseless and unfounded statements like 'We Wont Take an OLB In This Draft'. If you know so much about the Cardinals thinking then why are you spouting your BS on a online forum instead of making money out of it? Ill tell you why cause you dont. Im just a reasonable fan who makes calculated guesses but so far since ive been here ive made two bets and won them whilst from what i can see you seem to have lost quite a few.

Ill have to come back to this bud and that is take some good advice and learn to read it'll take you far in life.

 

[Cardiac]

Can you actually read??????? i seriously doubt it. I said that the cards would only THINK about drafting an OLB after the fourth. Unlike you i dont make ridicolous, baseless and unfounded statements like 'We Wont Take an OLB In This Draft'. If you know so much about the Cardinals thinking then why are you spouting your BS on a online forum instead of making money out of it? Ill tell you why cause you dont. Im just a reasonable fan who makes calculated guesses but so far since ive been here ive made two bets and won them whilst from what i can see you seem to have lost quite a few.

Ill have to come back to this bud and that is take some good advice and learn to read it'll take you far in live.

FWIW. Calm down Monty.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Ill have to come back to this bud and that is take some good advice and learn to read it'll take you far in live.

Eloquently put, far in live indeed... You bring some info to the table Monty, but often you also come off as a major dick. A little civility would do you some good.

 

[Monty]

FWIW. Calm down Monty.

I dont think ive done anything wrong. Ive just defended my opinion if somebody else starts getting personal im gonna defend myself thats all.

 

[Monty]

Eloquently put, far in live indeed... You bring some info to the table Monty, but often you also come off as a major dick. A little civility would do you some good.

I dont see where ive acted the way you say i have but i can see this may be getting a bit out of hand so i will be reasonable and step away. btw i dont see any reason for you to personally attack me so i think you should pipe down your personal insults as well.

 

[cardsfanmd]

Exactly i was referring to first rounders being cut regardless of them being first rounders, but i actually think it was my fault he misunderstood that one because i wasnt exactly clear with what i meant. It wasnt just Wendell Bryant either but if i remember correctly Clyde Duncan was released after a year with us in 85/86 but i think even more illustrious example would be the VikingDimitrious Underwood who was cut straight after his first pre-season and never played a single regular season game. I know it wasnt purely for production reasons but the point stands and that is that if the team doesnt think you're good enough or willing enough you will be released regardless of first, second and 6th round for that matter.

Underwood was cut after a pre-season game??? Not by the Vikings bud. Underwood was bi-polar who also suffered from manic depression IIRC and went AWOL the day after he signed his rook deal. It had zero to do with any type of production. He didn't want to be there because he was beefing with God or something. he never played a regular season game??? He played some preseason ball with the Dolphins and played like 2 or 3 years with the Cowpukes and I think someone else as well.

Way to go!!!

 

[Monty]

Underwood was cut after a pre-season game??? Not by the Vikings bud. Underwood was bi-polar who also suffered from manic depression IIRC and went AWOL the day after he signed his rook deal. It had zero to do with any type of production. He didn't want to be there because he was beefing with God or something. he never played a regular season game??? He played some preseason ball with the Dolphins and played like 2 or 3 years with the Cowpukes and I think someone else as well.

Way to go!!!

Again not reading i said after his first preseason nothing about a game there or anything about production but you know what as others have indicated to me just now its not worth it so ill be the better man and leave it there. But my advice to you stands learn to read better bud it will get you far in LIFE.

 

[cardsfanmd]

Again not reading i said after his first preseason nothing about a game there or anything about production but you know what as others have indicated to me just now its not worth it so ill be the better man and leave it there. But my advice to you stands learn to read better bud it will get you far in LIFE.

You said it wasn't "purely for production". How did it have anything to do with production if he never practiced once with the team????No need to leave, I am not sitting here throwing insults and yours don't bother me in the least. I just want you to enlighten me here. What inkling of production could you rate on a guy who never practiced?

 

[Monty]

You said it wasn't "purely for production". How did it have anything to do with production if he never practiced once with the team????No need to leave, I am not sitting here throwing insults and yours don't bother me in the least. I just want you to enlighten me here. What inkling of production could you rate on a guy who never practiced?

Its very simple LEARN TO READ. and that is not an insult by the way its very good advice. I was referring to Underwood in the sense that he was released after going to camp with the Vikings which is where youre wrong as well because he did go to camp. The only reason i mentioned him was because you made another ridicolous statement ( a growing trend im noticing with you btw) that no first rounder had ever been cut i never said anything about production previous to that. The production facet of my argument was in reference to Zeno having made a correct statement that some get released on the basis of production and others for other reasons. Underwood was cut because he went AWOL DURING camp and he did practice whilst there before that. I dont have time to argue with those who refuse to read before they jump the gun and its something you do in EVERY post. Im gonna follow the draft now but if i was you i would heed my advice and take some comprehension lessons. And that is not an insult its actually very sound advice that will stand you in good stead in the future. Just take it as good advice from one buddy to another.

 

[cardsfanmd]

Its very simple LEARN TO READ. and that is not an insult by the way its very good advice. I was referring to Underwood in the sense that he was released after going to camp with the Vikings which is where youre wrong as well because he did go to camp. The only reason i mentioned him was because you made another ridicolous statement ( a growing trend im noticing with you btw) that no first rounder had ever been cut i never said anything about production previous to that. The production facet of my argument was in reference to Zeno having made a correct statement that some get released on the basis of production and others for other reasons. Underwood was cut because he went AWOL DURING camp and he did practice whilst there before that. I dont have time to argue with those who refuse to read before they jump the gun and its something you do in EVERY post. Im gonna follow the draft now but if i was you i would heed my advice and take some comprehension lessons. And that is not an insult its actually very sound advice that will stand you in good stead in the future. Just take it as good advice from one buddy to another.

Very telling about the moderators on this board. For all the bs insults you're throwing around I would have have already been tossed 6 posts ago.

I never said that no 1st rounder had been cut. Perhaps you should heed your own advice in regards to learning to read. Could you please show me where I said that?

And no he didn't practice. How many rookies do you know of that practiced prior to signing their contract??? He went AWOL the day after signing.

 

[Monty]

Very telling about the moderators on this board. For all the bs insults you're throwing around I would have have already been tossed 6 posts ago.

I never said that no 1st rounder had been cut. Perhaps you should heed your own advice in regards to learning to read. Could you please show me where I said that?

And no he didn't practice. How many rookies do you know of that practiced prior to signing their contract??? He went AWOL the day after signing.

Look ive told you to take my advice im not insulting you. If you are thinking you can entice me into getting myself banned then you are gonna fail im too smart for that. So im just gonna leave it there. Best thing for you to do is to take my advice and i hope you enjoy the draft. good luck.

 

[cardsfanmd]

Look ive told you to take my advice im not insulting you. If you are thinking you can entice me into getting myself banned then you are gonna fail im too smart for that. So im just gonna leave it there. Best thing for you to do is to take my advice and i hope you enjoy the draft. good luck.

You are awesome. Could you just do me a favor though and just point out where exactly it was that I said what you claim that I recently posted in regards to no 1st round picks ever being cut? Oh my bad, I never said that, you were just being delusional, oops. You should really learn how to read bud, it may help you in life .