Why Whisenhunt Drives Me Nuts

[Russ Smith]

Is it me or are many of the same people that seem to want Whiz gone the same people that said Horton was in over his head early last season?

Whiz isn't perfect and the QB situation is frustrating but most of the people who want him gone seem to now be advocating replacing him with Horton, and many of them wanted Horton gone not all that long ago.

 

[Mulli]

Is it me or are many of the same people that seem to want Whiz gone the same people that said Horton was in over his head early last season?

Whiz isn't perfect and the QB situation is frustrating but most of the people who want him gone seem to now be advocating replacing him with Horton, and many of them wanted Horton gone not all that long ago.

Someone wants Horton as the HC? That is loony.

 

[Russ Smith]

Someone wants Horton as the HC? That is loony.

I've seen several comments that if we're not careful someone will hire him out from under us so we ought to just can Whiz and promote Horton.

 

[Mulli]

I've seen several comments that if we're not careful someone will hire him out from under us so we ought to just can Whiz and promote Horton.

Oh yes.

 

[kerouac9]

Is it me or are many of the same people that seem to want Whiz gone the same people that said Horton was in over his head early last season?

Whiz isn't perfect and the QB situation is frustrating but most of the people who want him gone seem to now be advocating replacing him with Horton, and many of them wanted Horton gone not all that long ago.

Horton was in over his head early last season. Isn't that clear? The defense was blaming each other on the field, during play, Horton had to scale back two-thirds of the playbook to get everyone on the same page.

I'm not advocating for Whis to be fired this season, or even next necessarily, but to swing the "You were wrong about Horton" stick based on the defense's play early last year is kind of a non sequitur.

 

[Paso Fino]

To mention, Trippi, Angsman and Christman while ignoring the 4th member of the Dream Backfield (Pat Harder*) is just short of heracy.

* In addition to playing FB, Harder also kicked XP's and FG's.

You're absolutely right. It dawned on me that I had forgotten an important player of the dream backfield.

 

[football karma]

re: Whis the coach.

Look -- in a Qb driven league, he got this team to 8-8 with some of the worst collective QB play in the NFL. that says something is being done correctly.


re: Whis the quasi-GM

this is a model that rarely works. Even Belichek in NE has dropped off personnel wise since Paoli left. My biggest problem with Rod Graves is that we have a GM that facilitates what the coach wants, instead of offering a strong/equal second opinion on what players the team needs. This problem belongs to Michael B.

 

[Mulli]

re: Whis the coach.

Look -- in a Qb driven league, he got this team to 8-8 with some of the worst collective QB play in the NFL. that says something is being done correctly.


re: Whis the quasi-GM

this is a model that rarely works. Even Belichek in NE has dropped off personnel wise since Paoli left. My biggest problem with Rod Graves is that we have a GM that facilitates what the coach wants, instead of offering a strong/equal second opinion on what players the team needs. This problem belongs to Michael B.

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[Russ Smith]

Horton was in over his head early last season. Isn't that clear? The defense was blaming each other on the field, during play, Horton had to scale back two-thirds of the playbook to get everyone on the same page.

I'm not advocating for Whis to be fired this season, or even next necessarily, but to swing the "You were wrong about Horton" stick based on the defense's play early last year is kind of a non sequitur.

Disagree he wasn't over his head, the team hadn't caught on to his system yet in part because it was such an unusual offseason. Once they figured out his system and weren't confused anymore, the defense got markedly better.

People were screaming for his head last year, he clearly doesn't know what he's doing, the players are all confused this is a joke who hired this guy. You should have read the game threads you'd have thought we found the guy at a bus stop and hired him or something.

now he's a genius and we should fire Whiz to avoid losing Horton.

I'm just pointing out the board has a tendency to fly off the handle and rush to judgement.

 

[Duckjake]

Disagree he wasn't over his head, the team hadn't caught on to his system yet in part because it was such an unusual offseason. Once they figured out his system and weren't confused anymore, the defense got markedly better.

People were screaming for his head last year, he clearly doesn't know what he's doing, the players are all confused this is a joke who hired this guy. You should have read the game threads you'd have thought we found the guy at a bus stop and hired him or something.

now he's a genius and we should fire Whiz to avoid losing Horton.

I'm just pointing out the board has a tendency to fly off the handle and rush to judgement.

They were perfectly understandable criticisms. Horton was another Pittsburgh crony and was the Steelers secondary Coach. Said to be the weakest part of the Pittsburgh Defense. Then the defense started having trouble once they played the better teams and it looked like we had Russ Grimm part two.

The Cards had lost 15 of 18 games when they got to 1-6 last season. Everyone associated with the team deserved every bit of criticism they received. Finally Horton's defense turns around and the Cards finish 7-2. Easy to see why the opinion changed and Horton suddenly became a genius.

I've written it before. No fans of any team in the NFL are going to be happy with 3-15. Well except for 40year.