Will James be back in 2008? (EVT)....

[imaCafan]

http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/105646

“You never know what’s going to happen,” he said. “I came into the toughest situation you could possibly come in. Look what I’ve accomplished. I guess because it’s me it’s not enough. That’s the crazy part. No matter what I do, it’s not enough.”

 

[Skkorpion]

Thank you for posting that.

A $7 mill cap hit for Edge and he's feeling unappreciated? His goals are to increase his career stats? His Cards career is over.

 

[DaisyCutter]

Somers has a really good blog entry on this today, as well. Worth checking out.

I don't think they'll do anything unless a solutions presents itself.

 

[cardsfanmd]

I heart Edge. The man has done nothing but bust his butt and make something out of nothing for the last two years. I hope he remains a Cardinal.

 

[imaCafan]

I heart Edge. The man has done nothing but bust his butt and make something out of nothing for the last two years. I hope he remains a Cardinal.

Exactly why I posted this. ANY (o.k. almost any) other back in this league would have been hard pressed to get the 1200+ yards Edge got. And I prefer the +6, +2, +5, +3, +11, +3, etc. to +0, -1, +1, -2, +40, -2, -1 way of getting 1200. One sustains drives, while the other most times gives you 3 and out (JMHO).....

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Exactly why I posted this. ANY (o.k. almost any) other back in this league would have been hard pressed to get the 1200+ yards Edge got. And I prefer the +6, +2, +5, +3, +11, +3, etc. to +0, -1, +1, -2, +40, -2, -1 way of getting 1200. One sustains drives, while the other most times gives you 3 and out (JMHO).....

Since we all like to throw his name in the mix here, does anyone think that Adrian Peterson could not run for 1200 yards behind this line?

 

[hafey]

It is such the cardinal way to take a perfectly capable and productive player and cut them, thus creating a huge need. I think the Edge supporters will be the first to admit he's not the dynamic runner he once was, but he's still very capable.

If the playoffs are really the goal next year, then wouldn't the money and/or draft pick spent on a new starter at running back be better spent on a pass rusher, or secondary help, or depth on both lines?

 

[dreamcastrocks]

It is such the cardinal way to take a perfectly capable and productive player and cut them, thus creating a huge need. I think the Edge supporters will be the first to admit he's not the dynamic runner he once was, but he's still very capable.

If the playoffs are really the goal next year, then wouldn't the money and/or draft pick spent on a new starter at running back be better spent on a pass rusher, or secondary help, or depth on both lines?

Yes, but why are you bringing logic into this thread?

 

[imaCafan]

All things being equal, I think that if we had just made 1 more move this past year (adding Faneca somehow) we would still be watching Cardinal football this weekend......

 

[Rivercard]

All things being equal, I think that if we had just made 1 more move this past year (adding Faneca somehow) we would still be watching Cardinal football this weekend......

Cutting Rackers??

 

[Renz]

Not cutting Player?

 

[cardsfanmd]

Since we all like to throw his name in the mix here, does anyone think that Adrian Peterson could not run for 1200 yards behind this line?

Quite simply no. If we had Peterson we wouldn't have Levi Brown and our RT would have been Wells/E.Brown all year. AD only got 1,300 behind one of the best runblocking lines in the league. Also, do you think that Peterson is able to pick up a blitz like Edge yet? I am not hating on Peterson, just asking that Edge gets the credit he deserves.

 

[Proteus]

Quite simply no. If we had Peterson we wouldn't have Levi Brown and our RT would have been Wells/E.Brown all year. AD only got 1,300 behind one of the best runblocking lines in the league. Also, do you think that Peterson is able to pick up a blitz like Edge yet? I am not hating on Peterson, just asking that Edge gets the credit he deserves.

Peterson had a much higher yards per carry though, 5.6 vs Edge's 3.8 though.

Peterson's yard total would have been higher if he hadn't missed 2 games.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Since we all like to throw his name in the mix here, does anyone think that Adrian Peterson could not run for 1200 yards behind this line?

After getting in a huge 2 hour debate about this. There are a couple that do I am certain of it.

I don't agree with them, obviously, but there are some that think AP would get 1200 yard behind this line (and the truth of the matter would be this oline minus Levi Brown & Oliver Ross).

I think it is a good idea for the Cardinals to keep their options open concerning the future of the RB position. But Edge should be on this team next year.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Peterson had a much higher yards per carry though, 5.6 vs Edge's 3.8 though.

Peterson's yard total would have been higher if he hadn't missed 2 games.

But he did, and that was one of the knocks on him was his durability so it is not out of the ordinary that he got hurt.

And he got hurt behind an all pro line. IMHO, AP would not have lasted very long behind our line minus one Levi Brown.

Furthermore, he was in a two back system. That is a huge advantage for any player and especially a RB.

Examples:

Troy Hambrick's big year splitting time with Emmit Smith.

Kurt Warner's Success splitting time with Matt Leinart.

etc., etc.

It helps. THat being said when AP becomes THE back in Minnesota I think he will flourish. I will be sure to eat crow if he keeps a 5.6 ypc when he is the primary back in Minnesota. But I expect that number to go down.

 

[Duckjake]

don't agree with them, obviously, but there are some that think AP would get 1200 yard behind this line (and the truth of the matter would be this oline minus Levi Brown & Oliver Ross).

Only 6 backs had more yards than Edge. Not a lot of room for anyone to improve.

But I would have liked to have watched this offense:

QB Matt Warner
RB Adrian Peterson/Edgerrin James
FB T. Smith
WR A Boldin
WR L Fitzgerald
TE Leonard Patrick
LT Gandy
LG LDavis
C Johnson
RG Latui
RT Wells

We'd have won every game 45-38.

 

[DaisyCutter]

Happily, I was thinking that it's a great possibility that the 2008 Arizona Cardinals will likely deploy the same personnel on the first game of the season as the 2007 Arizona Cardinals did. That's one of the reasons that I'm hoping the Cards realize that it's better two have two good backs than one good back and a bunch of garbage.

QB - Matt Leinart
RB - Edgerrin James
FB - Terrell Smith
WR - Anquan Boldin
TE - Leonard Pope
RT - Levi Brown
RG - Deuce Lutui
C - Al Johnson
LG - Reggie Wells
LT - Mike Gandy
WR - Larry Fitzgerald

Considering the churning that this roster has gone through this season, being able to field the same 11 starters next year would be a huge step forward.

Now, on defense...

 

[red desert]

Exactly why I posted this. ANY (o.k. almost any) other back in this league would have been hard pressed to get the 1200+ yards Edge got. And I prefer the +6, +2, +5, +3, +11, +3, etc. to +0, -1, +1, -2, +40, -2, -1 way of getting 1200. One sustains drives, while the other most times gives you 3 and out (JMHO).....

That's just not true.

For every extra one or two yards that he got after contact, he more than lost for us by hitting the wrong hole, or hitting the hole but having it close up on him due to his lack of explosion.

 

[red desert]

All things being equal, I think that if we had just made 1 more move this past year (adding Faneca somehow) we would still be watching Cardinal football this weekend......

I absolutely agree. Funny how when talk of possible going after Faneca last offseason arose, there were more than a few posters that balked at going after a "washed up o-lineman".

 

[red desert]

Only 6 backs had more yards than Edge. Not a lot of room for anyone to improve.

But I would have liked to have watched this offense:

QB Matt Warner
RB Adrian Peterson/Edgerrin James
FB T. Smith
WR A Boldin
WR L Fitzgerald
TE Leonard Patrick
LT Gandy
LG LDavis
C Johnson
RG Latui
RT Wells

We'd have won every game 45-38.

Bet that.

My Puerto Rican brother-in-law always says that. Cracks me up. I think it means HELL YEAH!

 

[Faithful]

I think the Edge supporters will be the first to admit he's not the dynamic runner he once was, but he's still very capable.

KEEP EDGE!!!

 

[imaCafan]

AP's production the final 3 games were 40 attempts for a 3.5 YPC average. So if he had a mediocre line at best to run behind all year........just saying (mostly 'cause I like Edge on our team)......

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Quite simply no. If we had Peterson we wouldn't have Levi Brown and our RT would have been Wells/E.Brown all year. AD only got 1,300 behind one of the best runblocking lines in the league. Also, do you think that Peterson is able to pick up a blitz like Edge yet? I am not hating on Peterson, just asking that Edge gets the credit he deserves.

You do realize that Edge had more YPC average on the left side of the line, right?

 

[chickenhead]

In this debate, keeping him wins out until an alternative sends the equation the other way. We're not going to get McFadden (assuming he performs), and many would consider gambling on another RB in the first round as a wasted pick. Can you find a treasure later? Yes, but the odds are too slim to balance against cutting Edge. Like some of the above posters, I like the idea of a two-back system with Edge, but don't think we have that second back on our roster. I don't know if the Cards can get it in place for next year, but it could change a lot of dynamics.

 

[DaisyCutter]

AP's production the final 3 games were 40 attempts for a 3.5 YPC average. So if he had a mediocre line at best to run behind all year........just saying (mostly 'cause I like Edge on our team)......

Because he was facing 10 defenders in the box on every play. Put a passing game behind Adrian Peterson and he'll make an average line look great.