Will Someone again supply text of todays Graves interview?

[john h]

Re: Let me say

Originally posted by Chris_Sanders
That I favor trading down.

I don't like Johnson and I feel the best value will be in the 20's in this draft.

Some teams still take the best player available when they draft regardless of need. Who is the best #6 available regardless of position? I guess when in doubt take the best guy and forget the rest.

 

[EndZone]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Last week

Originally posted by kerouac9
Yeah, but the Pack drafts QBs in rounds 5-7, when it doesn't cost them anything and doesn't really matter if they pan out or not. Do you know who their #2 is right now? Doug Freaking Pederson, the Dave Brown of the NFC North. Also, did you forget that they've been talking about drafting their real QB of the future in Round 1 this season, possibly Rex Grossman?

You can't keep using high picks on the same position year after year. That's a way to build a really crappy team (see Bengals, Cardinals [5 of last 6 #1s on O & D lines]). You have to give your young guys a chance to develop. Anything else is a recipe for a QB controversy, like what was going on in Detriot with Harrington and McMahon. Also, do you really thing AZ Fan would wait through a 4-12 season with a #6 QB sitting on the bench? Hell, no. We were demanding Jake be the starter halfway through his rookie season.

We drafted him with a freeby...it was a compensatory pick that we wouldn't have had earlier. Of course they are not going to say "Yea he sucks but we are going to try and make something out of him" They will tout all of the draft picks as the future until the are gone. If they draft Byron and then Josh turns into something too (because Byron is going to be a stud!) then they can trade him for a #1 later..now that is a good bargin draft a guy with a free 3rd rounder and then trade him for a 1st and we still have the 2005 NFL MVP and 2 time 2004 and 2005 Superbowl MVP Byron Leftwich.

 

[Cardiac]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Last week

Originally posted by kerouac9
Perhaps no one on this board would be, but a ton of people in the stands, drunk and stupid, would be calling for Leftwich.

So your point here is that the coaches etc. care what "drunk and stupid" fans in the stands are calling for. What a horrible way to manage a team, by making decisions on what fans are clamoring for! No good team makes decisions based on what fans want. Plus how many people wanted McCown to start some games last year but the Cards did what they thought was best?


Perhaps those people who were hating on Jake for every pick that he threw after the ball was popped up in the air by the reciever whose hands it hit would be calling for him.

Yeah the problem with Jake was all about his WR's turning well thrown balls into interceptions. Maybe your point here does more to discredit you position than anything else.


AZ fans are not savvy enough (like NY Jet fan, for example) to wait a year or two for a rookie to come of age (looking in your direction, those who are calling Wendell Bryant a bust) on the bench before charging into the starting lineup.


I guess I don't share the same opinion of fans in the Northeast as you do. Plus you have to consider the difference between teams, the Cards haven't won much of anything, the Jets have had some success, like getting to the playoffs the last couple of years. So they had a little more patience since Vinny was winning far more games than Jake was.


I think we can all admit to ourselves that only a staggering draft (something in the ballpark of best draft among all the other teams in the league) will keep the Cards competitive this season, and by competitive, I mean 7-9. I don't think that the coaching staff or management could handle the heat of having the press and fans calling for the rook after a three-game losing streak. They showed that they didn't when Jake was a rook. They showed that they didn't with Thomas Jones. I can see that after Blake's first 2-pick game, Bickley will be asking why we have a $6 mil. #1 draft pick sitting on the bench when surely he could equal that performance on the field as a starter.


The Cards have a rich history of not doing what the fans are clamoring for. The decisions on TJ etc were based on performance and injuries, not the chants of fans in the stands.


Also, where are all the people that were hating on stunting M. Shipp's growth by signing Emmitt? What would this do to the growth of McCown?

You can't compare the development of a RB and a QB, the positions are polar opposites in regards to how much time is needed to develop them. Most people would agree that RB's take the least amount of time and QB's take the most amount of time. All teams split playing time at RB, almost no team ever splits playing time at QB.

Josh McCown was taken in the 3rd rd because he was a good value pick at the time and because the Cards desperately needed some young talent at the position. Dennis Johnson was taken for the same reason in the same rd but most of us would take Suggs in rd 1 so why wouldn't the Cards do the same thing with the most important position on the team, QB. Also the position that best holds it's value for trade bait is at QB. So the Cards get lucky and both Leftwich and McCown develop into great QB's, there is absolutely NO downside with this. For 6 years our only real option at QB was Jake, how did that turn out?

 

[Cardinals.Ken]

Originally posted by SECTION 11
ya hear that?

(thump thump thump)

that's my SKULL!!!

LOL

That makes me wonder if Charles Jefferson is available. We could sign him to a big enough contract that he could afford a new car everyweek, so that we could smash them up before gameday!

"Don't worry dude, my daaaad has an AWESOME set of tools..."