Will the Suns draft Marquese Chriss at #4

[slinslin]

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https://twitter.com/paulcoro/status/743921879258390528

https://twitter.com/stevefoote12/status/743923195435069440

 

[Ronin]

It so hard to figure out who's who in that pic. Coro needs to add a flash to his camera.lol

 

[elindholm]

"Journalism"

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I have been converted. I hope so

 

[slinslin]

It so hard to figure out who's who in that pic. Coro needs to add a flash to his camera.lol

Coro did not take the picture and it is definitely Chriss and McDonough.

 

[Mainstreet]

It sounds like the Suns are going to draft Chriss at #4.

Troy Tauscher
‏@tt_sports

@stevefoote12 @paulcoro McD got a tip from Ainge that the Celts are taking Bender so he's gunning for plan B

So were the Suns wanting to draft Bender at #4 (referencing the mention of plan B)?

 

[slinslin]

It sounds like the Suns are going to draft Chriss at #4.

that seemed like a tweet from a random guy who is just guessing

Bender is not visiting the Celtics until Tuesday.

 

[Mainstreet]

that seemed like a tweet from a random guy who is just guessing

Bender is not visiting the Celtics until Tuesday.

It does sound like the Suns will choose between Chriss and Bender unless a trade happens.

In the picture it does look like Chriss because he has a longer neck.

 

[StreetTruckinTitan]

McD showing Chriss some love at Elements. Atleast McDs not cheap.

 

[Russ Smith]

would be very cool if he goes that high. He played at Pleasant Grove HS in Sacramento, Elk Grove really. I very remotely know the coach at Sheldon HS. We watched a replay on tv once of Sheldon playing PG and Chriss just literally jumped off the screen at you. He said he thought Chriss was making a mistake going to UW he was going to follow his best friend who'd committed to play football there and he said if he waits a month or two the whole Pac 12 is going to discover him and start recruiting him.

Chriss grew from like 6'2" to 6'8" over one summer so he went from SG to playing 5 on his HS team in one summer. Sort of blew up at Pangos but by then he'd essentially picked UW. He said he'd never seen a kid improve that much that quickly usually when a kid has that quick of a growth spurt it takes them awhile to adjust but Chriss just blew up.

 

[slinslin]

would be very cool if he goes that high. He played at Pleasant Grove HS in Sacramento, Elk Grove really. I very remotely know the coach at Sheldon HS. We watched a replay on tv once of Sheldon playing PG and Chriss just literally jumped off the screen at you. He said he thought Chriss was making a mistake going to UW he was going to follow his best friend who'd committed to play football there and he said if he waits a month or two the whole Pac 12 is going to discover him and start recruiting him.

Chriss grew from like 6'2" to 6'8" over one summer so he went from SG to playing 5 on his HS team in one summer. Sort of blew up at Pangos but by then he'd essentially picked UW. He said he'd never seen a kid improve that much that quickly usually when a kid has that quick of a growth spurt it takes them awhile to adjust but Chriss just blew up.

From all I heard UW has terrible terrible coaching.

 

[Russ Smith]

From all I heard UW has terrible terrible coaching.

That was why the guy said he made a mistake picking UW he'd get to run and jump but wouldn't learn anything.

I hope he has a great career but he's the classic boom/bust pick. Spectacular athlete but he has no idea how to play the 4 because hes only been doing it a couple of years he's basically a guard who grew into a 4's body. Great leaper but no idea about boxing out or timing.

With good coaching he could be a good player which is why this guy wanted him to not go play for Romar. Of course I don't care who the coach is 8 months in college a coach can only do so much. He's sort of the reverse trend he was a TE who moved over to basketball instead of a basketball player who became a TE.

 

[slinslin]

http://arizonasports.com/player/?a=322608

Gambo starting at 32:00

says Suns are looking at Chriss, Hield and Murray at 4 and thinks it is Chriss.

Says Suns scouts love Chriss. Think he is the biggest risk/reward player in the entire draft.

Heard Chriss compared to Amare, to McDyess, high character, quick jumper like Marion...

 

[AzStevenCal]

I hope we draft him and I hope we hire a full time coach to teach him how to play the game. Something along the lines of what we tried to do with Barbosa but with even more one on one work. I've seen him compared to Amare, Shawn Kemp, Tyrus Thomas, Tim Thomas, Antonio McDyess, Stromile Swift and Hakim Warrick. Obviously, we're hoping for more of the Dice/Kemp/Stat mix than the other guys but I think a big part of that will be up to us and how we handle him.

 

[slinslin]

Btw Chriss studied engineering at UW.

Tyrus Thomas and Stromile Swift have never been able to pull off advanced offensive moves that Chriss is already showing. Chriss is already showing an offensive arsenal that reminds me of Markieff Morris but well imagine Markieff Morris with the athleticism of Amare Stoudemire/Shawn Kemp/Shawn Marion..

And Warwick I dont think had the size.

His floor is not that low. Can anyone think of a super athletic 6'10 PF with offensive skills that was mediocre? I think that would be Chriss floor but I can only think of super athletic 4s that were stars -> Amare, McDyess, Kemp, Griffin or super athletic 4s who were busts because they had no real offensive games like Tyrus Thomas, Stromile Swift. Maybe Dwight Powell is his floor.

Can't wait to see Booker and Chriss pick and rolls. That should be nothing short of amazing when Chriss learns to set good screens and Booker has shown he can throw that alley oop pass to a 35 year old Chandler.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I am scared to death. I don't want to draft the next Anthony Bennett, Stromile Swift, or Michael Beasley. I have seen so many of these extremely athletic players with skill limitations fail miserably. There are three things that would greatly concern me about Chriss.

1. Injuries. Most big athletic players like this have ongoing injury issues. The med staff better do their homework.

2. BBIQ, which is not the same as IQ. Brandon Knight is a very intelligent person, but seem to lack BBIQ. Associated with that is teachableness and work ethic.

3. Rebounding. How often do you see a poor college rebounder become a decent rebounder in the pros. I cannot think of one. I do not want to have a poor rebounding pf. We've done that way too often over the Suns history.

When you draft this high, you cannot afford to miss. These opportunities don't come often.

 

[leclerc]

I was reading barbecue IQ and thinking what...?

Less than a week to the decision.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I am scared to death. I don't want to draft the next Anthony Bennett, Stromile Swift, or Michael Beasley. I have seen so many of these extremely athletic players with skill limitations fail miserably. There are three things that would greatly concern me about Chriss.

1. Injuries. Most big athletic players like this have ongoing injury issues. The med staff better do their homework.

2. BBIQ, which is not the same as IQ. Brandon Knight is a very intelligent person, but seem to lack BBIQ. Associated with that is teachableness and work ethic.

3. Rebounding. How often do you see a poor college rebounder become a decent rebounder in the pros. I cannot think of one. I do not want to have a poor rebounding pf. We've done that way too often over the Suns history.

When you draft this high, you cannot afford to miss. These opportunities don't come often.

If you really can't afford to miss then you need to trade the pick even though it will have far less trade value than usual. Or settle for someone with a somewhat lower ceiling. Draft Sabonis or Ellenson and live with the possibility that a half dozen players taken in the lottery will be far superior. There just aren't any safe picks with high ceilings IMO.

But I see it the other way, you can't afford to settle with a pick this high. Swing for the fences and live with the increased odds of striking out. Play is safe at 13. That's not to say that Chriss is the right pick, it's just I wouldn't shy away from accepting risk with our 4th pick. All I really hope for is that Ryan and the scouts have absolutely fallen in love with whoever they pick.

 

[Mainstreet]

If you really can't afford to miss then you need to trade the pick even though it will have far less trade value than usual. Or settle for someone with a somewhat lower ceiling. Draft Sabonis or Ellenson and live with the possibility that a half dozen players taken in the lottery will be far superior. There just aren't any safe picks with high ceilings IMO.

But I see it the other way, you can't afford to settle with a pick this high. Swing for the fences and live with the increased odds of striking out. Play is safe at 13. That's not to say that Chriss is the right pick, it's just I wouldn't shy away from accepting risk with our 4th pick. All I really hope for is that Ryan and the scouts have absolutely fallen in love with whoever they pick.

Unless Mcdonough is in love with Chriss or Bender as a player, the Suns should trade the #4 pick if there is an interesting offer. Swinging for the fences can lead to strikeouts. Both Chriss and Bender are project players. I wouldn't be surprised to see one or both fail or have less than expected careers. However, if the Suns stick with #4, I think you have to go with scouting projections and draft Chriss, Bender or Brown.

If the Suns could trade down slightly (a few notches) from #4 and draft Ellenson, Sabonis or whoever and get a future first round pick or a player they like, the Suns should look at it strongly.

 

[GatorAZ]

Hardwood Paroxysm– ‏@HPbasketball
Marquese Chriss’ defensive instincts are like watching a drunk basset hound chase a ninja.
12:03 AM - 16 Jun 2016

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Also it sounds like Jaylen Brown has cancelled his workout with Minnesota and is visiting Boston for the second time. looks like both Chriss & Bender will be on the board...

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[JCSunsfan]

If you really can't afford to miss then you need to trade the pick even though it will have far less trade value than usual. Or settle for someone with a somewhat lower ceiling. Draft Sabonis or Ellenson and live with the possibility that a half dozen players taken in the lottery will be far superior. There just aren't any safe picks with high ceilings IMO.

But I see it the other way, you can't afford to settle with a pick this high. Swing for the fences and live with the increased odds of striking out. Play is safe at 13. That's not to say that Chriss is the right pick, it's just I wouldn't shy away from accepting risk with our 4th pick. All I really hope for is that Ryan and the scouts have absolutely fallen in love with whoever they pick.

But many, many, "safe" picks ended up being the superior pick (Nash, Majerle, even Booker was the logical safe pick in that situation last year). "Safe" does not mean inferior. Swinging for the fences most often means throwing the dice on an unlikely prospect. Sabonis is much more than a safe pick. He might be the superior pick (not at 4). I do not like Chriss as a prospect unless he can play the 3. Bender looks to me to be the better prospect here. But that is a huge risk too.

 

[AzStevenCal]

But many, many, "safe" picks ended up being the superior pick (Nash, Majerle, even Booker was the logical safe pick in that situation last year). "Safe" does not mean inferior. Swinging for the fences most often means throwing the dice on an unlikely prospect. Sabonis is much more than a safe pick. He might be the superior pick (not at 4). I do not like Chriss as a prospect unless he can play the 3. Bender looks to me to be the better prospect here. But that is a huge risk too.

Of course they do but I don't see the Nash and Majerle examples as being "safe picks". Both of them were considered questionable NBA talents. To me, safe pick is someone like Frank Kaminsky. Not a very high ceiling but a very low chance of busting and very likely to perform to at least the historical average of his draft slot.

Chriss is definitely a boom or bust guy but it sounds to me like you're focusing on the rebounds. If so, I'd say that in today's game there is probably no more unimportant stat for a space-the-court big man than rebounds. Actually I think they may be the least important individual stat there is. If your team is losing games because they are being dominated on the boards, I'd look for the culprit but otherwise it really tells you very little.

When I look at Marquese I'm torn between thinking of Amare and thinking of Gerald Green. Gerald was a highlight reel from the moment he stepped on the court but despite decent numbers, he always made his teams worse. The casual Celtics fans thought they had a superstar in the making but the involved fans saw his weaknesses through the highlights. I'm a little worried that's what's going on here with Chriss. The advantage of Chriss though is that he has a legitimate reason to be this clueless and there's real hope that he will become the superstar many thought Gerald would have been. Or the healthy Amare could have been.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Of course they do but I don't see the Nash and Majerle examples as being "safe picks". Both of them were considered questionable NBA talents. To me, safe pick is someone like Frank Kaminsky. Not a very high ceiling but a very low chance of busting and very likely to perform to at least the historical average of his draft slot.

Chriss is definitely a boom or bust guy but it sounds to me like you're focusing on the rebounds. If so, I'd say that in today's game there is probably no more unimportant stat for a space-the-court big man than rebounds. Actually I think they may be the least important individual stat there is. If your team is losing games because they are being dominated on the boards, I'd look for the culprit but otherwise it really tells you very little.

When I look at Marquese I'm torn between thinking of Amare and thinking of Gerald Green. Gerald was a highlight reel from the moment he stepped on the court but despite decent numbers, he always made his teams worse. The casual Celtics fans thought they had a superstar in the making but the involved fans saw his weaknesses through the highlights. I'm a little worried that's what's going on here with Chriss. The advantage of Chriss though is that he has a legitimate reason to be this clueless and there's real hope that he will become the superstar many thought Gerald would have been. Or the healthy Amare could have been.

When Nash was picked, Danny Ainge called him the "safe pick" to the dismay of many disgruntled Phoenix Suns fans who wanted John Wallace badly.

 

[AzStevenCal]

When Nash was picked, Danny Ainge called him the "safe pick" to the dismay of many disgruntled Phoenix Suns fans who wanted John Wallace badly.

I didn't realize that.

 

[devilalum]

I didn't realize that.

I was there. Everybody wanted Kobe but when he went to Charlotte at 13 then the buzz was Wallace. There were a good number of boos when the Suns took Nash.

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