Will the Suns draft Marquese Chriss at #4

[leclerc]

He's still very limited athletically and his shooting ability is questionable at best.

We just like to assume that he's a good shooter because he's a Euro player and most of them are known for their shooting but this kid, not so much.

He can't create off dribble for himself or others to save his life and sucks right now shooting off dribble especially. He's young so he could improve though.

Have you watched this video?

http://www.si.com/nba/video/2016/06/15/who-is-dragan-bender-si-films

 

[slinslin]

No it probably isn't the question about Chriss. He has probably the second highest up-side in this draft and even if he doesn't have a chiseled physique, he is still almost unstoppable at times.

The real question should be: how often does a player with a low BBIQ and an inconsistent motor ever reach his potential? I don't know the answer to that but I'd say he better wow you in the interview and background check area, otherwise he's likely to get a few people fired.

BBIQ is such a vague term.

How do you know Marquese Chriss has a low "bbiq"?

Did Shaw have a loq bbiq? Did Iverson? Did Kobe? Did Barkley?

 

[devilalum]

No it probably isn't the question about Chriss. He has probably the second highest up-side in this draft and even if he doesn't have a chiseled physique, he is still almost unstoppable at times.

The real question should be: how often does a player with a low BBIQ and an inconsistent motor ever reach his potential? I don't know the answer to that but I'd say he better wow you in the interview and background check area, otherwise he's likely to get a few people fired.

They're all getting fired eventually anyway.

 

[leclerc]

Indications that a player might have low basketball IQ:
- very new to the game
- looks lost on defence
- "disappears" for long stretches

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/1155462-15-nba-players-with-the-highest-basketball-iq

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080727090358AAYyhE3

 

[Krangodnzr]

Have you watched this video?

http://www.si.com/nba/video/2016/06/15/who-is-dragan-bender-si-films

Definitely an impressive kid, but I worry about why he wasn't getting minutes with his Euro team. If he is so good, you would think the cream would rise.

Chriss has his warts, yes, but I think the Suns need more finishers. Bledsoe, Knight, and Booker can handle the rock. Too many ball handlers already, bring in someone who can move around and finish.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Definitely an impressive kid, but I worry about why he wasn't getting minutes with his Euro team. If he is so good, you would think the cream would rise.

Chriss has his warts, yes, but I think the Suns need more finishers. Bledsoe, Knight, and Booker can handle the rock. Too many ball handlers already, bring in someone who can move around and finish.

There are some politics involved (foreign player and they have the typical rules on that) plus the kid was just that, a kid. At that age, you typically get your playing time as a part of development, it's rare that you're actually on the court because you're an asset. And when the club knows that you're leaving at the end of the season, where's the incentive to waste even a moment of game time for that player's development?

And from what I've read, Chriss has some issues as a "finisher" too.

 

[slinslin]

Maccabi had the worst season in their teams history and Bender still barely could find playing time. The above clip is basically a feel good story on Bender, it only shows the good sides not the bad ones. It is no different than watching a Marquese Chriss highlight reel.

 

[slinslin]

Indications that a player might have low basketball IQ:
- very new to the game
- looks lost on defence
- "disappears" for long stretches

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/1155462-15-nba-players-with-the-highest-basketball-iq

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080727090358AAYyhE3

For a lot of people it seems more like being black and athletic is a sign of poor bbiq and being white and a shooter is a sign of good bbiq.
Or simply euro prospect = high bbiq; ncaa prospect = low bbiq.

Sad but true.

I would never say that Goran Dragic has a high BBIQ but he has a reputation especially among Suns fans that he has a high BBIQ.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Maccabi had the worst season in their teams history and Bender still barely could find playing time. The above clip is basically a feel good story on Bender, it only shows the good sides not the bad ones. It is no different than watching a Marquese Chriss highlight reel.

Quite true. But I've watched enough UW games to have real concerns about Chriss in addition to an appreciation of the things he can do. The highlight reels don't sway me though because I've seen him stand around and look lost frequently throughout those games.

But with Bender, I have no real idea what he is. He could easily be a far worse pick than Chriss, I just don't know. I do know just from highlights that he's a smarter player than Marquese and that should be obvious to just about anyone. But can he play in the NBA? No clue. Marquese clearly has some NBA level ability, we just don't know with Dragan. But head and heart? That's where Chriss scares me.

 

[JCSunsfan]

For a lot of people it seems more like being black and athletic is a sign of poor bbiq and being white and a shooter is a sign of good bbiq.
Or simply euro prospect = high bbiq; ncaa prospect = low bbiq.

Sad but true.

I would never say that Goran Dragic has a high BBIQ but he has a reputation especially among Suns fans that he has a high BBIQ.

Quite true. But I've watched enough UW games to have real concerns about Chriss in addition to an appreciation of the things he can do. The highlight reels don't sway me though because I've seen him stand around and look lost frequently throughout those games.

But with Bender, I have no real idea what he is. He could easily be a far worse pick than Chriss, I just don't know. I do know just from highlights that he's a smarter player than Marquese and that should be obvious to just about anyone. But can he play in the NBA? No clue. Marquese clearly has some NBA level ability, we just don't know with Dragan. But head and heart? That's where Chriss scares me.

Its what I KNOW about Chriss that scares me. Bender did not get alot of minutes with Maccabi because he was 17 at the beginning of the season and the team was playing horribly. They (Euro teams) don't tank when they are bad because there is no advantage in doing so. They circle the wagons and depend on the veterans. Developing a kid goes out the window completely.

What I do know about Bender is that his motor is high, he moves really well, he clearly has skills, and he has a 9-3 standing reach. And none of this has anything to do with being black or white. There are plenty of white players with low bbiq and plenty of black players with high bbiq.

 

[devilalum]

http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2...ns-have-offered-4-13-for-utahs-gordon-hayward

I'm sorry but its hard to imagine Utah trading one of the best white players on the planet. Their fan base might burn down the arena. How can you let go of your only good player that doesn't bear the mark of Cain?

 

[slinslin]

And worse why would we do it?

Haywards statline is similiar to Knight. He is not very efficient at 43/35 shooting.

Tj Warren can easily be better than Hayward who has 1 year left and will demand like 30mil next year.

 

[JCSunsfan]

And worse why would we do it?

Haywards statline is similiar to Knight. He is not very efficient at 43/35 shooting.

Tj Warren can easily be better than Hayward who has 1 year left and will demand like 30mil next year.

Wolf was saying on the radio this morning that he would trade all four of the Suns picks this year for Hayward. There is a reason he is a football guy.

 

[SirStefan32]

I'm with Slin and JC. No to Hayward, unless Utah would take Knight or something like that.

 

[slinslin]

https://twitter.com/SunsNation_NBA/status/745656292455419904

Marquese Chriss says he wants to go to Phoenix

"Washington's Marquese Chriss says Phoenix hasn't promised him but he hopes he goes to Suns (only visit he took).Bos, Minn, NO watched him in LA:" per ESPN

 

[JCSunsfan]

Chriss' jumping is deceptive. It does not look like he even tries. That two handed volleyball block (and maintained possession) is one of the best I have ever seen.

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[Cheesebeef]

Chriss' jumping is deceptive. It does not look like he even tries. That two handed volleyball block (and maintained possession) is one of the best I have ever seen.

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he looks like he's playing on an 8 foot rim.

 

[Mainstreet]

Chriss is already 6'10 233lbs.

So he is pretty much developed already. He just needs to work out and get stronger. How Chriss develops physically is not of the questionmarks about him in my opinion.

Chriss is not ready to compete on the defensive boards.

If he is mostly developed physically he is going to have to put on or develop more muscle. In college he was foul prone so he will have to work on technique if he can't bang inside. This is my biggest concern about him. I think there is more room for Bender to develop physically.