"with the #6 pick the AZ CARDS select

[spanky]

DeWayne Robertson ,reuniting him with Dennis Johnson, giving the Cardinals a legitimate pass rush tandem not seen for in years.While the Cardinals looked long and hard at Turrell Suggs, they elected to go this route acknowledging that during the off season, Johnson has started to develope the bulk and gut feel necessary for him to realize his potential. McGinnis also said that they will draft Antoine Peeks in the fourth round for depth"......now hows that for an opinion!

In the second round, with the #37th pick, the Cardinals select, Kelly Washington WR. These two picks, along with off season moves, the Cardinals have addresed their key needs going forward and will legitimaly compete for a playoff bound post season without having bankrupted their future. With a nice blend of sage veterans and youthful talent, the future finally is starting to take shape. What with a new stadium finally getting off the ground, it appears that the team will soon shake the impression of being totally inept. People are actually seeing that Mike Bidwill is now not just a reincarnation of the old man, but has listened to the calls of the community and the advice of his coaching staff. Now how's that for an opinion.

Even though I've recently moved from AZ to NC, I'm not throwing in the towel yet. I'm actually optomistic.

 

[BACH]

Nahh, if Suggs is there they'll take him. Right now they have two potential quality starters in Johnson and Bell at DE and DT. The difference??? The DT class is so deep this year that the Cards can pick up a very very good DT in the 3rd. They probably can't pick up an everydown end after the first 25 picks...

 

[Krangodnzr]

Where do you live in Carolina?

I was born in Statesville, and moved to Wake Forest when I was 3. I lived there until I was six, then moved to New York.

I moved back to South Carolina when I was eight, then moved to Arizona when I was 11.

 

[AZCB34]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
Where do you live in Carolina?

I was born in Statesville, and moved to Wake Forest when I was 3. I lived there until I was six, then moved to New York.

I moved back to South Carolina when I was eight, then moved to Arizona when I was 11.

So who are the Cards picking?

I think they are going to pick Robertson or Kennedy at #6. The Rogers thing really throws a wrench into the draft. All you Suggs guys may be pissed at Rogers since some teams wouldn't take a chance on a ROOKIE one more piss test away from suspension. I think this event hurts his stock greatly. Thus, even though I felt like some team would likely draft Suggs before the Cards, I think the Rogers thing cements it.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by AZCB34
So who are the Cards picking?

I think they are going to pick Robertson or Kennedy at #6. The Rogers thing really throws a wrench into the draft. All you Suggs guys may be pissed at Rogers since some teams wouldn't take a chance on a ROOKIE one more piss test away from suspension. I think this event hurts his stock greatly. Thus, even though I felt like some team would likely draft Suggs before the Cards, I think the Rogers thing cements it.

I'm truly torn.

To be honest, the one player that I have the least amount of doubt, is Leftwich. I almost believe that he will be a very good NFL Qb, and quickly.

Suggs COULD be a great NFL pass rusher, but his workout does raise a few red flags.

Newman...that shoulder injury scares the crap out of me, and he is officially off my radar.

Rogers would be a nice pick, though I don't value receivers like some Madden/NFL Blitz players do. Runningbacks, imo, win 10 times as many NFL games.

Robertson is a nice prospect, but he never was considered an All world college player. At the sixth pick in the draft, All world players are what you are looking for, and Robertson could either be a steal or a reach.

I've narrowed it down to these four picks:

1 a. Leftwich
1 b. Suggs
1 c. Robertson
2. Trufant

 

[Mr. Boldin]

Krang I woudl have to agree with you on this one. Except I have it...

1a - Leftwich
1b - Suggs
1c - Trufant
2- Robertson

 

[Stout]

Guys, I can guarantee we won't go DT with the #6 pick. No, I'm not psychic and no, I don't care to put money on it (I'm broke-I don't make bets I can't pay if I lose), but I'm 100 percent confident in my opinion. DT is a very important position on a defense and on a team, but we won't pay that much of our salary cap (#12 in Bryant and a #6 in Robertson/Kennedy) on one position on the defense. It just won't happen. We could pick a DT up later, but the club feels good about Tanner and Bell, if not Russell Davis. It's like Buffalo with Price and Moulds. They just couldn't afford it. Neither can we. Trust me, it won't happen.

 

[AZCB34]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
I'm truly torn.

To be honest, the one player that I have the least amount of doubt, is Leftwich. I almost believe that he will be a very good NFL Qb, and quickly.

Suggs COULD be a great NFL pass rusher, but his workout does raise a few red flags.

Newman...that shoulder injury scares the crap out of me, and he is officially off my radar.

Rogers would be a nice pick, though I don't value receivers like some Madden/NFL Blitz players do. Runningbacks, imo, win 10 times as many NFL games.

Robertson is a nice prospect, but he never was considered an All world college player. At the sixth pick in the draft, All world players are what you are looking for, and Robertson could either be a steal or a reach.

I've narrowed it down to these four picks:

1 a. Leftwich
1 b. Suggs
1 c. Robertson
2. Trufant

You know my position on Suggs...there are fewer red flags at a bullfight. The thread about biggest bust being Boller...well I think Suggs is primed for that. He will never measure up to expectations placed on him. In fact, I am not even sure he will end up an average DE in the NFL.

Funny, the Newman shoulder thing has really taken on a life of it's own and the more I am reading about it the more nervous I am getting, especially since I really wanted him picked at #6. The injury is the sole reason why I believe it will be a DT...Robertson or Kennedy.

Trufant is very nice and I wouldn't mind having him but it seems to be a "reach" at #6 for him. "reach" is a word that is in the eye of the beholder so a player I or you may think is a reach may not be to someone else. I was crazy about Woolfolk for a long time until watching him in the Cotton Bowl.

 

[AZ1766]

I think the biggest influence on the first pick will be who "should "
be available in the second round. Simple assumption unless you try to figure out, who "should" be there.......I can't!
I don't know the needs or wants of the other 31 teams.

They will have to believe in some of the guys they have and think that an above average DE will be there in the second to draft Leftwich. Otherwise they take the best DL, end or tackle, with the sixth pick...

Any guesses on who they will be counting on to be there in the second round?

 

[AZCB34]

Originally posted by Stout
Guys, I can guarantee we won't go DT with the #6 pick. No, I'm not psychic and no, I don't care to put money on it (I'm broke-I don't make bets I can't pay if I lose), but I'm 100 percent confident in my opinion. DT is a very important position on a defense and on a team, but we won't pay that much of our salary cap (#12 in Bryant and a #6 in Robertson/Kennedy) on one position on the defense. It just won't happen. We could pick a DT up later, but the club feels good about Tanner and Bell, if not Russell Davis. It's like Buffalo with Price and Moulds. They just couldn't afford it. Neither can we. Trust me, it won't happen.

Here is why I disagree. There is no other position on the field where the Cards are laying out that kind of coin EXCEPT OL. Our Qb is cheap...as are the RBs. Adding up the WR salaries doesn't even scratch the surface of some salaries out there. It isn't as big of a deal for them to do it at DT as it would be for some other teams. The only drawback would be a couple years down the road if the DL salaries caused them to skimp in other areas. And like most teams, you have to take that chance sometimes and hope all the chips fall right.

 

[D Pasch]

Originally posted by spanky
DeWayne Robertson ,reuniting him with Dennis Johnson, giving the Cardinals a legitimate pass rush tandem not seen for in years.While the Cardinals looked long and hard at Turrell Suggs, they elected to go this route acknowledging that during the off season, Johnson has started to develope the bulk and gut feel necessary for him to realize his potential. McGinnis also said that they will draft Antoine Peeks in the fourth round for depth"......now hows that for an opinion!

In the second round, with the #37th pick, the Cardinals select, Kelly Washington WR.


Robertson will be gone. I'm hearing he won't make it past #4 (Chicago). Kelly Washington will also be gone when the Cardinals pick in the second round, but he's an amazing athlete, and could be a great replacement for David Boston. Washington's attitude is the only things that scares me, but again, I think he'll be gone by the end of the first round.

 

[AZ1766]

Re: Re: "with the #6 pick the AZ CARDS select

Originally posted by D Pasch
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Robertson will be gone. I'm hearing he won't make it past #4 (Chicago). Kelly Washington will also be gone when the Cardinals pick in the second round, but he's an amazing athlete, and could be a great replacement for David Boston. Washington's attitude is the only things that scares me, but again, I think he'll be gone by the end of the first round. [/B]

Any guesses on who/what they are looking for in the second round?

 

[D Pasch]

Re: Re: Re: "with the #6 pick the AZ CARDS select

Originally posted by AZ1766
Any guesses on who/what they are looking for in the second round?

It all depends on who they get in the first round. This will be a defense heavy draft for the Cardinals, but they would like to pick a wide receiver and center also. The top defensive tackles will all probably be gone in the first round, but if one of those guys falls to #37, the Cardinals will probably nab him. If they can get Suggs at #6, and a DT at #37, that is probably ideal. However, there are some good corners in this draft, and I know the Cardinals feel like they need more depth there. It will also be interesting if the top two centers--Al Johnson of Wisconsin, and Jeff Faine of Notre Dame--are still on the board, and/or WR's Taylor Jacobs or Tyrone Calico remain. Again, it all depends on what the Cardinals do in the first round.

 

[Stout]

If we stick at #6, I'd want Leftwich first, Rogers second, Suggs third and Trufant fourth. I feel one of those guys will be there. I'm betting we either snag Suggs or trade down (complete and utter speculation there). So this is how I see it falling out:

If we get Suggs, we take:

Suggs and WR (Hopefully Bryant Johnson) or C (Hopefully Faine)

If we trade down, we take:

DE (Possibly McDougal), C (Faine) and WR (Johnson), or WR
(Washington) then C.

 

[Indiana Hoosier]

I tend to agree with "Stout", I don't think they will pay all that money for a defensive lineman in the 1st round. I think the 1st pick will either be a QB or a WR. They can still get a good DE or a DT in the 2nd round and also address the defense in the 2nd round of Free Agency. "Lets all hope they have a great draft".

 

[maddogkf]

Originally posted by spanky

Even though I've recently moved from AZ to NC, I'm not throwing in the towel yet. I'm actually optomistic.

What part of NC are you at?

 

[spanky]

I'm in Charlotte

 

[Tangodnzr]

The reason I have never jumped on the Suggs bandwagon is that first of all I don't think he is the lock to be the impact player a lot of people are making him out to be. Might he turn out to be a good pass rusher? I'm not going to say "certainly", only "possibly". Only time will tell.
But at this point he seems most likely like a situational player. To me picking a situational pass rusher at #6 is a waste of resources. Especially when the Cards need to be able to not only pressure the QB but Stop the run too. A lot of people seem to forget that.
That's why I like Kennedy. I think him and Bryant, with Bell, Tanner, and Davis in the mix, would be a decent interior DL. Plus if they are effective then whomever is playing DE should be that much more effective. I compare it to CB's...if the QB has time to throw, its difficult for any CB to look good, but a decent pass rush, and suddenly the CB's start looking better. I say its the same with DE's and Interior tackles.

As for Leftwich, I will go out on a limb and say I think Boller will now be drafted before he is. Most likely by the Ravens. Although Leftwich could go there too. Boller just seems to be becoming more enticing to some of the teams that are looking to draft a QB.
I thought for a while the Jags might draft him (or Boller), but now I'm more inclined to think they may go with Trufant. (providing Newman is gone...all this stuff about him really does make things a little more murky.)

My first guess, at the moment, for 2nd round might be Bryant Johnson. That might change though in the next few days, however.
I too doubt Washington will be there....but its not impossible.

I also think that the signing of Garcia lowers the priority of drafting a Center a little.

 

[JeffGollin]

Suggs.

I get the feeling we are all "thinking too much" and starting to get convoluted. If Suggs is still there, I think the Cards will set a speed record for running up to the podium and handing in his card.

With regard to Rogers and Newman, beware of all the high-end posturing and flat-out lying that coaches and GM's are famous for. Millen is saying he still plans to draft Rogers, and only one of the top ten teams has reportedly dropped Newman from near the top of their boards.