With the 8th pick in the NFL Draft......

[DVontel]

I can agree with this statement. I have a nagging fear we pick the wrong OT, which is the only thing that holds me back. And you like Niang, right? I could get on board with one of those guys and then picking Niang.

Love Niang.

I would be meh if we picked Prince Taga.


I’d lose my damn mind if we drafted Austin Jackson.

 

[TaylorSwift]

If lamb or jeudy aren't the pick, kiem isn't concerned about winning.

If you do not have a wr who can game brean in this offense it will go nowhere

 

[GuernseyCard]

https://www.theringer.com/2020/3/3/21162433/nfl-combine-risers-sliders

 

[SoonerLou]

I can agree with this statement. I have a nagging fear we pick the wrong OT, which is the only thing that holds me back. And you like Niang, right? I could get on board with one of those guys and then picking Niang.

Honestly my only fear with Keim picking the OT.

I dont know who is the right/best OT. Its a tough year and I keep flipping back and forth on which one I want.

In terms of scheme/fit it seems Jeudy/Lamb are safe picks. Will they be great? Idk. I do think they'll at least be good.

It wouldnt surprise me if he went one of those guys simply because he cant make a decision on the OT.

Thomas could be just average at best.
Becton could be a bust
Wirfs could be a Guard forced to play RT and struggles as a result (sound familiar?)
Wills seems pretty solid. However, does he feel that he needs to make a splash in the draft?

I actually like all those guys as well, but not sure which one will turn out good for sure. I still want OT there's just no Ogden or Pace we're picking here.

I hope Keim does an outstanding job figuring out the Oline prospects and picks the right one. I do think he might just settle for guys he knows day 1 can step in and play well (Lamb/Jeudy)

 

[SoonerLou]

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[GatorAZ]

If lamb or jeudy aren't the pick, kiem isn't concerned about winning.

If you do not have a wr who can game brean in this offense it will go nowhere

Offense will also go nowhere if the QB’s in a body cast. Are we going to rely on journeyman guards and an un-drafted tackle again because of one position coach? The left side of the line also stayed remarkably healthy so I’m worried about the unit as a whole not just RT.

The WR crop is much stronger on day two than OL.

 

[DVontel]

I just don’t want a RB on Day 2(maybe unless Akers is there in round 3)

 

[GatorAZ]

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[football karma]

interesting stuff on the Move the Sticks podcast

Brooks and Lance Zierlein were discussing the top offensive linemen.

their ranking:

Jed Wills. best combo of technique + natural ability
Wirfs next best combo natural ability + needs some tech tweaks
Becton massive upside due to ability but needs technique
Thomas only "good" ability + good technique and tenacity

then big gap to the next OT group

Also discussion of what schemes suit each

Wills, Becton and Thomas good for power schemes
Wirfs best for zone blocking schemes

Wills, Thomas play with nasty disposition
Becton overpowers people
Wirfs more of an athletic move guy / great in space

 

[Finito]

If lamb or jeudy aren't the pick, kiem isn't concerned about winning.

If you do not have a wr who can game brean in this offense it will go nowhere

do me a favor. Look up how many rings Fitz, Julio, TO, Moss, AJ Green, Megatron, Bryant, Brown have.

I’ll wait. Star WR do not lead to wins in the NFL, build the trenches.

 

[TaylorSwift]

Offense will also go nowhere if the QB’s in a body cast. Are we going to rely on journeyman guards and an un-drafted tackle again because of one position coach? The left side of the line also stayed remarkably healthy so I’m worried about the unit as a whole not just RT.

The WR crop is much stronger on day two than OL.

All these college OL are garbage. You have to coach them up.

OL coachers are premium these days, elite offensive line prospects are not.

 

[TaylorSwift]

do me a favor. Look up how many rings Fitz, Julio, TO, Moss, AJ Green, Megatron, Bryant, Brown have.

I’ll wait. Star WR do not lead to wins in the NFL, build the trenches.

I agree, I am just not convinced any of this OL prospects.

Cardinals are probably thinking

1. OL
2. WR
3. DL

but none of these guys would be working taking over an elite talent like Ceedee.

If Kiem does this right, draft OL later, pick right in FA. The Cardinals could capitalize on having a young talented offense who can make plays in open space anywhere.

 

[SoonerLou]

do me a favor. Look up how many rings Fitz, Julio, TO, Moss, AJ Green, Megatron, Bryant, Brown have.

I’ll wait. Star WR do not lead to wins in the NFL, build the trenches.

Here's another interesting bit.

Who was the last WR drafted first that was the best of his class?

2019 - Early, but could make the case McLaurin/AJ Brown, etc could be better than Hollywood Brown (I'm still a believer in Brown. Think he'd fit better with a QB like Kyler in terms of downfield passing.)
2018 - DJ Moore has been really good, but Ridley has been just as good if not better. Sutton taken in the 2nd round just made the Pro Bowl
2017 - Corey Davis drafted first. Juju Smith Schuster drafted in the 2nd has been much better.
2016- Corey Coleman is out of the league. Michael Thomas in the 2nd round is off to one of the greatest starts ever for a wr.
2015 - Amari Cooper has been the best.
2014 - Sammy Watkins was drafted over Mike Evans and Odell.
2013 - Tavon Austin went 1st, but DeAndre Hopkins is having a HOF career.
2012 - Justin Blackmon had his issues. Alshon Jeffrey ended up the better WR
2010/2011 - D. Thomas and AJ Green both proved to be great even if Dez/Julio had slightly better careers. No shame there.

So chances are whatever WR gets drafted 1st...likely won't be the best from his class. Crazy how that works.

Here's hoping Jeudy/Lamb prove to be AJ Green/Julio level no fail choice.

 

[GatorAZ]

Here's another interesting bit.

Who was the last WR drafted first that was the best of his class?

2019 - Early, but could make the case McLaurin/AJ Brown, etc could be better than Hollywood Brown (I'm still a believer in Brown. Think he'd fit better with a QB like Kyler in terms of downfield passing.)
2018 - DJ Moore has been really good, but Ridley has been just as good if not better. Sutton taken in the 2nd round just made the Pro Bowl
2017 - Corey Davis drafted first. Juju Smith Schuster drafted in the 2nd has been much better.
2016- Corey Coleman is out of the league. Michael Thomas in the 2nd round is off to one of the greatest starts ever for a wr.
2015 - Amari Cooper has been the best.
2014 - Sammy Watkins was drafted over Mike Evans and Odell.
2013 - Tavon Austin went 1st, but DeAndre Hopkins is having a HOF career.
2012 - Justin Blackmon had his issues. Alshon Jeffrey ended up the better WR
2010/2011 - D. Thomas and AJ Green both proved to be great even if Dez/Julio had slightly better careers. No shame there.

So chances are whatever WR gets drafted 1st...likely won't be the best from his class. Crazy how that works.

Here's hoping Jeudy/Lamb prove to be AJ Green/Julio level no fail choice.

I LOVED Corey Davis. I remember thinking he was such a natural at every aspect of playing WR but it turned out being a big reach.

 

[Buckybird]

I LOVED Corey Davis. I remember thinking he was such a natural at every aspect of playing WR but it turned out being a big reach.

So much of that has to do scheme & the kind of offense a HC wants to be his philosophy. What team drafts you does matter!

 

[Veer]

I agree, I am just not convinced any of this OL prospects.

Cardinals are probably thinking

1. OL
2. WR
3. DL

but none of these guys would be working taking over an elite talent like Ceedee.

If Kiem does this right, draft OL later, pick right in FA. The Cardinals could capitalize on having a young talented offense who can make plays in open space anywhere.

I love Lamb as well. But this OT class is one of the most stacked in a while. And with stacked I mean legit blue chip talent. You have 4 legit top 10 players. Then guys like Austin Jackson and Josh Jones who will go in the 1st as well and would've been in conversation to be drafted as the 1st OT off the board in years past as they are better than Bolles or Dillard.

My theory has been for quite some years that stacked WR classes will become the norm rather than exception. Look at how the college game is played these days. Next year's WR class will be stacked as well. The value is usually found in rounds 2-4. Last year the Isabella pick was questionable, but look at the WRs drafted in round 2. Deebo, AJ Brown, Metcalf. Butler in the 4th was a steal. On natural ability alone he should've been a 2nd round pick.

Bottom line, as much as I love Lamb, OL has to be our priority in the 1st round for some reasons. We have the shot at a blue chip OT and WRs can be found in the mid rounds as well as in the upcoming years.

 

[Dr. Jones]

https://syndication.bleacherreport....att-millers-post-combine-predictions.amp.html

1. Mekhi Becton
2. Ross Blacklock
3. JK Dobbins

I'd be excited about this draft.

 

[imaCafan]

Used draft simulator at fanspeak with this result:

8: R1P8 LB ISAIAH SIMMONS CLEMSON

40: R2P8 WR JALEN REAGOR TCU

72: R3P8 C TYLER BIADASZ WISCONSIN

111: R4P8 G SHANE LEMIEUX OREGON

 

[Finito]

Used draft simulator at fanspeak with this result:

8: R1P8 LB ISAIAH SIMMONS CLEMSON

40: R2P8 WR JALEN REAGOR TCU

72: R3P8 C TYLER BIADASZ WISCONSIN

111: R4P8 G SHANE LEMIEUX OREGON

that would be insane

 

[Krangodnzr]

Used draft simulator at fanspeak with this result:

8: R1P8 LB ISAIAH SIMMONS CLEMSON

40: R2P8 WR JALEN REAGOR TCU

72: R3P8 C TYLER BIADASZ WISCONSIN

111: R4P8 G SHANE LEMIEUX OREGON

I don't think there is actual room for two rookie linemen.

 

[football karma]

the Athletic's Dane Brugler has a new 3 round mock

in it, Simmons goes #3 to Detroit, Becton #4 to NYG

at #8, Cards have choice of the 3 remaining OTs, both WRs and Derrick Brown.

They go:

#8 Wirfs
#40 Deandre Swift, RB Georgia
#72 Jonathan Greenard, Edge, Florida

at #72 -- two ILBs I like are on the board that I would prefer:


Akeem Davis-Gaither, LB, Appalachian State

Jordyn Brooks, LB, Texas Tech

 

[DVontel]

the Athletic's Dane Brugler has a new 3 round mock

in it, Simmons goes #3 to Detroit, Becton #4 to NYG

at #8, Cards have choice of the 3 remaining OTs, both WRs and Derrick Brown.

They go:

#8 Wirfs
#40 Deandre Swift, RB Georgia
#72 Jonathan Greenard, Edge, Florida

at #72 -- two ILBs I like are on the board that I would prefer:


Akeem Davis-Gaither, LB, Appalachian State

Jordyn Brooks, LB, Texas Tech

A RB that high? Nah.

 

[Russ Smith]

Used draft simulator at fanspeak with this result:

8: R1P8 LB ISAIAH SIMMONS CLEMSON

40: R2P8 WR JALEN REAGOR TCU

72: R3P8 C TYLER BIADASZ WISCONSIN

111: R4P8 G SHANE LEMIEUX OREGON

Seriously doubt Reagor is there at 40. I know his 40 time was slower than expected but in everything else he tested great. Unless there's just an overall slip at WR because of the depth at the position, I see no way he gets out of the first round. Would love to get him at 40 I love the guy.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Used draft simulator at fanspeak with this result:

8: R1P8 LB ISAIAH SIMMONS CLEMSON

40: R2P8 WR JALEN REAGOR TCU

72: R3P8 C TYLER BIADASZ WISCONSIN

111: R4P8 G SHANE LEMIEUX OREGON

Tyler Badass? Perfect name for a Center

 

[SoonerLou]

Hmm... Are we sure Brown isnt the slider?

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