With the 8th pick in the NFL Draft......

[Krangodnzr]

@Dr. Jones Gilmore wasnt regarded as a top 3 pick like Okudah was.

 

[jf-08]

I’m easily choosing Okudah over Simmons & Brown because:

1. CB impacts the game way more than a ILB & DT.

2. CB’s longevity typically outranks ILBs due to the grueling nature of playing ILB. I wouldn’t even trust Vance to use Simmons correctly.

3. CBs cannot get neutralized like DTs can. Even Aaron Donald has gotten neutralized here & there. Hell, against the Ravens, he was neutralized the whole game.




If this is Okudah vs Willis vs Wirfs, then that’s a good debate for me. I think RT is almost just as impactful as LT nowadays. Okudah ranks over Simmons & Brown every time for me though for reasons above & while just being an overall better player.

I agree with this, but I don't think he'll be available when we draft.

 

[AZCrazy]

It doesn't seem like any of the OT's will be taken before our pick. Likely the 3 QB's will be gone, plus Young, Okudah, and Simmons.
If you don't want OT at this point in the draft, your choice will probably be Derrick Brown vs Jerry Jeudy. Who makes the bigger impact?

 

[Chopper0080]

Lets pass on Okudah so we can be slightly less middling everywhere instead of a particular unit being a strength.

I would take Chase Thomas and Derrick Brown over Okudah...still unsure if I would take Wirfs over him. I think Okudah is a better player, but I also think Wirfs has a really high ceiling and helps ensure Kyler is successful long term more than Okudah.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I would take Chase Thomas and Derrick Brown over Okudah...still unsure if I would take Wirfs over him. I think Okudah is a better player, but I also think Wirfs has a really high ceiling and helps ensure Kyler is successful long term more than Okudah.

I'm thinking the Cardinals go either receiver or DL. I dont know why exactly, it's just the feeling I have.

Either Lamb or Jeudy, Brown or Kinlaw.

I like Lamb more than Jeudy. I think his tape is a little bit better. Jeudy is just so open all the time and while you can say the same thing about Lamb to an extent, he does show the ability to make contested catches.

Then again, with Humphries being under contract for 3 years, that would give an OL time to develop a bit and you could look at letting DJ walk. Plus it gives you some insurance for Humphries getting injured again.

Wirfs would be my top guy because he has played RT and can be a really good one, but Becton's ceiling is higher and I think he uses his elite traits MORE than Wirfs does. One of the concerns about Wirfs that you constantly read is that he doesnt quite play to his elite strength.

The only OL I expect to be gone is Wills. I think the Giants take him since Daniel Jones needs a tackle in the worst way. He had the most fumbles in like 17 years.

 

[DVontel]

I'm thinking the Cardinals go either receiver or DL. I dont know why exactly, it's just the feeling I have.

Either Lamb or Jeudy, Brown or Kinlaw.

I like Lamb more than Jeudy. I think his tape is a little bit better. Jeudy is just so open all the time and while you can say the same thing about Lamb to an extent, he does show the ability to make contested catches.

Then again, with Humphries being under contract for 3 years, that would give an OL time to develop a bit and you could look at letting DJ walk. Plus it gives you some insurance for Humphries getting injured again.

Wirfs would be my top guy because he has played RT and can be a really good one, but Becton's ceiling is higher and I think he uses his elite traits MORE than Wirfs does. One of the concerns about Wirfs that you constantly read is that he doesnt quite play to his elite strength.

The only OL I expect to be gone is Wills. I think the Giants take him since Daniel Jones needs a tackle in the worst way. He had the most fumbles in like 17 years.

But could you also attribute that due to lack of separation against CBs in press?

 

[Dr. Jones]

Thomas just doesnt ever dominate his guy. Weak punch. I hate to continue to do this, but there is a reason Thomas is falling to 4th OT on every mock draft for every pundit who has legit connections in the scouting community. Hes just not good enough to be an NFL LT right now. And I saw you think he should be moved to RT?!?! Weve seen that disaster on a number of occasions. That's an awful idea, it rarely works.

He played RT his freshman year. It wouldn't be a situation of "moving" him.
And he's falling because the further we get from the season the more prognosticators like to talk. Heck, the inverse is true.....It's why Becton is rising.

I agree with this, but I don't think he'll be available when we draft.

Me either.

It doesn't seem like any of the OT's will be taken before our pick. Likely the 3 QB's will be gone, plus Young, Okudah, and Simmons.
If you don't want OT at this point in the draft, your choice will probably be Derrick Brown vs Jerry Jeudy. Who makes the bigger impact?

Our best draft scenario is this:
The three QB's go before us.
Brown goes before us.
And someone takes an OT.

That leaves one of Okudah, Young, or Simmons for us.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Heck.... it's why Kyler was my #1 all last offseason. His tape was ridiculous. Then the prognosticators poked all the holes in the world in him...... then he went #1.

Tape, and production matter. Much more than the draft season does.

I get that you don't like Thomas's tape. We just disagree on what we see. Happens in a scouting room all the time.

 

[Frank The Fixer]

A lot of players on both sides of the ball are going to be available at pick #8. I’m no sweating the first round this year.

 

[SoonerLou]

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[Dr. Jones]

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Weeks 1 through 4: 20 sacks

Other 12 weeks: 26 Sacks

And that includes the horrible Rams home game in week 13 where they sacked Kyler 6 times.

In Short..... Like most everything else.......Kyler got a lot better at feeling pressure and reacting in a positive way after the first 4 weeks of the season.

Do we need to upgrade our O-Line? Yes. RT for sure.

Is it some sort of nagging problem? I'm not so sure.

 

[Chopper0080]

Heck.... it's why Kyler was my #1 all last offseason. His tape was ridiculous. Then the prognosticators poked all the holes in the world in him...... then he went #1.

Tape, and production matter. Much more than the draft season does.

I get that you don't like Thomas's tape. We just disagree on what we see. Happens in a scouting room all the time.

Kyler's issue wasn't his tape...it was because he was a complete outlier regarding size and experience.

Thomas's issues are tape. His feet look slow on tape and winning with slow feet is really tough at OT in the NFL.

 

[Krangodnzr]

But could you also attribute that due to lack of separation against CBs in press?

I've seen him separate. I've also seen Lamb highpoint and catch a ball in a crowd.

What prospects scare me the most? Dominant college players on dominant teams. Some of those guys excel because they are surrounded by amazing college talent. There have been a number of Alabama players that havent worked out for this very reason.

 

[Krangodnzr]

He played RT his freshman year. It wouldn't be a situation of "moving" him.
And he's falling because the further we get from the season the more prognosticators like to talk. Heck, the inverse is true.....It's why Becton is rising.

Me either.



Our best draft scenario is this:
The three QB's go before us.
Brown goes before us.
And someone takes an OT.

That leaves one of Okudah, Young, or Simmons for us.

No. This is precombine. This is when scouts ARENT on the road. All of the media darlings (Thomas) are now being vetted by scouts.

This isn't the prognosticators talking. This is what the NFL thinks getting released to the guys with a pulse on the scouting community. You saw Jeremiah and Miller drop him first, and then the guys with less contacts have now started to as well.

I start looking at guys around this time too. This is around the time that I started to watch Murray and formulate my own opinion.

With Thomas' hype, I went and looked and sure enough, hes not a great LT prospect. He'd be good as a Guard in a power scheme. Of the top OL, both Thomas and Wirfs would be great guards. Thomas's ability to get off his initial block and get out to the second level is very good, but his ability to fan out and block on the edge is suspect.

 

[DVontel]

I've seen him separate. I've also seen Lamb highpoint and catch a ball in a crowd.

What prospects scare me the most? Dominant college players on dominant teams. Some of those guys excel because they are surrounded by amazing college talent. There have been a number of Alabama players that havent worked out for this very reason.

You can say the exact same for CeeDee & OU. Like literally the exact same.

It’s real concerning usually went up against zone every week with a lack of talent at CB in the B12 outside of Gladney.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Weeks 1 through 4: 20 sacks

Other 12 weeks: 26 Sacks

And that includes the horrible Rams home game in week 13 where they sacked Kyler 6 times.

In Short..... Like most everything else.......Kyler got a lot better at feeling pressure and reacting in a positive way after the first 4 weeks of the season.

Do we need to upgrade our O-Line? Yes. RT for sure.

Is it some sort of nagging problem? I'm not so sure.

At this point, not it's not but yes RT might be an upgrade option or possibly with growth Murray the tackle might be a steal if given a chance

 

[Krangodnzr]

You can say the exact same for CeeDee & OU. Like literally the exact same.

It’s real concerning usually went up against zone every week with a lack of talent at CB in the B12 outside of Gladney.

I understand that, but it's not Alabama good. Bama threw out 2 other elite college receivers and an elite running game regardless of who was on the field.

Lamb just looks like a natural pass catcher. I wasnt convinced last offseason, but he really took a step forward.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Kyler's issue wasn't his tape...it was because he was a complete outlier regarding size and experience.

Thomas's issues are tape. His feet look slow on tape and winning with slow feet is really tough at OT in the NFL.

I'm gonna wait to respond until after the combine. Because, as I've said, I see something different when I watch his tape.

 

[SoonerLou]

Weeks 1 through 4: 20 sacks

Other 12 weeks: 26 Sacks

And that includes the horrible Rams home game in week 13 where they sacked Kyler 6 times.

In Short..... Like most everything else.......Kyler got a lot better at feeling pressure and reacting in a positive way after the first 4 weeks of the season.

Do we need to upgrade our O-Line? Yes. RT for sure.

Is it some sort of nagging problem? I'm not so sure.

Gotta factor in how many sacks Kyler avoided because of his athleticism as well. If we have a chance to sure up the line. Lets do so. If he were Russell Wilson already then I'd get going for another position. Right now we have to keep him mentally/physically going upward.

Browns thought Mayfield figured it out and the Oline was good enough.

 

[Chopper0080]

I'm gonna wait to respond until after the combine. Because, as I've said, I see something different when I watch his tape.

Me too, but I want to see if he looks more athletic than what I see. Funny how two sets of eyes see different things.

 

[Solar7]

Gotta factor in how many sacks Kyler avoided because of his athleticism as well. If we have a chance to sure up the line. Lets do so. If he were Russell Wilson already then I'd get going for another position. Right now we have to keep him mentally/physically going upward.

Browns thought Mayfield figured it out and the Oline was good enough.

Yep, I'm unsure how you can watch last year's OL and say "well, that's good enough. Nothing else needed." I question Kyler at every turn, and that kid bailed the OL out like a champ multiple times. He caused some of his own problems by holding on to the ball trying to make plays, but that's what people were championing that he'd be able to do - make up for a subpar OL, and make plays.

I'd love to see him get behind a line that doesn't make him skittish.

 

[Russ Smith]

I'm thinking the Cardinals go either receiver or DL. I dont know why exactly, it's just the feeling I have.

Either Lamb or Jeudy, Brown or Kinlaw.

I like Lamb more than Jeudy. I think his tape is a little bit better. Jeudy is just so open all the time and while you can say the same thing about Lamb to an extent, he does show the ability to make contested catches.

Then again, with Humphries being under contract for 3 years, that would give an OL time to develop a bit and you could look at letting DJ walk. Plus it gives you some insurance for Humphries getting injured again.

Wirfs would be my top guy because he has played RT and can be a really good one, but Becton's ceiling is higher and I think he uses his elite traits MORE than Wirfs does. One of the concerns about Wirfs that you constantly read is that he doesnt quite play to his elite strength.

The only OL I expect to be gone is Wills. I think the Giants take him since Daniel Jones needs a tackle in the worst way. He had the most fumbles in like 17 years.

I like both but it's Friday, I'm bored, and I don't get it. I understand doubting a QB because the Wr is always wide open, but why doubt a WR because he's always wide open? It's not like Jeudy plays against weak competition in the SEC and Lamb plays against elite NFL prospect defenses in the Big 12, it's actually more of the opposite.

I get teh idea Alabama's talent level can make guys look better than they are but I think that's OL, DL, even QB but not Wr. Jerry Jeudy isn't wide open because teams are scared of all the other guys, he's wide open because if you single cover him in college, he's going to get wide open. That's why he got doubled so much more this year and why the other guys got more single coverage. If you want to be skeptical about Alabama WR's it should be Ruggs and Smith, not Jeudy, they're the ones who were beating single coverage. We saw in the bowl game what happens when you single cover Jeudy, he torches you.

I think they're both going to be good and they both played with elite college QB's, and a bevy of future NFL Wr's while in college. They're both elite, Jeudy runs better routes which is why he's always open, Lamb seems to play the ball in the air better.

If we take either guy I'll be happy, I'd take Jeudy because I think he's just one of those guys who will be open constantly in the NFL, but Lamb has a great argument too and of course played with Kyler.

I'd take Okudah over both but he won't be there IMO.

 

[GuernseyCard]

Yep, I'm unsure how you can watch last year's OL and say "well, that's good enough. Nothing else needed." I question Kyler at every turn, and that kid bailed the OL out like a champ multiple times. He caused some of his own problems by holding on to the ball trying to make plays, but that's what people were championing that he'd be able to do - make up for a subpar OL, and make plays.

I'd love to see him get behind a line that doesn't make him skittish.

Rookies are inherently skittish.

Kyler spent half a season uncertain about staying put, moving up, sideways and caught between a quick or more deliberate release.

Those guys up front needed to get comfortable with the tendencies because, like us, they're not equipped with eyes on back of the head

Cole at centre and a competent RT added to a season of two-way experience and things should work out quite well.

 

[Solar7]

Rookies are inherently skittish.

Kyler spent half a season uncertain about staying put, moving up, sideways and caught between a quick or more deliberate release.

Those guys up front needed to get comfortable with the tendencies because, like us, they're not equipped with eyes on back of the head

Cole at centre and a competent RT added to a season of two-way experience and things should work out quite well.

I disagree. This is a line full of subpar talent. But no big deal.

 

[GuernseyCard]

I disagree. This is a line full of subpar talent. But no big deal.

And you fail to appreciate 'communication'.

No big deal.