Wk 9-Arizona Cardinals @ SF 49ers Pre Game Thread Oct 29-Nov 6, 2021.

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Kyler Murray, DeAndre Hopkins do not practice Wednesday for Cardinals

Check out the Cardinals' first injury report of the week.

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[Red on White]

Greg Dortch going to play this week?

 

[BritCard]

Big test for Kliff this week.

While everything has been great while he has all the pieces he needs, he has shown in previous seasons and to some extent last Thursday that he struggles to adjust when he doesn't have all his pieces. He won;t have Green, he might not have Nuk. Can he adjust his game plan to suit what he has and get it to work vs the Niners?

 

[SoonerLou]

Big test for Kliff this week.

While everything has been great while he has all the pieces he needs, he has shown in previous seasons and to some extent last Thursday that he struggles to adjust when he doesn't have all his pieces. He won;t have Green, he might not have Nuk. Can he adjust his game plan to suit what he has and get it to work vs the Niners?

49ers fans fear the Cardinals running it early and then hitting them with the play action pass. However, will Kliff know that? Or will he start off with a bunch of empty formatons.

Maybe it would be a good thing if McCoy plays or Kyler is limited. It forces Kliff to run the ball. There is no blowing out the 49ers. Its always a dogfight. So just try to win the LOS early and lets win an ugly game.

 

[BritCard]

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[CardsSunsDbacks]

It's the PFF paradox.

When a player gets a bad grade it's "PFF sucks, you can't trust their methods, it's flawed blah, blah, etc"

When a player gets an 80+ grade it's "Look PFF validates our guy".

That’s hardly just a PFF thing. People are far more likely to believe something or support something when it confirms their own opinion.

 

[BritCard]

49ers fans fear the Cardinals running it early and then hitting them with the play action pass. However, will Kliff know that? Or will he start off with a bunch of empty formatons.

Maybe it would be a good thing if McCoy plays or Kyler is limited. It forces Kliff to run the ball. There is no blowing out the 49ers. Its always a dogfight. So just try to win the LOS early and lets win an ugly game.

Kliff has never shown any inclination to lean on the run. I think he considers a 5 yard run a failure. I always feel like he expects every run to go for 15 and if it doesn't he's disappointed. I only think he runs at all to help his pass game.

 

[Shane]

Big test for Kliff this week.

While everything has been great while he has all the pieces he needs, he has shown in previous seasons and to some extent last Thursday that he struggles to adjust when he doesn't have all his pieces. He won;t have Green, he might not have Nuk. Can he adjust his game plan to suit what he has and get it to work vs the Niners?

Kliff has never shown any inclination to lean on the run. I think he considers a 5 yard run a failure. I always feel like he expects every run to go for 15 and if it doesn't he's disappointed. I only think he runs at all to help his pass game.

???

Our running game is pretty prevalent and very balanced?

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Kliff has never shown any inclination to lean on the run. I think he considers a 5 yard run a failure. I always feel like he expects every run to go for 15 and if it doesn't he's disappointed. I only think he runs at all to help his pass game.

You do know we are running on 49% of our plays this year right? That has to be near the highest run percentage in the league. This is also without Kyler running the ball a whole lot.

 

[JohnnyCakes]

Kliff has never shown any inclination to lean on the run. I think he considers a 5 yard run a failure. I always feel like he expects every run to go for 15 and if it doesn't he's disappointed. I only think he runs at all to help his pass game.

huh? The Cardinals run about as balanced an offense as there is in the NFL

 

[Ronin]

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[Ronin]

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[DVontel]

???

Our running game is pretty prevalent and very balanced?

Literally just closed out the last 49ers matchup doing that lol

And Rams

 

[Absolute Zero]

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That shot makes it look like they are practicing in someone's back yard with a bit of artificial turf in the back, lol

 

[BritCard]

???

Our running game is pretty prevalent and very balanced?

You do know we are running on 49% of our plays this year right? That has to be near the highest run percentage in the league. This is also without Kyler running the ball a whole lot.

huh? The Cardinals run about as balanced an offense as there is in the NFL

Yes I do know all of this. But that's not taking into account the situation. A high portion of them have come when the game is over or well under control and Kliff is running out the clock. He's never leaned on the run to establish those leads like say the Niners, Titans, Ravens, Seahawks etc have done.

For example, 31% of Chases runs and 35% of his yards have come in the 4th quarter. Conner has 35% of his runs and 36% of his yards in Q4.

Also the run pass split is not 49/51. It's 45/55 including Kylers runs (of which I don't know which were called and which were scrambled) but even if we say all Kyler's were designed it's still only 45% run and 55% pass.

Now factor in what I said about the majority of the rushing coming late in games when the game is over and what you get is this.

Q1 - 40% run / 60% pass (this is 8th highest pass rate in the league in Q1)
Q2 - 42% run / 58% pass
Q3 - 38% run / 62% pass (10th highest pass rate in Q3)
Q4 - 67% run / 33% pass (This is the highest run rate and lowest pass rate in Q4. Average is 58% pass)

So as you can see. Not at all balanced. We are a 60% pass team that has had a bunch of big leads in Q4 and seen the game out with run.

We're rather predictable with it too with 60% of all runs on 1st and 10. This is the 4th highest 1st and 10 run rate in the league only behind Bears, Browns and Titans. The league average is 49%.

 

[SoonerLou]

Yes I do know all of this. But that's not taking into account the situation. A high portion of them have come when the game is over or well under control and Kliff is running out the clock. He's never leaned on the run to establish those leads like say the Niners, Titans, Ravens, Seahawks etc have done.

For example, 31% of Chases runs and 35% of his yards have come in the 4th quarter. Conner has 35% of his runs and 36% of his yards in Q4.

Also the run pass split is not 49/51. It's 45/55 including Kylers runs (of which I don't know which were called and which were scrambled) but even if we say all Kyler's were designed it's still only 45% run and 55% pass.

Now factor in what I said about the majority of the rushing coming late in games when the game is over and what you get is this.

Q1 - 40% run / 60% pass (this is 8th highest pass rate in the league in Q1)
Q2 - 42% run / 58% pass
Q3 - 38% run / 62% pass (10th highest pass rate in Q3)
Q4 - 67% run / 33% pass (This is the highest run rate and lowest pass rate in Q4. Average is 58% pass)

So as you can see. Not at all balanced. We are a 60% pass team that has had a bunch of big leads in Q4 and seen the game out with run.

Were rather predictable with it too with 60% of all runs on 1st and 10. This is the 4th highest 1st and 10 run rate in the league only behind Bears, Browns and Titans. The league average is 49%.

Yep. Amazed so many people missed the point about establishing the run early.

Now to be fair we were rolling so well early that we didnt need to. However, 49ers and particualrly the Panthers we need to run the ball early.

 

[BritCard]

Yep. Amazed so many people missed the point about establishing the run early.

Now to be fair we were rolling so well early that we didnt need to. However, 49ers and particualrly the Panthers we need to run the ball early.

Sure. I have no problem with 60/40 at all because it has worked.

I was simply saying Kliff has not shown any ability (or inclination) in the past to control and win games on the back of the run game. I'm not even sure we have the run scheme to do it because I feel much of what we do in the run game only works because of the pass threat giving us lighter boxes. If we diminish that and try to rely on run I'm not sure we have the ability to do it.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

You do know we are running on 49% of our plays this year right? That has to be near the highest run percentage in the league. This is also without Kyler running the ball a whole lot.

And that's 49% with very few KM designed running plays.

 

[Ronin]

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[Jetstream Green]

Yes I do know all of this. But that's not taking into account the situation. A high portion of them have come when the game is over or well under control and Kliff is running out the clock. He's never leaned on the run to establish those leads like say the Niners, Titans, Ravens, Seahawks etc have done.

For example, 31% of Chases runs and 35% of his yards have come in the 4th quarter. Conner has 35% of his runs and 36% of his yards in Q4.

Also the run pass split is not 49/51. It's 45/55 including Kylers runs (of which I don't know which were called and which were scrambled) but even if we say all Kyler's were designed it's still only 45% run and 55% pass.

Now factor in what I said about the majority of the rushing coming late in games when the game is over and what you get is this.

Q1 - 40% run / 60% pass (this is 8th highest pass rate in the league in Q1)
Q2 - 42% run / 58% pass
Q3 - 38% run / 62% pass (10th highest pass rate in Q3)
Q4 - 67% run / 33% pass (This is the highest run rate and lowest pass rate in Q4. Average is 58% pass)

So as you can see. Not at all balanced. We are a 60% pass team that has had a bunch of big leads in Q4 and seen the game out with run.

We're rather predictable with it too with 60% of all runs on 1st and 10. This is the 4th highest 1st and 10 run rate in the league only behind Bears, Browns and Titans. The league average is 49%.

Stop this for the luv of the football gods, the Cardinals really do have a good rushing attack despite Kyler Murray running

 

[Chopper0080]

So we pass early in a passing league with good passing weapons and then run to close out games and limit the number of possessions opposing teams have in the 4th Q...and people are complaining about this? Being a good running team is about being able to run the ball in situations you need to run the ball. We are currently doing that. We are a good running team.

 

[BritCard]

So we pass early in a passing league with good passing weapons and then run to close out games and limit the number of possessions opposing teams have in the 4th Q...and people are complaining about this? Being a good running team is about being able to run the ball in situations you need to run the ball. We are currently doing that. We are a good running team.

No. I specifically said I'm not complaining about it. Literally right there above.

At the same time the way we play does not indicate we can "lean on the run" to win on Sunday. Which was the point I was replying to.

 

[BritCard]

And that's 49% with very few KM designed running plays.

Well it's 45% with all Kyler's runs. Designed or not.

 

[PACardsFan]

Point spread down to a single point. With Murray questionable, the money is being put on the Niners. Makes sense. I’ll be shocked if Kyler doesn’t play.

 

[BritCard]

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