Wonder if any team wants to do a trade up with the Cards

[Chopper0080]

Full off season plan including Drew Brees to be posted after the season...

 

[Phrazbit]

I love the idea of bringing in Brees but I dont see him leaving New Orleans. They would have to really low ball him because i think he would give them quite the home-discount. He has built up some real ties in the community, they have a contending team already in place, he and the coach get along and, most importantly, the Saints rolled the dice on Brees when he was coming of shoulder surgery that many thought would doom his career, I dont see him leaving them for a marginally larger contract.

 

[WildBB]

Martin will most likely be a RT in the NFL, but he'll be decent at that position. DeCastro has All-Pro Guard written all over him, he does everything good. He's very similar to Hutchinson in terms of his skill sets, he would be a steal if we could get him in the teens. Martin, at Tackle, is still a better option than both Keith and Brown.

Martin, DeCstro and Keuchly would all be viable picks for us. I like the measurables of the Marshall OLB to. That would be if we traded back into the 2nd though.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1695468/vinny-curry

 

[Chopper0080]

I love the idea of bringing in Brees but I dont see him leaving New Orleans. They would have to really low ball him because i think he would give them quite the home-discount. He has built up some real ties in the community, they have a contending team already in place, he and the coach get along and, most importantly, the Saints rolled the dice on Brees when he was coming of shoulder surgery that many thought would doom his career, I dont see him leaving them for a marginally larger contract.

Yeah, I don't think that they will either, but I can see them slapping the franchise tag on him, and from there he is fair game. If I'm Arizona, and New Orleans puts the franchise tag on Brees, I am offering him top QB pay for 5 years and to hell with the two 1st round picks. At least come over the top with a top offer to see what he says. AZ is not a bad spot for a top QB. Worse case, he says no. Best case, we are set at QB for 4 years.

 

[Phrazbit]

Yeah, I don't think that they will either, but I can see them slapping the franchise tag on him, and from there he is fair game. If I'm Arizona, and New Orleans puts the franchise tag on Brees, I am offering him top QB pay for 5 years and to hell with the two 1st round picks. At least come over the top with a top offer to see what he says. AZ is not a bad spot for a top QB. Worse case, he says no. Best case, we are set at QB for 4 years.

Id love it if it happened, and it would certainly be worth the risk, but I cant see New Orleans not locking him down.

Dont wanna get my hopes up for something that beautiful.

 

[Chopper0080]

Id love it if it happened, and it would certainly be worth the risk, but I cant see New Orleans not locking him down.

Dont wanna get my hopes up for something that beautiful.

Hope is all I have as a Cardinal fan.

 

[Gandhi]

Yeah, I don't think that they will either, but I can see them slapping the franchise tag on him, and from there he is fair game. If I'm Arizona, and New Orleans puts the franchise tag on Brees, I am offering him top QB pay for 5 years and to hell with the two 1st round picks. At least come over the top with a top offer to see what he says. AZ is not a bad spot for a top QB. Worse case, he says no. Best case, we are set at QB for 4 years.

Chopper, this may be a little soon to talk about this, but it’s not like there is much else going on.

I would like to hear your opinion on a trade-up to get Andrew Luck.
From your post’s it sounds like we pretty much agree that this team need a new quarterback once again, and to me there could be several positives related to this kind of trade-up.
First of all the team might have a great quarterback for the next decade. Second, it’s hard to find a rookie quarterback who seems more ready to contribute right away. Third, from a financial view it might be beneficial to Mr. Bidwill seing that he wouldn’t have to pay a first round pick in some years – if the trade-up prize is something to the extent of two or three first round-picks.

Now, is they beat Seattle they might draft too low to make such a trade, but if it is a possibility I would like for them to give it a shot. Obviously, if the Rams holds the pick it’s not an option, but if the Colts do, they should at least receive an offer from Mr. Graves.

 

[imaCafan]

Seems more likely the Cards would go after Manning before trying to trade enough picks to move up for Luck. Even more likely they aren't even considering either.......

 

[Chopper0080]

Chopper, this may be a little soon to talk about this, but it’s not like there is much else going on.

I would like to hear your opinion on a trade-up to get Andrew Luck.
From your post’s it sounds like we pretty much agree that this team need a new quarterback once again, and to me there could be several positives related to this kind of trade-up.
First of all the team might have a great quarterback for the next decade. Second, it’s hard to find a rookie quarterback who seems more ready to contribute right away. Third, from a financial view it might be beneficial to Mr. Bidwill seing that he wouldn’t have to pay a first round pick in some years – if the trade-up prize is something to the extent of two or three first round-picks.

Now, is they beat Seattle they might draft too low to make such a trade, but if it is a possibility I would like for them to give it a shot. Obviously, if the Rams holds the pick it’s not an option, but if the Colts do, they should at least receive an offer from Mr. Graves.

I think the going rate for the first pick in the draft would probably be 3 first round picks and if Drew Brees is franchised (could happen), compensation would consist of two first rounders. I think that both of these scenarios should be considered by Arizona to secure their future at the QB position. This isn't to say that Kolb might not still be successful, but his concussions do raise a red flag in my opinion.

Of these options, the one that I least prefer is Peyton Manning. Three neck surguries are a huge concern, and while his compesation might be the lowest of the three, his risk is more. You could essentially be buying a lemon.

Trading for the number 1 pick might be the most cost effective due to the limits on draft picks, but also comes with a ton of risk. Young QBs, no matter how talented, come with a learning curve and risks. While Luck maybe the best QB prospect since Peyton, he still is a prospect. Three 1st rounders is a lot to part with, but if there was ever a player to roll the dice on, Luck is the guy. I think that you can almost expect Eli Manning type production. The real question here is will the team w/ the first pick actually trade it? I don't think that they will.

And then there is Drew Brees. Probably the safest option, but also very unlikely. Teams have been in the habit recently of allowing players to hit the deadline, and then franchising them. IF that scenario plays out, and New Orleans franchises Drew Brees, then I would think that the Cardinals would almost have to make an offer. Two first's is pretty fair for a player that has been as productive as Drew Brees has been. He would require a big contract, but now is the time to sign those big deals because the salary cap is set to jump in 2013/2014 due to the TV money. Backload the deal, and be set for a 3 or 4 years at the QB position.

Now, lets bring in a bit of reality. I can't see our front office even entertaining any of these scenarios. Graves is conservative at best, and doesn't seem to take many risks. So, I don't even think that you would hear AZ mentioned in these conversations. But, from an outside perspective, at least making a play for Luck or Brees would be a great move for the Cardinals in showing their agressiveness and desire to improve as an organization.

Acquiring a top QB takes a fair amount of risk in this league. Brady was a 6th round pick who played well for an injured Drew Bledsoe (young pro bowl QB), and the team took a huge risk trading Drew.

Aaron Rodgers was taken and then sat behind a Hall of famer for 3 years. The Packers had to cut an icon in order to give him his chance to shine.

Eli Manning was traded for by the Giants. Had to give up Phillip Rivers + picks.

Drew Brees was recovering from shoulder surgery and had only a couple good seasons under his belt.

Cam Newton had one year of major college football and was taken by Carolina w/ the first pick.

Ben Roethlisberger played at Miami of Ohio, and had to be taken in the first round.

You give me a top NFL QB and I will tell you the gamble that the team took to get him. That is why I had no problem w/ the Cardinals acquiring Kolb, and I think that, in light of Kolb's concussion issues, that they should consider making a play for either Luck or Brees.

 

[Gandhi]

Now, lets bring in a bit of reality. I can't see our front office even entertaining any of these scenarios. Graves is conservative at best, and doesn't seem to take many risks. So, I don't even think that you would hear AZ mentioned in these conversations. But, from an outside perspective, at least making a play for Luck or Brees would be a great move for the Cardinals in showing their agressiveness and desire to improve as an organization.

I agree, both in that they probably won’t do it and that they should. However, I think last offseason might have brought some hope that they actually would entertain such action. Not only the bold trade for Kolb, but just as much that Graves initially offered a first- and third round pick to the Eagles. Or that they made a bid to Nnamdi Asomugha. Or that they effectively made sure that Fitz will retire a Cardinal. I could also point to the article where Michael Bidwill makes it very clear that he expects better production from Kolb.

On top of all this a part of me thinks that Whis and Graves could ‘survive’ bringing in another QB, even though trading for Kolb was sort of their all or nothing-move. I think this because it’s not really their fault that Kolb hasn’t produced throughout the season, and it might be viewed as simply a smart business-decision to bring in a new starter, since everyone can see that Skelton is not a very good QB. As you point out it wouldn’t really point to Kolb being a failure, or Whis and Graves making a stupid deal. It just played out that way.

By the way, I agree that it would be much safer to go with Drew Brees. I just strongly doubt that he wants to leave New Orleans.

 

[Chopper0080]

I agree, both in that they probably won’t do it and that they should. However, I think last offseason might have brought some hope that they actually would entertain such action. Not only the bold trade for Kolb, but just as much that Graves initially offered a first- and third round pick to the Eagles. Or that they made a bid to Nnamdi Asomugha. Or that they effectively made sure that Fitz will retire a Cardinal. I could also point to the article where Michael Bidwill makes it very clear that he expects better production from Kolb.

On top of all this a part of me thinks that Whis and Graves could ‘survive’ bringing in another QB, even though trading for Kolb was sort of their all or nothing-move. I think this because it’s not really their fault that Kolb hasn’t produced throughout the season, and it might be viewed as simply a smart business-decision to bring in a new starter, since everyone can see that Skelton is not a very good QB. As you point out it wouldn’t really point to Kolb being a failure, or Whis and Graves making a stupid deal. It just played out that way.

By the way, I agree that it would be much safer to go with Drew Brees. I just strongly doubt that he wants to leave New Orleans.

While I think that Brees would prefer to stay in New Orleans, don't over estimate player loyalty in the NFL. Brees is smart, and hasn't had the huge payday his production has warranted over his career. If the Saints franchise him and a similar team (AZ shares a dome, similar atmosphere, solid players on the offensive skill positions, and has a head coach who is good w/ vets) offers him a boatload of money, structured in a way that speads the Saints too thin to match, Brees will leave rather than take a pay cut.

 

[JeffGollin]

This is more of a "political" observation than it is pure football:

Many GM's are loathe to enter a draft one-pick short (especially a Day One pick). I suspect Rod Graves is one of those GM's.

It wouldn't surprise me, therefore, if the Cards did some trade-down/then some trade-up manouvering in order to pick up a 2nd round pick to replace the lost Kolb pick.

We might trade down for more picks and then bundle a couple of late Day One/Early Day 2 picks in order to jump back into the 2nd round.

I'm not saying I necessarily agree with this; I just think we might do it (even though this hasn't been a past RG MO.

 

[oaken1]

While I think that Brees would prefer to stay in New Orleans, don't over estimate player loyalty in the NFL. Brees is smart, and hasn't had the huge payday his production has warranted over his career. If the Saints franchise him and a similar team (AZ shares a dome, similar atmosphere, solid players on the offensive skill positions, and has a head coach who is good w/ vets) offers him a boatload of money, structured in a way that speads the Saints too thin to match, Brees will leave rather than take a pay cut.

some guys just aint all about the money...... Brees loves it here, the city, the area, the fans, the team..... IMO Drew actually WOULD take a pay cut to stay in New Orleans.....

some time back...Saints fans wore bags over their heads to NFL football games......for the last few years, they have been hyping their NEXT Super Bowl Victory..... do not underestimate what Brees has done for this franchise and community,...and the team knows it as well.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

The PR hit the Saints would take losing Brees would be unbelievable. I think the Cards could sign him to a monstrous offer sheet, offer the two #1's, and the Saints would still match the contract. Manning may be a different story. I think the franchise and fans have somewhat already moved onto Luck.

 

[cardpa]

Where does everyone stand on the kid who backs up Rogers in GB. I can't remember his name however he is coming free this off season. He seems to have taken a similar road that Rodgers took up there except Rodgers is still a lot younger than Farve at the point GB let Farve go.

 

[Assface]

Where does everyone stand on the kid who backs up Rogers in GB. I can't remember his name however he is coming free this off season. He seems to have taken a similar road that Rodgers took up there except Rodgers is still a lot younger than Farve at the point GB let Farve go.

Matt Flynn. He's a 26 year old former 7th round draft pick with a career qb rating of 68.1.