Word on the Street

[CardLogic]

If it's gonna go down, it will be this Wednesday!

Why not Thursday?

 

[Jetstream Green]

Why not Thursday?

Because Wednesday is when the holy moon of Adrian Peterson is properly aligned, it's now part of our Cardinal lore and religious beliefs lol

 

[Krangodnzr]

@Krangodnzr @Chopper0080 @DVontel

I wonder if Dotson being more of an outside guy is why they might favor him over Burks.

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I dont think he's better. However, you likely want to avoid risking Rondale getting "Kirk'd". Might just want him squarely in the slot to find out his real potential. Dotson sets up to replace Green.

Burks showed up to predraft workouts a little chubby. His motivation is questionable. He might not realize that the CBs of the NFC West are all going to be significantly better than the CBs he faced in college.

He does have shades of Anquan Boldin to his game. If you could pull history from draft that year, you'd see me shouting from the mountain tops to draft Anquan and arguing with those who thought he wasn't that good.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I like Zion and Wyatt, both trench guys on their respective side of the ball. I will not gripe if it's a WR, but edge rusher or CB will bum me out lol

Wyatt is old for a rookie. That's not a good sign.

 

[Krangodnzr]

@Krangodnzr @Chopper0080 @DVontel

I wonder if Dotson being more of an outside guy is why they might favor him over Burks.

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I dont think he's better. However, you likely want to avoid risking Rondale getting "Kirk'd". Might just want him squarely in the slot to find out his real potential. Dotson sets up to replace Green.

Overall I really want Olave. College technicians tend to workout better than guys who just won physically.

Remember this years ago when Olave has 5 straight 1000 yard seasons and most of the rest of these receivers go the way of N'Keal Harry.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Wyatt is old for a rookie. That's not a good sign.

I do not care, he is not a old man and can disrupt the pocket... the guy plays football with a hate for the offense reminiscent of Deacon Jones, and I can see a lot of Darnell Dockett in him

 

[akg102]

The only WR I'd trade up significantly for is Wilson. Let the rest fall where they may. The worst possible scenario would be trading up for a WR with 0 ball skills......because.......Keim.

 

[Stout]

Don't be stupid and trade up, Keim. Just don't do it.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Don't be stupid and trade up, Keim. Just don't do it.

100% this

 

[BritCard]

Don't be stupid and trade up, Keim. Just don't do it.

If it was a 2023 3rd to move up 5 spots and get Williams or one of the primo edge guys I'd be fine with that, which I think is the only scenario he would move up.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Don't be stupid and trade up, Keim. Just don't do it.

I would do so for an impact WR. Or an impact pass rusher.

Have a shot at Jermaine Johnson? Do it.

 

[juza76]

I would do so for an impact WR. Or an impact pass rusher.

Have a shot at Jermaine Johnson? Do it.

But he must have an impact then, which is as probable like someone else drafted few spots later
And we are not talking about a consensus top 5 pick

 

[CT CARDSFAN]

I would take Zion Johnson @ 23 And then trade up to #35 or #38 with the Jets to get Arnold Ebiketie, OLB, 2nd best pass rusher in the draft. Trade of the Cards 55, 201, and next year 2nd.

 

[Chopper0080]

@Krangodnzr @Chopper0080 @DVontel

I wonder if Dotson being more of an outside guy is why they might favor him over Burks.

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I dont think he's better. However, you likely want to avoid risking Rondale getting "Kirk'd". Might just want him squarely in the slot to find out his real potential. Dotson sets up to replace Green.

I would agree that this is probably much of the appeal of ay high round WR they target. They can't relegate Moore to the #4 spot after one year.

 

[Chopper0080]

Overall I really want Olave. College technicians tend to workout better than guys who just won physically.

Remember this years ago when Olave has 5 straight 1000 yard seasons and most of the rest of these receivers go the way of N'Keal Harry.

Olave is also my dream pick.

 

[Chopper0080]

I would do so for an impact WR. Or an impact pass rusher.

Have a shot at Jermaine Johnson? Do it.

I have a tough time seeing any of these guys being worth an additional 3rd round player. This roster needs young talent and making bad moves because you have a bad GM is even worse.

Even if it is a 2023 3rd, you had better be sure you are getting the right guy.

 

[SoonerLou]

Could backfire, but based on fit I'd trade a pick next year to get him.

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Olave would be best case if he falls to us without needing to move a pick though.

 

[BritCard]

I'll say this again just so it's clear I was wrong when he's a star.

I don't like Olave. I see a guy that catches a lot of passes he's never going to get open for in the NFL. He does nothing on contested catches and can't break tackles.

Guaranteed we draft him.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I have a tough time seeing any of these guys being worth an additional 3rd round player. This roster needs young talent and making bad moves because you have a bad GM is even worse.

Even if it is a 2023 3rd, you had better be sure you are getting the right guy.

Meh I'd give up a Josh Jones to trade in a Dotson for an Olave.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I'll say this again just so it's clear I was wrong when he's a star.

I don't like Olave. I see a guy that catches a lot of passes he's never going to get open for in the NFL. He does nothing on contested catches and can't break tackles.

Guaranteed we draft him.

I honestly have no idea what you are or aren't seeing.

Olave is going to be a damn good player. I'd bet on him being good over all the other WRs, and it isn't even close.

 

[football karma]

I would agree that this is probably much of the appeal of ay high round WR they target. They can't relegate Moore to the #4 spot after one year.

100% this

AJ is a stop gap -- they need a young outside guy. Preferably with some size, but ill take sub 6-ft if he can run the entire route tree

 

[football karma]

I honestly have no idea what you are or aren't seeing.

Olave is going to be a damn good player. I'd bet on him being good over all the other WRs, and it isn't even close.

on the top 6 WRs, the statement is:

[WR I like] is going to be a star. [WR i dont like] wont be successful in the NFL because .......

read enough draft guides, and all of them appear in either of those brackets

 

[juza76]

Keim when he says he can trade up very likely means trade down

 

[BritCard]

Meh I'd give up a Josh Jones to trade in a Dotson for an Olave.

Dotson is going to be better than Olave...

 

[BritCard]

I honestly have no idea what you are or aren't seeing.

Olave is going to be a damn good player. I'd bet on him being good over all the other WRs, and it isn't even close.

Olave is a good route runner, his ball tracking and body control are good and he's quick. Smooth is the most common and accurate word for him. My issue is his catching. Watch his highlight tape below. How many of his catches are full extension, or contested, or a tight window. 80% of his catches are body catches with bucket arms. Most of the rest are hands up at head height at best. You just don't get many of these at the NFL level, yet nearly all Olaves catches are like that. He doesn't really have highlight catches, he has highlight plays.

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Guys like Dotson have tape full of NFL catches. Dotson's 20th best catch would probably Olaves best. And Dotson always drew CB1 coverage, had garbage at QB and still made plays.

I don't think Olave has ever drawn CB1 coverage.

I might be wrong and Olave has that in his locker but just barely used it. But if I'm drafting I'd be very wary of taking him high. I don't see Olave as an outside guy that's going to take on top CB's and win contested catches at all. His ceiling is probably a very good slot where he can use his speed and route running to get open uncontested.