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[Skkorpion]

http://arizonasportsfans.com/storypage.php?Story_ID=467&Category=cardinals

 

[joeshmo]

Just a few comments.

"Clement is too tall and may never be able to play low to gain enough leverage to be a good blocker and overcome his back problems."

Height has nothing to do with anything. Pace is 6-7 and ogden is 6-9. The only problem I have is if he still has lingering back problems. Wasnt he over 340 last year? Becuae so far he is under 340 this year which is a step in the right direction.

"Wilson is arrogant and has a history of free-lancing."

I can care less if he is arrogant most good players are. The only problem I have is his free lancing, that is the only real problem I saw form him last year, and he has already admitted that he did it, admitting it is the first step.

"Davis has been injury-prone, workout-resistant, and a chronic under-performer."

Injury prone? He has only missed 3 games in 3 years. And 2 of those games came from a fight in practice. Workout-resistant? Just becuase he is here for the "voluntary workouts" doesnt make him workout resistent, we have no idea what he is doing in Texas, and by all accounts he came to the OTA in good shape. The only issue I have with him is he needs to be more consistently aggresive which is his biggest fault. His play is easily distinguishable when he is aggresive and when he isnt.

Pete Kendall, Kyle Vanden Bosch, Duane Starks, Jason McAddley, Levar Fisher and Ray Thompson can't absorb too much more punishment and still play. McAddley has chronic hamstring problems, Vanden Bosch's knee are held together with duct tape, Levar Fisher plays in pain all the time, and Kendall misses five games every year with a new injury each year. Losing four of those five for the season wouldn't be unreasonably pessimistic.

Agreed. Except for Thompson. Since when has had injury problems? Did I miss something? Starks and KVB are going full speed right now so there is plenty of hope fo both of them. But I do have my concerns with Kendall and Fisher, and KVB(never thought he was any good in the first place of which I will probably get ripped for saying).

Yeah right. Dansby is represented by the Poston brothers, and only Fitzgerald may be ready to make an impact. Any significant rookie contribution would be unusual.

What does the Postons have to do with Dansby contributing. If I remember correctly none of there 2nd rounder clients have held out during training camp, so Dansby will be in camp. They only play real hardball with their big salary guys. And rookies contributing right away is unusuall? I think you have been stuck in Cardinal land for to long becuase on some teams 1st day rookies especially do contribute and make an impact, maybe not Boldin type impact but they do contribute.

"If Denny turns all three into real NFL players by September, he'll have worked a major miracle. Salvaging two of the three would still be a shocker. Saving one is at least likely.

Miracles can and do happen. But not usually to us. So I am more fearful than hopeful."

Holy Doom and Gloom Batman.

 

[az1965]

Agreed with most... About time someone paints a realistic picture vs all these koolaid articles... Don't get me wrong. I'm still excited with this staff and believe they will bring the most out of the team. But it is going to take couple of years.

 

[CardLogic]

Ray Thompson - injury prone???

While Ray may be a couple of drinks or a joint away from suspension, I am not aware of any ongoing injury concerns with him.

 

[Russ Smith]

Just a few comments.



Height has nothing to do with anything. Pace is 6-7 and ogden is 6-9. The only problem I have is if he still has lingering back problems. Wasnt he over 340 last year? Becuae so far he is under 340 this year which is a step in the right direction.




What does the Postons have to do with Dansby contributing. If I remember correctly none of there 2nd rounder clients have held out during training camp, so Dansby will be in camp. They only play real hardball with their big salary guys. And rookies contributing right away is unusuall? I think you have been stuck in Cardinal land for to long becuase on some teams 1st day rookies especially do contribute and make an impact, maybe not Boldin type impact but they do contribute.

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I made that comment years ago on AC after his first back problems, he was visibly "stiffer" and has been ever since, he's just not as flexible and agile and that's why he looks so slow and ineffective against speed rushers.

The problem with Dansby is the primary reason he was a 2nd rounder and not a 1st rounder IMHO(again this is my thinking not the official word) is because everyone knew the Postons were his agent and they backed off.

Remember on draft day everyone was saying wow nice pick they got a first round talent in the second round, and that's why, teams backed off because of his agent.

So now we take the risk his agents, with a history of hostile negotiations, come to us and say "Karlos should have been a first rounder so we are expecting a higher than slot value contract." It may not happen but that's my fear and probably what Skorp means too.

 

[MAKTEN]

So now we take the risk his agents, with a history of hostile negotiations, come to us and say "Karlos should have been a first rounder so we are expecting a higher than slot value contract." It may not happen but that's my fear and probably what Skorp means too.

Heres hoping Dansby does make it in early to increase the likely hood of an impact. I have a gut feeling he will tear it up in the NFL, with a definite impact in his 1st year.


Just curious, what is the Cards history with the Postons?

 

[slanidrac16]

Good Article and I respect your opinion, however,

As far as coaching up, anybody on this team that isn't coachable will , at the very least, be riding the bench if not flat out cut. I also think that this current roster will not remain the same come September. I think as many as 3 or 4 waiver wire acquisitions will be made.
I still think you have to keep in mind players on this team will automatically be 15 to 20 pct better because of better coaching, all around game planning, and offensive philosophy.
Clement might not even be a starter when the season starts. McCadelly, I think is history. Levar Fisher has IR written all over him. Wilson will either be very good this year or gone next. I tend to think he is really going to blossom this year. Also, it wasn't just a coincidence that we drafted 2 potential centers. Shelton will be fine. Davis will be fine. Starks? If he plays it's a bonus!

Remember, If guys like Clement, Bryant,or whoever gets beaten out of a starting job, that would mean we are replacing them with a BETTER player. No?

Thats my opinion and I'm sticking to it!

 

[vikesfan]

Just a few comments.



Height has nothing to do with anything. Pace is 6-7 and ogden is 6-9. The only problem I have is if he still has lingering back problems. Wasnt he over 340 last year? Becuae so far he is under 340 this year which is a step in the right direction.



I can care less if he is arrogant most good players are. The only problem I have is his free lancing, that is the only real problem I saw form him last year, and he has already admitted that he did it, admitting it is the first step.



Injury prone? He has only missed 3 games in 3 years. And 2 of those games came from a fight in practice. Workout-resistant? Just becuase he is here for the "voluntary workouts" doesnt make him workout resistent, we have no idea what he is doing in Texas, and by all accounts he came to the OTA in good shape. The only issue I have with him is he needs to be more consistently aggresive which is his biggest fault. His play is easily distinguishable when he is aggresive and when he isnt.



Agreed. Except for Thompson. Since when has had injury problems? Did I miss something? Starks and KVB are going full speed right now so there is plenty of hope fo both of them. But I do have my concerns with Kendall and Fisher, and KVB(never thought he was any good in the first place of which I will probably get ripped for saying).



What does the Postons have to do with Dansby contributing. If I remember correctly none of there 2nd rounder clients have held out during training camp, so Dansby will be in camp. They only play real hardball with their big salary guys. And rookies contributing right away is unusuall? I think you have been stuck in Cardinal land for to long becuase on some teams 1st day rookies especially do contribute and make an impact, maybe not Boldin type impact but they do contribute.



Holy Doom and Gloom Batman.

Your analysis is better imo.

 

[Russ Smith]

Heres hoping Dansby does make it in early to increase the likely hood of an impact. I have a gut feeling he will tear it up in the NFL, with a definite impact in his 1st year.


Just curious, what is the Cards history with the Postons?

I don't think we have a history with the Postons, I was referring to their history with other players like Orlando Pace and now Julian Peterson.

 

[joeshmo]

I don't think we have a history with the Postons, I was referring to their history with other players like Orlando Pace and now Julian Peterson.

With the new contract guy on board, it makes me wonder if TB has had any run ins with the Postons. Off of the top of my head if they have I dont remember hearing about any problems.

 

[joeshmo]

Does anyone know off of the top of there heads how many 2nd rounders have held out and who there agents were?

I think the Postons did have a few 2nd rounders last year but who were they?

I cant find a list any where of players and their agents.

 

[Southpaw]

The points in the article seem to be legitimate and reasonable. I would be astonished if the majority of the players discussed did a 180 degree turnaround in their play. Hope for improvement and be staisfied with that.

 

[TJAM]

Injuries

Part of the "off season" is suppose to be for getting parts of the body rebuilt while trying to rest and let what is left of the body to heal. No one seams to acknowledge the toll that beating up yourbody for 6 months takes.

Several of the current players are seriously dinged and bruised right now, and its not from last season, but rather the last 2 months. I know there is a lot to do to learn a new system and you need to weed out players who do noe believe..............but there seems to be a limit . It will be interesting to see how many of them are standing after preseason...........like the Bear Bryant first year

 

[Toro]

After a 4-12 season, shouldn't we have a lot of questions about the Cardinals. This article is nothing that a fan already knows.

 

[Red Air Force]

See, we may be a 4-12 / 5-11 team as far as our players go, but from a game time perspective, we now have a chess master instead of a checkers player. That fact alone should get us at least 2-3 more wins.

Our guys will walk out there with the full confidence that their coach knows what the hell he doing, and that they won't burn all three time outs in the first 10 minutes, or only rush 3 guys at a QB with a broken leg.

Dieon Sanders once said, "Given the choice between a team of guys with talent or a team with confidence...I'll take the team with confidence every time. Because if you have the confidence that you'll win no matter what, you can overcome a team with talent, but no confidence."

Excecution is one part of the equation, and is still a huge ?, but Game Palnning and Game Management are the others, and the improvement of those alone could be enough to double our win total.

 

[vikesfan]

See, we may be a 4-12 / 5-11 team as far as our players go, but from a game time perspective, we now have a chess master instead of a checkers player. That fact alone should get us at least 2-3 more wins.

Our guys will walk out there with the full confidence that their coach knows what the hell he doing, and that they won't burn all three time outs in the first 10 minutes, or only rush 3 guys at a QB with a broken leg.

Dieon Sanders once said, "Given the choice between a team of guys with talent or a team with confidence...I'll take the team with confidence every time. Because if you have the confidence that you'll win no matter what, you can overcome a team with talent, but no confidence."

Excecution is one part of the equation, and is still a huge ?, but Game Palnning and Game Management are the others, and the improvement of those alone could be enough to double our win total.

 

[Second Deck]

I must be more fearful also I just returned from Vegas and did not make usual bet on the Cards to win SB even though they were 150-1 at Mandaly Bay. I fell if starks is not healthy we are very iffy at corner. I still have hope DG will get the O-line playing better and we are 1oo yds a game rushing.

One thing that drove me nuts last year was Macs love for Gilmore. He would never play Kasper unless everyone else was hurt then when he play he would make 2 or 3 key plays a game but be back on the bench. I feel much more comfortable that players will play on performence and not some mind game Mac played.

 

[joeshmo]

Excecution is one part of the equation, and is still a huge ?, but Game Palnning and Game Management are the others, and the improvement of those alone could be enough to double our win total.

Agreed.

It looked like we had the same game plan for every single team. Plus didnt Sullivan try to simplify the offense by cutting down on the run plays. More creativity in our game plan and playbook was lacking big time last year. I looked like we had a total of 8 run plays in our playbook. And clock mamagement should be better as well. Using all of your timeouts in the first quarter is demoralizing to a teams confidence.

 

[green machine]

I must be more fearful also I just returned from Vegas and did not make usual bet on the Cards to win SB even though they were 150-1 at Mandaly Bay. I fell if starks is not healthy we are very iffy at corner. I still have hope DG will get the O-line playing better and we are 1oo yds a game rushing.

From the sound of this it seems like these concerns are the reason you think the Cards will not win the Super Bowl. I think there are a few more than that.

 

[SECTION 11]

Agreed.

It looked like we had the same game plan for every single team. Plus didnt Sullivan try to simplify the offense by cutting down on the run plays. More creativity in our game plan and playbook was lacking big time last year. I looked like we had a total of 8 run plays in our playbook. And clock mamagement should be better as well. Using all of your timeouts in the first quarter is demoralizing to a teams confidence.

Man, I'm not going to miss that at all. More than a few times the whole program was just a mess. Ugh.