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Worst Cardinals' Draft Pick Starting with 2000.
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Kyle Vanden Bosch in 2001 with the first pick in the second round.
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My vote also is Wendall. The bigholdout then the big bust. I would never draft anyone out of Wisconsin again.
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kerouac9 said:
I guess KVB should be there if TJ is. But too late though K9.
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The BJ/Pace debacle takes it for me....
BTW, who did we miss out on by choosing Bryant and KVB?
BTW, who did we miss out on by choosing Bryant and KVB?
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Part of it is that we're not really defining our terms here. Is it a bust in the way that they played (or didn't)? Because while Thomas Jones was not a very good player here, his post-Arizona career really seemed to illustrate that it wasn't so much his fault as it was Dave McGinnis' for drafting an Ahman Green-type back and putting him in an offense designed for Jamal Lewis.
I would say that KVB was a worse pick than Raynoch Thompson, since at least Raynock made the occaisional play as an Arizona Cardinal, but all Kyle had were his first two games, and he never did anything after that.
I would say that KVB was a worse pick than Raynoch Thompson, since at least Raynock made the occaisional play as an Arizona Cardinal, but all Kyle had were his first two games, and he never did anything after that.
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Very simple choice IMO.
Stone was a terrible player AND a terrible reach by the front office.
Stone was a terrible player AND a terrible reach by the front office.
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kerouac9 said:
I meant from a "value as a player in general" perspective.
So, KVB's remarkable 2005 season kept him off the list.
TJ made it because he stunk it up, while healthy, here in AZ for a few years. And, because Alexander was also available at that spot.
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Seeds Of Hate said:
If we really wanted a DT, we should have taken Albert Haynesworth, but Mac was so focused on drafting "nice" guys that he passed on him. Also passed on Jeremy Shockey, T.J. Duckett, and Javon Walker (who with a pre-crazy David Boston would have been a great WR pair for a long time).
In 2001, Mac took KVB ahead of guys like Alge Crumpler, Chad Johnson, ROY Anthony Thomas, Kendrell Bell, Ken Lucas, and Fred Smoot.
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Crimson Warrior said:
But Thomas Jones' remarkable last two seasons (when he was the offense for the Chicago Bears) doesn't disqualify him from the list? That's pretty ridiculous, since TJ never really got a chance here (his touches per game was silly during his entire tenure in Cardinal red) and Shaun Alexander was taken 11 picks later.
The Jets had 3 first-rounders in the 2000 draft. That's insane.
I agree with K9 about Thomas Jones. TJ had a funny, but true, quote this year in Chicago. He wondered why they drafted him because they never used him.
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That used to drive Swd crazy. That the Cards would use their #1 selection and spend $15 million bucks on a RB so he could split time or just sit.
But to decide on worst draft pick since 2000 you need better parameters. Was the guy a bad selection because there were better players available or was he a poor choice because he never did anything for the Cards.
To me it is Bryant because he was the 12th selection in the draft and never did anything. He was so bad he is no longer in the league. That 2002 draft was probably the worst overall draft by any team in the NFL this century.
Only one of the first 5 players taken is still on an NFL roster!
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There should not even be a discussion....Bryant was easily the worst Draft pick the Cards made. Everyone kept waiting for the guy to nut up and do something and he never did and as stated he is out of the league...Duckjake said:
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Duckjake said:
The 02' draft sealed Macs fate.
The criteria is that whichever name on the list causes you the most nausea, that's the one you choose.
Seeds Of Hate said:
Players selected after Wendell Bryant in 2002;
Donte Stallworth
Jeremy Shockey
Javon Walker
Ed Reed
Lito Sheppard
Players selected after KVB in 2001;
Alge Crumpler
Chad Johnson
Kendrell Bell
Ken Lucas
Fred Smoot
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kerouac9 said:
I'm almost 100% sure that they had 4 firsts.
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abomb said:
It's funny that KVB did better than both Bell and Smoot after they all switched teams the same year.
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Duckjake said:
Really? He ended up going 19 spots later. Mac sure was a talent guru.
Pro Football Weekly and Riddell present ...
2002 NFL draft
Cards don’t gamble on draft miscues
McGinnis & Company stick with philosophy
By Jeff Reynolds, Associate editor of special projects
April 20, 2002
Wow. Imagine the celebration in the Arizona Cardinals’ War Room when OT Levi Jones went to the Bengals and DE Dwight Freeney was drafted by Indianapolis.
The domino effect was that DT Albert Haynesworth and CB Phillip Buchanon, two players that seemed like sure things, fell in the lap of Bill Bidwill’s Cardinals. A player Arizona thought would be around, DT John Henderson, went ninth to Jacksonville. But like the two teams before, Arizona passed, and grabbed agile DT Wendell Bryant from Wisconsin.
I see this for the Cardinals, hands down, as the safe and solid pick of the draft. With DE Kyle Vanden Bosch, the team’s second-round pick in 2001, DL Fred Wakefield, DL Russell Davis and others in tow, Bryant fits a bill the Cardinals have bounced in the past.
Remember Simeon Rice, Andre Wadsworth and Eric Swann? So do the Cardinals. That is why the Cardinals played it safe, and went with the character pick Bryant, allowing brash Buchanon and high-potential Haynesworth to be someone else’s worry.
The Cardinals made positive strides in the offseason, signing upper-tier free agents CB Duane Starks and TE Freddie Jones, as well as keeping in-house OT Anthony Clement to stabilize one of the youngest and potentially potent offensive fronts in the league.
Heading to the NFC West after being buried in the NFC East for years, the Cards needed to upgrade in sacks (19), takeaways (24) and rush defense (allowed 120+ yards in 10 of 16 games). Also, head coach Dave McGinnis, a former LB coach and defensive coordinator, had to take additional steps to shore up the Cardinals’ pass defense with QBs Kurt Warner, Jeff Garcia and Trent Dilfer in the division.
Oh, yes, there are some good running backs around as well. St. Louis features a guy named Marshall Faulk, San Francisco was second in the NFL in rushing behind the Rams with Garrison Hearst and Kevan Barlow doing most of the damage. And Seattle features Shaun Alexander, who rushed for 1,200 yards last season despite starting a little more than half the season.
The Cardinals now have another piece of the defensive puzzle and are closer to solving the West Coast offenses of these three divisional foes. Bryant is active and, while some consider him undersized for the position, the 6-4, 300-pounder has the speed to play outside and move along the line to put pressure on the opposing offensive line and quarterback. That was the primary goal for the Cardinals entering the draft.
Mission accomplished.
2002 NFL draft
Cards don’t gamble on draft miscues
McGinnis & Company stick with philosophy
By Jeff Reynolds, Associate editor of special projects
April 20, 2002
Wow. Imagine the celebration in the Arizona Cardinals’ War Room when OT Levi Jones went to the Bengals and DE Dwight Freeney was drafted by Indianapolis.
The domino effect was that DT Albert Haynesworth and CB Phillip Buchanon, two players that seemed like sure things, fell in the lap of Bill Bidwill’s Cardinals. A player Arizona thought would be around, DT John Henderson, went ninth to Jacksonville. But like the two teams before, Arizona passed, and grabbed agile DT Wendell Bryant from Wisconsin.
I see this for the Cardinals, hands down, as the safe and solid pick of the draft. With DE Kyle Vanden Bosch, the team’s second-round pick in 2001, DL Fred Wakefield, DL Russell Davis and others in tow, Bryant fits a bill the Cardinals have bounced in the past.
Remember Simeon Rice, Andre Wadsworth and Eric Swann? So do the Cardinals. That is why the Cardinals played it safe, and went with the character pick Bryant, allowing brash Buchanon and high-potential Haynesworth to be someone else’s worry.
The Cardinals made positive strides in the offseason, signing upper-tier free agents CB Duane Starks and TE Freddie Jones, as well as keeping in-house OT Anthony Clement to stabilize one of the youngest and potentially potent offensive fronts in the league.
Heading to the NFC West after being buried in the NFC East for years, the Cards needed to upgrade in sacks (19), takeaways (24) and rush defense (allowed 120+ yards in 10 of 16 games). Also, head coach Dave McGinnis, a former LB coach and defensive coordinator, had to take additional steps to shore up the Cardinals’ pass defense with QBs Kurt Warner, Jeff Garcia and Trent Dilfer in the division.
Oh, yes, there are some good running backs around as well. St. Louis features a guy named Marshall Faulk, San Francisco was second in the NFL in rushing behind the Rams with Garrison Hearst and Kevan Barlow doing most of the damage. And Seattle features Shaun Alexander, who rushed for 1,200 yards last season despite starting a little more than half the season.
The Cardinals now have another piece of the defensive puzzle and are closer to solving the West Coast offenses of these three divisional foes. Bryant is active and, while some consider him undersized for the position, the 6-4, 300-pounder has the speed to play outside and move along the line to put pressure on the opposing offensive line and quarterback. That was the primary goal for the Cardinals entering the draft.
Mission accomplished.
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