Would this be a fair trade

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[Divide Et Impera]

Absolutely and sign me up!

 

[Duke of Oysters]

No. Are there really people who would prefer Dirk over Amare?

 

[carey]

No. Are there really people who would prefer Dirk over Amare?

Yes. I've said it in the trade forum as well. I think it would revitalize Nash and Dirk simultaneously. It'd give Shaq a little more room to work and spread the floor out to the 3 point line even more and also allow Hill to focus more on his midrange game instead of having to leak out to the 3 point baseline. Works for Barnes, Hill not so much.

Edit: I should say that individually i prefer Amare, but for the team game we're running now I think Dirk fits better and we'd see more production from Nash as well.

 

[AfroSuns]

Yes. I've said it in the trade forum as well. I think it would revitalize Nash and Dirk simultaneously. It'd give Shaq a little more room to work and spread the floor out to the 3 point line even more and also allow Hill to focus more on his midrange game instead of having to leak out to the 3 point baseline. Works for Barnes, Hill not so much.

Edit: I should say that individually i prefer Amare, but for the team game we're running now I think Dirk fits better and we'd see more production from Nash as well.

Assumptions.
I also believe Amare (baring injury) will develop into a better player than Dirk and i think he is much tougher to guard in his natural position than Dirk is, in his. replacing Amare with Dirk will do little to improve our offense and may just do worse for our defense.

 

[Covert Rain]

Dirk is soft and inferior in the inside IMO. He has a great outside game. Do we really need a perimeter PF? I say no.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Dirk is soft and inferior in the inside IMO. He has a great outside game. Do we really need a perimeter PF? I say no.

as opposed to Amare who's what on the inside? He has no post up game and rebounds at the same rate. Amare's soft as well, but at least Dirk's a better passer and has shown to ability to step up huge in big games. Amare hasn't shown the ability to be any kind of closer since 2004-5.

 

[Mainstreet]

Yes. I've said it in the trade forum as well. I think it would revitalize Nash and Dirk simultaneously. It'd give Shaq a little more room to work and spread the floor out to the 3 point line even more and also allow Hill to focus more on his midrange game instead of having to leak out to the 3 point baseline. Works for Barnes, Hill not so much.

The trouble is the Suns would be living in the past although it would be quite exciting at least for awhile especially since Nash and Dirk play so well together and both are friends.

IMO, the Mavs could have won a Championship if they had just kept Nash and let everything play out. Cuban messed with the Mavs too much because they got jitters and lost in the Finals one season. Ironically if the Mavs had kept Nash in his prime I believe he would have provided them the poise to get past Miami.

 

[cly2tw]

no way.

with the rate of improvement Amare has been making this season after they got rid of some malcontent, Amare finally has a chance to live up to his potentials by learning through failure.

 

[Errntknght]

Barea was dynamite in their win over Portland yesterday! He was the one that was most responsible for them pulling it out in the fourth quarter. That and Roy couldn't buy a bucket - exact opposite of how he was against us, with Josh Howard tossed out of the game, no less.

Over the long haul I'd like that trade but its too late in the season.

 

[Covert Rain]

as opposed to Amare who's what on the inside? He has no post up game and rebounds at the same rate. Amare's soft as well, but at least Dirk's a better passer and has shown to ability to step up huge in big games. Amare hasn't shown the ability to be any kind of closer since 2004-5.

At least Amare will throw his body and bump guys. He is obviously not a great defender but Dirk on the block is like a revolving door. Also, Dirk has a post up game? Since when? At least Amare will drive around someone and dunk on them. Dirk would rather stop and pop then use his body against anybody.

As far as closer...you must have forgotten what a great closer Dirk as been in the playoffs lately.

 

[DevonCardsFan]

I Like it, Spacing wise would work alot better, Amare already because of spacing is forced to be an outside shooter,

Dirk, Hill, Shaq, Nash, Richardsons sounds great

 

[Cheesebeef]

At least Amare will throw his body and bump guys. He is obviously not a great defender but Dirk on the block is like a revolving door.

they both suck at defense.

Also, Dirk has a post up game?

he does? I never said he did. Although he can post up people on mismatches which Amare is unable to do.

Since when?

again, I never said he did so you can answer this question as well as I can.

At least Amare will drive around someone and dunk on them.

this rarely happens now.

Dirk would rather stop and pop then use his body against anybody.

and he's incredibly effective at it.

As far as closer...you must have forgotten what a great closer Dirk as been in the playoffs lately.

I have forgotten anything about Dirk in the last couple years. Thing is I can't remember anything Amare's done at the end of playoff games or big regular season game since 2004-5.

 

[Cheesebeef]

The trouble is the Suns would be living in the past although it would be quite exciting at least for awhile especially since Nash and Dirk play so well together and both are friends.

IMO, the Mavs could have won a Championship if they had just kept Nash and let everything play out. Cuban messed with the Mavs too much because they got jitters and lost in the Finals one season. Ironically if the Mavs had kept Nash in his prime I believe he would have provided them the poise to get past Miami.

this completely ignores the fact that they would have never gotten to the Finals against Miami because they would have lost to the Spurs, just like every single Steve Nash led team always has.

 

[Covert Rain]

they both suck at defense.



he does? I never said he did. Although he can post up people on mismatches which Amare is unable to do.



again, I never said he did so you can answer this question as well as I can.


this rarely happens now.



and he's incredibly effective at it.



I have forgotten anything about Dirk in the last couple years. Thing is I can't remember anything Amare's done at the end of playoff games or big regular season game since 2004-5.

So again....there is no reason to make this trade based on the above. I see no enduring qualities in Dirk that would make a difference. I mean if your are going to mismanage the game and not use Shaq at the end.....and decide to shoot a jump shot a la Dirk...we have guys like Nash and JRich who can make those.

 

[JustinD]

no thank you to that trade...if we are gonna move amare, we need to either do better than dirk or get expiring contracts and look toward 2010 offseason..

 

[PhxGametime]

If the Suns had a better shot of re-signing/resigning (whichever it is) lol Dirk, over Amare... I could accept Trade.


BTW, I have a mavs fan friend though and he says Cuban lusts on Dirk lol so not sure the mavs would pull the trigger...

 

[Mainstreet]

this completely ignores the fact that they would have never gotten to the Finals against Miami because they would have lost to the Spurs, just like every single Steve Nash led team always has.

If you read my post again you will see I was talking about the Mavs missing Nash playing Miami. See second paragraph. Nash was not the problem. The Mavs also had Devin Harris.

The first paragraph just reflects the Suns would be looking to the past if they joined Nash with Dirk like in Dallas. I think Nash has already left his best years on the court so it would be more or less nostalgic.

 

[AceP]

Trading Amare is plain stupid. No any other PF in the league worth us trading for. Not even Boozer or Bosh.

According to my observation, Porter spent a lot of games to establish Amare + Shaq twin tower as our cornerstone in offense. And it appears to be successful. I saw good chemistry developing between these 2. I feel this is going to payoff in the rest of the season.

 

[Cheesebeef]

If you read my post again you will see I was talking about the Mavs missing Nash playing Miami.

i saw that, but they would have never gotten to Miami because they would have never gotten past SA so I think your point is moot. Nash WAS the problem against SA there, just like he is here. He gets killed on D by Parker and is nullified by Bowen on O.

 

[hsandhu]

i saw that, but they would have never gotten to Miami because they would have never gotten past SA so I think your point is moot. Nash WAS the problem against SA there, just like he is here. He gets killed on D by Parker and is nullified by Bowen on O.

In fairness dallas took the spurs to 6 games in 2003 with dirk missing the last 3 games of the series entirely. The only other time they lost to s.a. was in 2001.

 

[Ollie]

I would do it (I'd try to snatch Bass instead of Green and to get rid of Dragic), but I think the Mavs wouldn't do it, though.

This would probably ruin their chemistry, and I can't see why they'd take Barbosa, who's basically a lesser-talented Terry.

 

[slinslin]

Why would anyone want to do this.

Nash isn't going to be revitalized by Dirk, Nash is simply old.

Why would anyone give up our ONLY piece to build around for several more years for a plain old version of the Mavericks, silly.

 

[SunsTzu]

i saw that, but they would have never gotten to Miami because they would have never gotten past SA so I think your point is moot. Nash WAS the problem against SA there, just like he is here. He gets killed on D by Parker and is nullified by Bowen on O.

The Spurs were crushed by injuries in that series. The Mavs probably don't even let it get to game 7 if Nash is there imo. Those had to be the worst 2 teams in the finals I can remember, had Bell not gone down I think the Suns could have taken the Mavs and they were just a .500 team the 2nd half of the season after KT went down.

 

[dodie53]

include Bass, then it's a deal