Would you pull the string on this trade?

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Before we get all GM crazy with numbers and cap spaces, etc, because you can always throw in extra bodies to make a trade work, just evealuate the theory I am espousing.

Assumption 1: The Suns have always been looking for a franchise center since losing the coin toss for Lew Alcindor (Kareem Abdul Jabbar).

Assumtion 2: The Suns do not believe they can win a championship with this roster.

Big Question: Would you trade a Marion and Joe Johnson (Or a JJ and Amare) for a Yao Ming and whoever else on both sides to make a trade happen?
 

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Originally posted by Yuma
Big Question: Would you trade a Marion and Joe Johnson (Or a JJ and Amare) for a Yao Ming and whoever else on both sides to make a trade happen?

Possibly. It is not really worth worrying about because Yao is not going anywhere. He will only get $4,5 million next year and $5.6 million the following year. As a rule, the only time teams move guys under rookie contracts is when they do not play well. Starting on the all-star team does not quite qualify.

A much more interesting question might be, would you trade Marion and Barobosa for Steve Francis? (It would have to be this summer due to the BYC issue). I'm not convinced it would be a good deal, but it is clear that Francis is going to be shopped.
 

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Originally posted by Yuma
Before we get all GM crazy with numbers and cap spaces, etc, because you can always throw in extra bodies to make a trade work, just evealuate the theory I am espousing.

Assumption 1: The Suns have always been looking for a franchise center since losing the coin toss for Lew Alcindor (Kareem Abdul Jabbar).

Assumtion 2: The Suns do not believe they can win a championship with this roster.

Big Question: Would you trade a Marion and Joe Johnson (Or a JJ and Amare) for a Yao Ming and whoever else on both sides to make a trade happen?

Nice thinking, but if history has shown anything, it's that franchise centers don't get traded. Yao has some question marks, but I don't think Houston would trade him for anyone short of Duncan at this point. If in a couple of years he still hasn't progressed, then maybe they'll consider some offers. But as a young 7'6" guy with talent ... I don't think he's going anywhere.
 

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Re: Re: Would you pull the string on this trade?

Originally posted by newfan101
Nice thinking, but if history has shown anything, it's that franchise centers don't get traded.
Zo got traded. Kareem got traded. Wilt got traded twice. Robert Parish got traded. Moses Malone got traded. Luc Longley got traded.

That being said, I agree that Yao is not going to get traded any time soon.
 
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Re: Re: Re: Would you pull the string on this trade?

Originally posted by capologist
Zo got traded. Kareem got traded. Wilt got traded twice. Robert Parish got traded. Moses Malone got traded. Luc Longley got traded.

That being said, I agree that Yao is not going to get traded any time soon.

LMAO.. i like how you included longley at the end :D

of course, it would be even more rare today to see franchise centers get traded, since they're almost extinct
 

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A much more interesting question might be, would you trade Marion and Barobosa for Steve Francis?

Absolutely not. Francis has all of Marbury's bad qualities and none of his good ones.
 

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Re: Re: Re: Would you pull the string on this trade?

Originally posted by capologist
Zo got traded. Kareem got traded. Wilt got traded twice. Robert Parish got traded. Moses Malone got traded. Luc Longley got traded.

That being said, I agree that Yao is not going to get traded any time soon.

Luc Longley. Now I AM convinced. :D

Seriously folks, some of the early trades were forced trades. If a star player insists on being traded or else not play hard, the team has little choice. When Wilt went form the Warriors to the Sixers, it was all but forced on the Warriors. The same was true with Kareem going from the Bucks to the Lakers.

the first time Parish was traded, from the Warriors to the Celtics, he was not a major force at center. His passive demenor was confused with lack of interest. At the same tiem, he was traded to the ideal team for his talent with one of the greatest low post PF's in the history of the game in McHale.

I never really understood why Moses was traded, but Houston did get Hakeem Olajuwon and Ralph Sampson. Moses led the Sixers to the championship game, but was pretty much on the last part of his career.
 

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no yoa isnt the answer at center. i personally dont think that he will ever be, for a couple of reasons. first is because every summer he must go serve china in her basketball needs. he never stops playing and doesnt get any downtime to rest. players with big bodies (over 7") generally have been more injury prone then others. because of this i believe that yoa nba time is going to be short some where around 5 to 6 years before his body brakes down so bad that he will have to cut back his basketball time. next reason is the type of basketball yoa was brought up in. they believe it is rude to dunk the ball. it isnt right to question the call of a ref. if yoa had amare's mind set of taking it at players then maybe i would think about it but with yoa's game now i wouldnt even trade barbosa for him. ok'ed i would trade casey but no one else.
 

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I would never do that trade....
 

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I wouldn't do it for a couple of reasons.

First off, it isn't possible. The suns would have to take back a max contract in return, and I can't think of anyone on the Rockets I would rather have than Marion or JJ (except for Yao).

Secondly, Scottsman nailed it. If he has to go back every summer to China, he will not only be prone to more injury, but he will most likely wind down near the end of the year because he will be so tired. Although I think he went overboard with the Barbosa and Casey comment :)
 

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Marion and draft picks? yes sir.


But not JJ... He is getting closer and closer to a great player(with a good attitude I might add)...
 

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Originally posted by thegrahamcrackr
Although I think he went overboard with the Barbosa and Casey comment :)

i think that barbosa is going to be a very special player in the nba. follow gary payton's time in the nba. see how he started out and then when he moved to. in time i think that barbosa will be a player very much like payton without the post up game and with a better outside shot. so to trade a player like that for a player who i think will be in the nba for another 2-3 years doesnt make sense to me.

i beleive that casey will be in the nba for a very long time. heck i can see him. being a sharpe shooting in the nba for another 10 to 12 years. steve kerr type player. so would would you trade a long term player for a better player knowing you are only going to get him for another 2 or 3 years? even more so if you knew that he would be able to bring this team a championship in that time?
 

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Amare and JJ? Never.

First of all can Yao not even play the pace necessary against us, how is he supposed to be able to play our pace at all?

Yao is soft, he lacks the killer instinct. I wouldn't trade Amare for him.
 

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Originally posted by slinslin
Amare and JJ? Never.

First of all can Yao not even play the pace necessary against us, how is he supposed to be able to play our pace at all?

Yao is like every other great low post player, he slows the game down if he is to be effective. It is valuable to be able to play slower in the playoffs, but it would be a huge adjustment for the Suns.

In any case, the Showtime Lakers proved that a team an run in spite of a tall slow center. The key is the ability to hit outlet passes.

Yao is soft, he lacks the killer instinct. I wouldn't trade Amare for him.

I'm not ready to write off Yao's toughness based on 1 1/2 seasons. He seems to be more physical than he was last year.

We've watched how much impact "growing up" can have on players like JJ. Yao is still maturing and getting used to the NBA.
I'd love to havae him, but he's not going anywhere.
 
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I guess I should have added: assuming that Houston would trade Yao. I figured that was understood in the phrase would you pull the string on thi trade, which implies it is our decision to make! :D
 

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Originally posted by arthurracoon
A core of JJ, Amare, and Yao would be beautiful

Just Amare and Yao!

Then close your eyes and Imagine!
 
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