Would you trade the #3 pick +? for Bradley Beal?

[Sunburn]

9 for 20 shooting with 4 turnovers to go with those 6 assists is a below average and highly inefficient game for Booker. Plus he was thoroughly outplayed by Donovan Mitchell, and, oh yeah, we lost by 17 at home.

The game before that, Booker had 37 points on 13 for 23 shooting to go along with 11 assists and 8 rebounds. And we won. Against GS. Besides, you can't cherry pick one game as a reflection of a player's overall play. Like I said before, we played our best ball of the season with Tyler Johnson starting alongside Book.

 

[1Sun]

From where I stand, of all the Suns' problems this year (and there were many), the three fundamental problems were (in no particular order):

Lack of a legitimate NBA point guard
Lack of a legitimate NBA power forward
Igor Kokoskov as Head Coach

In my opinion, at least two of these need to be addressed in the offseason, or you can count on next season being a repeat of the debacle that was this season.

 

[Mainstreet]

From where I stand, of all the Suns' problems this year (and there were many), the three fundamental problems were (in no particular order):

Lack of a legitimate NBA point guard
Lack of a legitimate NBA power forward
Igor Kokoskov as Head Coach

In my opinion, at least two of these need to be addressed in the offseason, or you can count on next season being a repeat of the debacle that was this season.

I think there is a consensus on the first two items.

 

[1Sun]

The game before that, Booker had 37 points on 13 for 23 shooting to go along with 11 assists and 8 rebounds. And we won. Against GS. Besides, you can't cherry pick one game as a reflection of a player's overall play. Like I said before, we played our best ball of the season with Tyler Johnson starting alongside Book.

And some of our worst ball as well, as evidenced by the last game Johnson started for us. You can't cherry pick, either. We had two good weeks the entire season, and while we had a few good wins with Johnson starting alongside Book, we still had several typically ugly losses.

 

[1Sun]

I think there is a consensus on the first two items.

And yet some are clamoring to pair Booker with another shooting guard and go a third consecutive season without a legitimate NBA point guard...

 

[Mainstreet]

And some of our worst ball as well, as evidenced by the last game Johnson started for us. You can't cherry pick, either. We had two good weeks the entire season, and while we had a few good wins with Johnson starting alongside Book, we still had several typically ugly losses.

Within a week the Suns beat the Bucks and Warriors with Johnson starting at point guard.

It's important to note that Oubre was part of the equation as well.

 

[Sunburn]

And some of our worst ball as well, as evidenced by the last game Johnson started for us. You can't cherry pick, either. We had two good weeks the entire season, and while we had a few good wins with Johnson starting alongside Book, we still had several typically ugly losses.

Im not cherry picking. You are with the Utah game. Im merely countering with the GS example, which was the game immediately prior, and came amidst our best stretch of the season. We had ugly losses all year. The point remains, we played our most promising ball with Tyler Johnson starting. Imagine Bradley Beal in place of Johnson.

 

[Mainstreet]

And yet some are clamoring to pair Booker with another shooting guard and go a third consecutive season without a legitimate NBA point guard...

The Suns need a player next to Booker who can help distribute. It could be a combo guard with passing skills.

 

[AzStevenCal]

The game before that, Booker had 37 points on 13 for 23 shooting to go along with 11 assists and 8 rebounds. And we won. Against GS. Besides, you can't cherry pick one game as a reflection of a player's overall play. Like I said before, we played our best ball of the season with Tyler Johnson starting alongside Book.

You know he's just spinning crap here right? The idea that Mitchell "thoroughly outplayed" Booker in that Utah game is nothing but BS. You could make a case for either player that night but all told, final score notwithstanding, Booker gets the slight edge IMO. Regardless of which way you come down on it, "thoroughly outplayed" either comes from someone that didn't watch the game or it's from someone that has chosen to prevaricate". And 9 for 20 isn't great by any means but he did draw 9 free throws which helps not just on offense but defense too. There's nothing wrong with the game Devin had that night against Utah. And Mitchell wasn't double and triple teamed like Booker.

 

[Sunburn]

You know he's just spinning crap here right? The idea that Mitchell "thoroughly outplayed" Booker in that Utah game is nothing but BS. You could make a case for either player that night but all told, final score notwithstanding, Booker gets the slight edge IMO. Regardless of which way you come down on it, "thoroughly outplayed" either comes from someone that didn't watch the game or it's from someone that has chosen to prevaricate". And 9 for 20 isn't great by any means but he did draw 9 free throws which helps not just on offense but defense too. There's nothing wrong with the game Devin had that night against Utah. And Mitchell wasn't double and triple teamed like Booker.

Yes, I know. Booker's game was fine.

 

[GatorAZ]

Barrett would be a cornerstone piece for them along with additional pieces PHX may add so it wouldn’t be a rebuild especially since Dinwiddie will be back. Having to spend minimum of $35M on two PG’s when they could use that money on guys like Leonard & Durant to go with Barrett and Dinwiddie sounds illogical.

Russell is a cornerstone piece for them. He’s 23 and the best player on a playoff team.

 

[sunsfan88]

I’d rather pray the duke duo goes 1-2 and Morant drops to 3 and he runs the point with bridges playing the 3.


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The Knicks are the only team stupid enough to take RJ Barrett in the top 3 of the NBA draft. We’d basically have to pray that the Knicks land at 2 if the Suns are at 3.

 

[boisesuns]

We still have free agent $ right? Why not draft Barrett if we’re at 3, then sign a guard, and maybe move a few more guys for a better bench.

 

[Hoop Head]

We still have free agent $ right? Why not draft Barrett if we’re at 3, then sign a guard, and maybe move a few more guys for a better bench.

It all depends on how much Oubre gets in free agency. If he gets a large offer, $15 million a year or more, then our cap space is essentially done but he is a restricted free agent and we have his bird rights so we can go over the cap to sign him. We'll have somewhere in the neighborhood of $12 million or so in cap space after factoring in all cap holds though so we won't be able to spend big.

Part of why we need an experienced GM is because we need someone who can play this offseason right to maximize the cap space we have and add an impact player or two plus keep Oubre and add our pick.

 

[taz02]

What available PG would be a better option than Beal?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

The Knicks are the only team stupid enough to take RJ Barrett in the top 3 of the NBA draft. We’d basically have to pray that the Knicks land at 2 if the Suns are at 3.

Hmm what players would you take over Barrett other than Zion and Ja?

 

[sunsfan88]

Hmm what players would you take over Barrett other than Zion and Ja?

Meant to write “stop enough to take Barrett in the top 2 of the draft”.

That said, I would take Coby White over him. The rest of the draft seems awful to me with no other player even looking like he will be a starter in the NBA.

Of course drafts are crapshoots so there could be a Gobert type player somewhere in the there in a later round.

 

[1Sun]

Meant to write “stop enough to take Barrett in the top 2 of the draft”.

That said, I would take Coby White over him. The rest of the draft seems awful to me with no other player even looking like he will be a starter in the NBA.

Of course drafts are crapshoots so there could be a Gobert type player somewhere in the there in a later round.

Sekou Doumbouya?

 

[JCSunsfan]

I think there are potential surprises.

Darius Garland. Has the handles and the shot. He also is a good passer when he chooses to pass. That is the rub. He might surprise.
Bol Bol could be a Gobert type of surprise. Has size, shot blocking, moves well even thought it looks awkward, is a fantastic shooter. He is just thin and an injury risk.

One of the things that seems to predict players pretty well is tankathon's player stats evaluations. The one with the green and red bubbles. That was an early indication of Landry Shamet's value, and Knox's lack of value.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Meant to write “stop enough to take Barrett in the top 2 of the draft”.

That said, I would take Coby White over him. The rest of the draft seems awful to me with no other player even looking like he will be a starter in the NBA.

Of course drafts are crapshoots so there could be a Gobert type player somewhere in the there in a later round.

I find white intriguing but I don’t think I take him over Barrett.

 

[Phrazbit]

Going against the grain of a lot of people I normally agree with here...

No. I wouldn't do it, I wouldn't even think of it, I also think the Wiz would jump all over it.

Beal is a good player but, given the NBA's salary structure, if we're bringing in a guy making 28 million a year he needs to fill a clear need for us, Beal doesn't. He isn't a big, he isn't a defender, he isn't a point guard, he isn't a distributor. Most damaging, he's paid a ton and he's on the brink of being paid another ton.

I think we'd be better with him than we are right now, perhaps playoff better, but I think a good point guard would make us better than he would and could be had at a much more reasonable price, both in cap space and without the trade cost.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Going against the grain of a lot of people I normally agree with here...

No. I wouldn't do it, I wouldn't even think of it, I also think the Wiz would jump all over it.

Beal is a good player but, given the NBA's salary structure, if we're bringing in a guy making 28 million a year he needs to fill a clear need for us, Beal doesn't. He isn't a big, he isn't a defender, he isn't a point guard, he isn't a distributor. Most damaging, he's paid a ton and he's on the brink of being paid another ton.

I think we'd be better with him than we are right now, perhaps playoff better, but I think a good point guard would make us better than he would and could be had at a much more reasonable price, both in cap space and without the trade cost.

I jumped on the Beal bandwagon reluctantly and mainly because of the names floating around here such as Rondo, Rubio, McConnell, Wall, Rose, Tyus, Brogdon, Rozier and the like. Brogdon wouldn't be a horrible choice but I still consider him bottom of the barrel for a starting spot, good enough as a stop gap but he's going to want to get paid.

I was adamantly opposed to Wall, Rose, Rozier, Tyus, Rondo, Rubio and Jones and with Kemba and Russell not likely available, Beal seemed like the best option. I don't believe he and Booker could lead us to the championship but we're probably 5 years away from having to worry about even the possibility of a title and things will likely shake out well before then.

So, all that said, who did you have in mind that might be attainable that makes more sense than Beal? Unlike many here, I am not opposed to a rookie PG as long as he's not 3 years away from being 3 years away. Our young guys still have a lot of growth in front of them and it would be nice to find an all around point guard that can grow with them. I like what I've seen from Morant but I haven't seen enough to be sure he's that guy. Maybe we'll know more after workouts, perhaps there's a Brogdon in the making that's available at the start of the 2nd round?

 

[devilalum]

Ok, too lazy to read this entire thread but why do people always think you can trade crap nobody wants for something everybody wants?


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[Hoop Head]

Ok, too lazy to read this entire thread but why do people always think you can trade crap nobody wants for something everybody wants?


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You think the #3 pick holds no value? I'm not sure what sort of value it holds but the #3 pick to a team on the cusp of a full rebuild doesn't seem too far fetched.

 

[95pro]

You think the #3 pick holds no value? I'm not sure what sort of value it holds but the #3 pick to a team on the cusp of a full rebuild doesn't seem too far fetched.

There's also value in expirings and friendly contracts, Johnson and TJ respectively.