WTF Amare

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

Ejected tonight
Fouled out last night
Shown up by Shaq game after game
Not rebounding
Techs galore
Little improvement on defense
Discussing Free Agency with the press
Complaining about touches with the press
Complaining about not being the go to guy with the press



Start acting like a man!

 

[dbUNIT16]

Yep! I just wrote an article on it! He lost us the game against the Nets a few weeks back doing the same thing!

Is it just me, or is Amare Stoudemire’s utter lack of focus alarming? In a game where the Suns were already without 2-time MVP Steve Nash, Amare lost his focus, getting into early foul trouble, then lost his cool, picking up two simultaneous technical fouls.

It was bad enough that he wasn’t there for his team last night. Luckily Shaq had enough in the tank to carry the Suns team to victory again, as they beat the Memphis Grizzlies 101-89.

Amare knew his team was without Nash. He knew that the Diesel, who rarely plays back-to-back games, would likely be tired from the prior night. Still, he couldn’t keep it together.

This is becoming a habit for Amare, and not the thing you would expect from a franchise player who claims to want to be “the man.”

Earlier this season against the New Jersey Nets, the Suns weren’t so fortunate. Amare Stoudemire was ejected for picking up two technical fouls in the fourth quarter. At the time of his ejection the Suns were leading 98-100 with 3:24 remaining in the fourth quarter. From that point on the Suns would be outscored 19-7, and lose the game 117-109.

One has to wonder if Amare is putting too much pressure on himself. Trying too hard, and outthinking himself. Sometimes it’s better to relax a bit and play your game. There are players in the NBA like Kevin Garnett that feed off intensity and emotion, but they never cross the line where their emotions cost their team a ballgame. Unless Amare finds that line, he will never be “the man.”

Also, has anyone else noticed that Robin Lopez has no hands? He missed two dunks and had a turnover where the ball just went through his hands!

On a brighter note, atleast the bench is getting some minutes. We will need them down the stretch. Last night was far better for Dee Brown, and Jared Dudley though. Amundson was great tonight though!

 

[Blackification]

Ejected tonight
Fouled out last night
Shown up by Shaq game after game
Not rebounding
Techs galore
Little improvement on defense
Discussing Free Agency with the press
Complaining about touches with the press
Complaining about not being the go to guy with the press



Start acting like a man!

He complained to the press a long time ago people seriously need to get over it starting to get annoying hearing it. Yea he is stupid for complaining but its history now get over it he obviously doesn't care and no one wants to discuss it in every thread. Also, Steve Nash talked about his free agency in 2010 and basically said the same thing Amar'e did its a cliche answer to say they want to explore their free agency.

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

He complained to the press a long time ago people seriously need to get over it starting to get annoying hearing it. Yea he is stupid for complaining but its history now get over it he obviously doesn't care and no one wants to discuss it in every thread. Also, Steve Nash talked about his free agency in 2010 and basically said the same thing Amar'e did its a cliche answer to say they want to explore their free agency.

A long time ago? It was less than a month ago, and it has been part of a continuing trend of disappointment.

You cant see the forest from the trees, sir.

fail

 

[SirStefan32]

He complained to the press a long time ago people seriously need to get over it starting to get annoying hearing it. Yea he is stupid for complaining but its history now get over it he obviously doesn't care and no one wants to discuss it in every thread. Also, Steve Nash talked about his free agency in 2010 and basically said the same thing Amar'e did its a cliche answer to say they want to explore their free agency.

I disagree. Cliche (and also proper) answer is, "I am just focusing on right now, on this season and this team, and I am not even thinking about 2010 yet." Here is a direct quote from Nash:
"It's fun for fans and media," said Nash, who will see his contract expire in 2010. "As players, it's the most idiotic thing in the world to think about two years from now...
Maybe it will be something to talk about in two years, but right now I've got my hands full trying to get us to a higher level."



You are also wrong that nobody cares nor wants to discuss it. Discussion about Amare is very relevant, perhaps the most relevant discussion we can have about the future of this team.
In 2010, the Suns have a decision to make- a big decision that will impact the team for years to come.
If Amare is extended, he will be making Shaq/Tim Duncan/Kobe type of money- way to much for somebody who is not a franchise player.

We all know that Amare is a beast, a freak of nature, an amazingly talended player. Nobody is arguing otherwise. The argument is that he may not have what it takes to be a franchise player, and when a non-franchise player is making $20 mil per year, it is very difficult to win championships. If you have a max player, there is only so much talent you can surround him with. Many of us are worried (as are Kerr and Sarver, I am sure) that Amare is not good enough to lead the team that doesn't have another superstar and a few all-stars on it.

Is Amare in the same league as Duncan, Garnet, young Shaq, Lebron, DWade, etc is a very relevant question. Things like complaining to the press, crying and whining about not being "the man", getting himself ejected from games and thus putting the team in danger of losing ball games, certainly makes for a relevant discussion.

 

[SirStefan32]

fail

I think his post warranted one of your classic FAIL pictures, maybe even an epic fail one.

 

[Blackification]

A long time ago? It was less than a month ago, and it has been part of a continuing trend of disappointment.

You cant see the forest from the trees, sir.

fail

A month is a long time. Look at what has happened since that complaint. The whole play style of the team has changed and a main formula of the players. His complaint for touches wasn't a bad one at the time, his complaint for wanting to be the man was though but it doesn't need to be said to suns fans on a forum every time a discussion comes up.

I disagree. Cliche (and also proper) answer is, "I am just focusing on right now, on this season and this team, and I am not even thinking about 2010 yet." Here is a direct quote from Nash:
"It's fun for fans and media," said Nash, who will see his contract expire in 2010. "As players, it's the most idiotic thing in the world to think about two years from now...
Maybe it will be something to talk about in two years, but right now I've got my hands full trying to get us to a higher level."



You are also wrong that nobody cares nor wants to discuss it. Discussion about Amare is very relevant, perhaps the most relevant discussion we can have about the future of this team.
In 2010, the Suns have a decision to make- a big decision that will impact the team for years to come.
If Amare is extended, he will be making Shaq/Tim Duncan/Kobe type of money- way to much for somebody who is not a franchise player.

We all know that Amare is a beast, a freak of nature, an amazingly talended player. Nobody is arguing otherwise. The argument is that he may not have what it takes to be a franchise player, and when a non-franchise player is making $20 mil per year, it is very difficult to win championships. If you have a max player, there is only so much talent you can surround him with. Many of us are worried (as are Kerr and Sarver, I am sure) that Amare is not good enough to lead the team that doesn't have another superstar and a few all-stars on it.

Is Amare in the same league as Duncan, Garnet, young Shaq, Lebron, DWade, etc is a very relevant question. Things like complaining to the press, crying and whining about not being "the man", getting himself ejected from games and thus putting the team in danger of losing ball games, certainly makes for a relevant discussion.

Uhm I never told you not to discuss it but who wants to read about it in every thread. Someone makes a thread about Amar'e and the allstar game and the first response is "Amar'e isn't the man!!!!" The discussion is relevant but not in every thread is my point. Talk about it when its actually about it not in every Amar'e thread. People can discuss whatever they want i'm not telling them not to, just don't go around discussing it everywhere because its annoying to everyone.

 

[green machine]

Amare's rebounding has improved recently as well as his D, I think.

That said, the last two nights sucked, and I bet he was still very much frustrated from fouling out against OKC that it carried over to his pissy mood in Memphis.

 

[SirStefan32]

Amare's rebounding has improved recently as well as his D, I think.

That said, the last two nights sucked, and I bet he was still very much frustrated from fouling out against OKC that it carried over to his pissy mood in Memphis.

Good point. I am very happy with Amare's much improved rebounding and his focus on defense in the past couple of weeks.

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

A month is a long time. Look at what has happened since that complaint. The whole play style of the team has changed and a main formula of the players. His complaint for touches wasn't a bad one at the time, his complaint for wanting to be the man was though but it doesn't need to be said to suns fans on a forum every time a discussion comes up.


Uhm I never told you not to discuss it but who wants to read about it in every thread. Someone makes a thread about Amar'e and the allstar game and the first response is "Amar'e isn't the man!!!!" The discussion is relevant but not in every thread is my point. Talk about it when its actually about it not in every Amar'e thread. People can discuss whatever they want i'm not telling them not to, just don't go around discussing it everywhere because its annoying to everyone.

A month is a long time if you're 3 years old, and its certainly not a long time when the issue is compounded week by week. Dont be naive to try to prove a point.

Also, Im not sure you realize this, but coming into a thread to complain about the thread, and repeating the same complaint multiple times in a post, seems a bit silly. That ironic hypocritical kind of silly. And it's not "every thread" but it is a "current issue that keeps coming up". Dont exaggerate to make an invalid point.

And nothing Nash said in his interview about 2010 was surprising or unexpected. "Phoenix is obviously my first choice, but I'm Canadian and would love to retire there or my favorite city, New York."

That's exactly the answer I would expect to hear for that question. Anything else would be a lie.

 

[Irish]

Since I didn't see the games, I'm guessing the fouls were the typical bogus stuff Amare keeps getting hit with. We complain about his defense, but the refs are pretty good at taking it away. But I think he needs to realize that this is going to keep happening and griping only makes it worse.

Why do the refs pick on him? They want to teach him a lesson - that they can do absolutely anything they want and he damn well better learn to live with it.

Shaq gets litterly dozens of non-calls when opponents foul him - except when they want to get them called. He's reconciled to the fact that the refs won't call anything short of straignt takedown when opponents attack him. Amare hasn't figured this out. So when he has the ball and is obviously being fouled, he lets his frustration get the better of him. Nash is another abused guy, but doesn't get T'ed up like Amare who displayes his disrepect for refs he feels don't respect him.

Obviously Cartright has a big job working with Amare. Cartwright had the advantage of the MJ effect (BC actually thought Longley could play because he could foul with impunity due to playing with Jordan). It's obvious to us that the fire that makes Amare great also gets him into trouble. Of course it could be worse if Amare gets caught laughing.

 

[Blackification]

A month is a long time if you're 3 years old, and its certainly not a long time when the issue is compounded week by week. Dont be naive to try to prove a point.

Also, Im not sure you realize this, but coming into a thread to complain about the thread, and repeating the same complaint multiple times in a post, seems a bit silly. That ironic hypocritical kind of silly. And it's not "every thread" but it is a "current issue that keeps coming up". Dont exaggerate to make an invalid point.

And nothing Nash said in his interview about 2010 was surprising or unexpected. "Phoenix is obviously my first choice, but I'm Canadian and would love to retire there or my favorite city, New York."

That's exactly the answer I would expect to hear for that question. Anything else would be a lie.

Ok then how is that different than Amar'e saying he would love to stay in Phoenix his whole career but he doesn't know what will happen in 2010?

 

[Cheesebeef]

jesus. I forgot he got kicked out of the Nets game as well. Mental freaking midget is what Amare is.

 

[nashman]

While it was stupid for him to get ejected I must say, wtf is the ref doing ejecting anyone for complaining about a call. It was a bogus call and he barely complained it took a minute for people to realize the ref called 2 techs and was ejecting him. What a ridiculous ejection I have seen guys all up in the refs face complaining and don't even get T'd up but Amare gets 2 and ejected...I think the Suns got screwed on this one.

 

[Sovereignz]

It's really ridiculous how some people only operate on (very) short term memory.

This dude scored 20+ in 12 straight games or something ridiculous like that, led the team in rebounding for 8 straight in the same time frame, had a game where he dished out 8 dimes and has been playing generally great ball for weeks, and then he has one game where he gets in foul trouble and another where he gets a bogus ejection, WE WIN BOTH GAMES, and this is the reaction? Holy Santa Claus ****.

And I seriously wonder if any other team's "fans" would ever react to that kind of ejection in even close to a similar manner. He got ejected for the same crap we've watched from Tim Duncan and Kobe Bryant (and thank God he retired, but it was 100x worse from Sam Cassell) every night for a decade, and instead of being outraged that our star player gets jobbed all some can do is make threads about what an idiot and mental midget he is. I really don't see how any fan of this team couldn't be absolutely pissed that he got ejected for that. It just doesn't make sense.

 

[leclerc]

I think he has improved his defence and his rebounding is coming along. This might be a result of him playing the 4 instead of center. They're both, especially the rebounds, a will thing, a wanting to get 10+ and be a double double guy and be a force on both ends. He is getting better every season. We can't continue saying he's not a franchise player and then complain when he wants to be the man. To me he's better than Kevin Garnett. That's like comparing Mario Elie and Michael Jordan as Marbury once put it. and to be honest he has reduced his stupid foul ratio. His fouls per game is down from 3.7 to 3.2.

I can't understand why we can't sign him to another contract and still get 1-2 more All Star caliber players and still be below the tax. I mean other teams are doing it.

Oh, and I think it's rude and childish passing out "fail" on other users posts.

 

[Chaplin]

It's really ridiculous how some people only operate on (very) short term memory.

This dude scored 20+ in 12 straight games or something ridiculous like that, led the team in rebounding for 8 straight in the same time frame, had a game where he dished out 8 dimes and has been playing generally great ball for weeks, and then he has one game where he gets in foul trouble and another where he gets a bogus ejection, WE WIN BOTH GAMES, and this is the reaction? Holy Santa Claus ****.

And I seriously wonder if any other team's "fans" would ever react to that kind of ejection in even close to a similar manner. He got ejected for the same crap we've watched from Tim Duncan and Kobe Bryant (and thank God he retired, but it was 100x worse from Sam Cassell) every night for a decade, and instead of being outraged that our star player gets jobbed all some can do is make threads about what an idiot and mental midget he is. I really don't see how any fan of this team couldn't be absolutely pissed that he got ejected for that. It just doesn't make sense.

I think that's a good point. Tim Duncan does what Amare did on that those techs every single time he gets called for a foul. But he's never ejected for it. Yes, Amare needs to work on his maturity, there's no question, but you cannot deny that there is a little bit of bias here--in no way did he deserve to be ejected last night. No way.

 

[Rab]

Yeah, I've been impressed by Amare lately. I'm not sure what exactly he did to get ejected last night, but it didn't look like it was anything outrageous. The cameras kind of panned away, so I didn't really see much.

He does need to be more in control when the chips are down though. Without Nash, and on a back-to-back, the Suns really needed him. Hopefully he'll have a good bounce back game on Friday.

 

[leclerc]

That's so true Rab. He has to think and recognize the state of the game. Keep under control when the team counts on you. Play by example.

 

[shazaam6]

It's really ridiculous how some people only operate on (very) short term memory.

This dude scored 20+ in 12 straight games or something ridiculous like that, led the team in rebounding for 8 straight in the same time frame, had a game where he dished out 8 dimes and has been playing generally great ball for weeks, and then he has one game where he gets in foul trouble and another where he gets a bogus ejection, WE WIN BOTH GAMES, and this is the reaction? Holy Santa Claus ****.

And I seriously wonder if any other team's "fans" would ever react to that kind of ejection in even close to a similar manner. He got ejected for the same crap we've watched from Tim Duncan and Kobe Bryant (and thank God he retired, but it was 100x worse from Sam Cassell) every night for a decade, and instead of being outraged that our star player gets jobbed all some can do is make threads about what an idiot and mental midget he is. I really don't see how any fan of this team couldn't be absolutely pissed that he got ejected for that. It just doesn't make sense.

Great post

Amare gets shafted by refs and some fans blame him instead of the ones making the "mistakes" to start with. If it was once in a while, fine Amare should shut up and play because __it happens, but COME ON. They are BIASED against Amare and he reacts to their B.S. calls or non-calls which don't get called against the other players. Amare needs support to stop this biased reffing for our teams benefit. Stern should be shown tapes of all the bad calls against Amare until he does something to stop it. This is outrageous........

 

[elindholm]

Amare gets shafted by refs and some fans blame him instead of the ones making the "mistakes" to start with.

Yes, because this is a pattern with certain Suns, particularly Stoudemire, Nash, and D'Antoni when he was here. They preoccupy themselves with trying to win some sort of moral game, operating in the realm of the way things "should be," instead of how things are.

I do think that the officials have a quick trigger on Stoudemire, but you know what? That's the way it is. There's no point crying about it, and there's certainly no point pretending it's not true. The bias against Stoudemire is unfair, but calling it unfair doesn't make it go away. The league is unfair; we all know that. So accept the reality and adjust.

Amare needs support to stop this biased reffing for our teams benefit.

"Support" from whom? Message board posters? I hope you aren't under the illusion that any conversations in this forum have any impact on the league.

Stern should be shown tapes of all the bad calls against Amare until he does something to stop it.

Dream on. When's the last time Stern admitted to a mistake in NBA officiating methodology? Oh, that's right, never.

 

[dbUNIT16]

Great post

Amare gets shafted by refs and some fans blame him instead of the ones making the "mistakes" to start with. If it was once in a while, fine Amare should shut up and play because __it happens, but COME ON. They are BIASED against Amare and he reacts to their B.S. calls or non-calls which don't get called against the other players. Amare needs support to stop this biased reffing for our teams benefit. Stern should be shown tapes of all the bad calls against Amare until he does something to stop it. This is outrageous........

Outrageous? Shafted by the refs? Respect is earned, and reputations are based on prior attitudes. Amare has a history of this, he often throws both arms out violently when he disagrees with a call. So are they harder on him now, maybe! But he has to make the adjustment. Just saying they're biased and continuing to argue is only going to make things worse for him and the Suns.

 

[shazaam6]

You guys think you are being realistic right? That this is the way it is, so even though you admit it is wrong, we should all accept it and move on like you have.

Dream on sheeple.

You can accept this bullsh!t and call it reality, but I don't think I will. Amare has my moral support to for calling attention to the ref's B.S. and until Stern calls it off, he can go to hell.

 

[shazaam6]

"Support" from whom? Message board posters? I hope you aren't under the illusion that any conversations in this forum have any impact on the league.

I'm not thinking we can change the league but I will speak out here about what I think is wrong and say that I support Amare and share some frustration with all the biased calls/non calls against him. I don't have a problem letting go if it happens to all players but this is ridiculous and has been ongoing for years so I believe it is intentionally being done from the top(Stern bastard).


Dream on. When's the last time Stern admitted to a mistake in NBA officiating methodology? Oh, that's right, never.[/quote]

Agree with you here. I actually agree with a lot of what you say, I just don't think Amare is wrong or dumb like other fans for getting after the refs about it.

Amare: "Hey how come they get ice cream and I get nothing."
Refs: "Complaining now Amare? Here have some ****.... Happy now."
Amare: "Kiss my ---"
Some fans: "That's the problem with Amare, he should just accept nothing and be happy."
Other fans: "Stern is a bastard for doing this to any player. It is not right and he should be investigated for descrimination or allowing descrimination."

Ok, I am dreaming.

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

You guys have no idea what Amare said to the ref. I can think of a few things that a hotheaded Amare could say to an official to get double tech'd and booted.

Maybe he said something about the ref's **** ******
or mentioned something about ********* **** *********
it could have been something like ******* in the ***** with his ******* and that wont be tolerated
if he brought up the ref's daughter's ****** ****** and how he ****** **** last night, that would surely warrant the boot
I wont even go into the ********** ******* while ******* ***** territory, but I doubt Amare took it that far.