WVU (Smith) vs Syracuse (Nassib) on ESPN

[HoodieBets]

ABSOLUTELY NOT ....as a season ticket holder I have seen him up close and personal. He consistantly throws behind receivers and a majority of his passes are short over the middle. You can watch all the games you want on tv but you really get a true perspective of his accuracy when you are there live......now that being said, I think he will "survive" (Josh McCown) In the NFL. He is smart and can read defenses but I dont think he is starting material. As a side note, My wife said "Nassib from Syracuse is projected to go to the NFL...WOW!..wouldnt have guessed it"

Since you have seen him more than anyone here what round do you think Nassib should be drafted?

 

[gamebird98]

As I stated earlier...I like the kid. I think the 3rd or 4th round would not be a big reach. He is smart and tough and can take a beating. He does do alot of "check down", which I credit his game savy (take what they give ya)...but as a NFL passing quarterback I think he has alot of work to do. I believe he can be productive in the right system, but not worthy of a high round pick. This all being said, I would welcome him into the nest....give him a few years to "learn the pro game" and then see what he has. Belive me when I say this...'I am not bashing the kid, he did a VERY nice job for C'use this year...I just dont see him as a high pick".

 

[kerouac9]

Seeing as you refrenced two things I said I guess Ill respond. Stat wise Kolb and Nassib are very similar they both comepleted roughly 61% in their college career and they are close in yards in their senior year. Both are 6'3 and around the same weight.

Kevin Kolbs pre draft scouting report...

Kolb is an intriguing sleeper at the quarterback position. Despite a phenomenal college career, he is still relatively unknown. That's simply the reality of playing at Houston. But Kolb made himself known to people who matter-such as NFL scouts-with an enormous senior season. Kolb threw 30 touchdowns to just four interceptions in leading Houston to a Liberty Bowl appearance, where he threw for 386 yards and three scores in a loss to South Carolina. That's great production, and Kolb has great potential. He has good size (6-3, 220 pounds) and arm strength and is a surprisingly adept runner considering his size. Kolb is a real threat to beat defenses with both his arm and his legs. Having been a four-year starter for the Cougars, Kolb clearly has necessary experience to step right in and be a serviceable backup. Kolb has to work on his accuracy and holding onto the football. There's also some suspicion that Kolb's results might have been the product of Houston's pass-happy spread offense. He will either be a late day one pick or early day two.

Ryan Nassib scouting report....

Ryan Nassib was a highly productive player at Syracuse and improved each year. Has adequate height and bulk for an NFL starter. He has slightly above avg arm strength. His mobility allows him to roll out and escape pressure and make plays down-field. He makes good decisions and has very good touch and accuracy on short and intermediate routes. His deep ball tends to hang up in the air a bit and causes receivers to stop routes and adjust to the ball. At times his mechanics are bit lacking. Overall He has the potential to be an NFL starter and could be drafted in the middle part of the draft. 4 th round. After a very productive year his stock seems to be on the rise.



Seems pretty similar to me.

They don't sound similar to me, at all. They're very different styles of players. The biggest difference is the thing that I highlighted, in that Kolb is much more of a West Coast scrambler who can tuck the ball and run, while Nassib doesn't look athletic at all. He'd go through read-option action yesterday and look ridiculous doing so.

 

[HoodieBets]

They don't sound similar to me, at all. They're very different styles of players. The biggest difference is the thing that I highlighted, in that Kolb is much more of a West Coast scrambler who can tuck the ball and run, while Nassib doesn't look athletic at all. He'd go through read-option action yesterday and look ridiculous doing so.

both in their senior year Kolb had about 30 more rushing yards don't see the big difference with the legs and Nassib had a better yards per attempt than Kolb. Kolb didn't run much at Houston except for his freshman year when he got over 300 yards.

Kolbs 40 time was 4.85 Nassib has been clocked at 4.86

 

[kerouac9]

both in their senior year Kolb had about 30 more rushing yards don't see the big difference with the legs and Nassib had a better yards per attempt than Kolb. Kolb didn't run much at Houston except for his freshman year when he got over 300 yards.

Kolbs 40 time was 4.85 Nassib has been clocked at 4.86

Well, whatever, buddy. I don't look at Ryan Nassib and see anyone like Kevin Kolb. I see a pocket passer.

Kolb had 333 rushes in his three years at Houston. Nassib has 216 the last three years. Just watch them play, and you see Kolb wandering all around the pocket and eager to roll out. Nassib sits back there and looks pretty uncomfortable on the move.

But keep comparing and contrasting the scouting reports, I guess.

 

[JeffGollin]

I don't think either Smith or Nassib can get us to the promised land (which, after all, is the whole point).

When checking out current or potential QB's - via trade, free agency or the draft, this should be our only criterion (Can he get us there)? Otherwise, why waste the time & energy?

 

[kerouac9]

I don't think either Smith or Nassib can get us to the promised land (which, after all, is the whole point).

When checking out current or potential QB's - via trade, free agency or the draft, this should be our only criterion (Can he get us there)? Otherwise, why waste the time & energy?

Because there have only been a handful of QBs who have been able to get ANYONE to the "promised land" in the last decade: Eli Manning, Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers, Ben Roethlisberger, Drew Brees, and Tom Brady have been responsible for how many Lombardi Trophies in a row? 15?

If we're not going to get one of those guys (and we won't), then why not just continue to start Ryan Lindley?

 

[JeffGollin]

Because there have only been a handful of QBs who have been able to get ANYONE to the "promised land" in the last decade: Eli Manning, Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers, Ben Roethlisberger, Drew Brees, and Tom Brady have been responsible for how many Lombardi Trophies in a row? 15?

If we're not going to get one of those guys (and we won't), then why not just continue to start Ryan Lindley?

Because you try. (& in many cases, you still won't uncover the right guy, but you try anyway). But what you don't do is waste time, energy, money, players or roster spots on any QB you don't think can eventually deliver the goods.

Every QB you think can take you all the way obviously won't do so, but at least you're giving yourself a chance. But to waste roster spots on QB's who you, heart of heart, don't think can at least take you to the playoffs is at best fooling yourself and at worst, just going thru the motions as a HC, GM or owner.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

if you watched him play at all you would know what you are saying is completely untrue. The dude chucks the ball downfield when the option is there for him. His deep ball is one of his best qualities please go on YouTube and watch his games from this year. He has the most accurate long ball in college football hands down.

You're right I have never seen him play before yesterday. smh.

I guess me, and others, are not alone in our opinion of Smith's performance yesterday.
Here's an excerpt from CBS sportsline draft guy, Rob Rang:

Smith's statistics weren't bad (16-for-24 for 187 yards, two TDs/0 INTs), but they were significantly inflated by three big plays to Stedman Bailey that, after closer review, weren't as impressive in reality as they are in print.
Each of the first two completions, good for 32 yards (and a touchdown) and 59 yards, respectively, came off of quick screens in which Smith soft-tossed the ball just a few yards. Smith threw what looked like a well-placed deep ball down the left sideline to Bailey for a 29-yard touchdown in the third quarter, but the throw was made easier when the Syracuse defender covering Bailey lost his footing, leaving the WVU pass catcher alone for the uncontested reception. Other than those three plays, Smith completed 13 passes for a total of 67 yards in the final game that he'll play for West Virginia.

Here's some more on Smith:

Texas Tech provided the blueprint for shutting down the mighty West Virginia offense a week later, however, by pressuring Smith early and limiting the run-after-catch ability of Bailey and his teammate Tavon Austin. The Mountaineers would lose their next four games and, as it turns out, six of their final eight.

 

[HoodieBets]

You're right I have never seen him play before yesterday. smh.

I guess me, and others, are not alone in our opinion of Smith's performance yesterday.
Here's an excerpt from CBS sportsline draft guy, Rob Rang:

Smith's statistics weren't bad (16-for-24 for 187 yards, two TDs/0 INTs), but they were significantly inflated by three big plays to Stedman Bailey that, after closer review, weren't as impressive in reality as they are in print.
Each of the first two completions, good for 32 yards (and a touchdown) and 59 yards, respectively, came off of quick screens in which Smith soft-tossed the ball just a few yards. Smith threw what looked like a well-placed deep ball down the left sideline to Bailey for a 29-yard touchdown in the third quarter, but the throw was made easier when the Syracuse defender covering Bailey lost his footing, leaving the WVU pass catcher alone for the uncontested reception. Other than those three plays, Smith completed 13 passes for a total of 67 yards in the final game that he'll play for West Virginia.

Here's some more on Smith:

Texas Tech provided the blueprint for shutting down the mighty West Virginia offense a week later, however, by pressuring Smith early and limiting the run-after-catch ability of Bailey and his teammate Tavon Austin. The Mountaineers would lose their next four games and, as it turns out, six of their final eight.

So one game and you are saying he is dink and dunk smh....like I said read the scouting reports on how he has the most accurate deep ball in college. Here is a report on it

http://www.footballnation.com/content/geno-smith-2013-nfl-draft-strengths-and-weaknesses/19590/

and this one from earlier this year

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/...l-its-all-there-for-the-taking-for-geno-smith

 

[HoodieBets]

heres a video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fExtmD5yUQY

Listen to the commentators

 

[kerouac9]

Because you try. (& in many cases, you still won't uncover the right guy, but you try anyway). But what you don't do is waste time, energy, money, players or roster spots on any QB you don't think can eventually deliver the goods.

Every QB you think can take you all the way obviously won't do so, but at least you're giving yourself a chance. But to waste roster spots on QB's who you, heart of heart, don't think can at least take you to the playoffs is at best fooling yourself and at worst, just going thru the motions as a HC, GM or owner.

But if none of those guys are out there (nice, subtle moving the goal posts and re-defining "promised land" as "winning the division"), then do you just go back out with Ryan Lindley and Brian Hoyer?

When you have the worst starting quarterback situation in the NFL, you don't get to be choosy between whether someone will be able to win you 11 games or not. You have to do everything you can to upgrade, because even a guy who can complete 60% of his passes and 7.0 YPA is going to get this team in playoff contention through Week 17.

 

[HoodieBets]

Heres some highlights of his deep balls too, if i knew how to embed the videos I would sorry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRPIhK3S8Sg

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

heres a video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fExtmD5yUQY

Listen to the commentators

Watch the rest of the game. There's a thread on here somewhere about Smith vs. Lsu

I commented earlier the Smith had 1 nice deep throw in the 2nd half of that game. Glad you could find the 1 deep throw and use that as the defnining statement of Smith.

Btw, just as a point for the future, using Kirk Herbtsreit as a reference tends to hurt your argument rather than support it. The guy's a clown and ESPN shill.

 

[Southpaw]

The Kansas City Chiefs, with the first selection in the 2013 NFL Draft select....

Geno Smith.

 

[HoodieBets]

The Kansas City Chiefs, with the first selection in the 2013 NFL Draft select....

Geno Smith.

The fan base might riot if they dont. They are on the edge. I heard piolli is staying now though and he wants a OL.

 

[Southpaw]

The fan base might riot if they dont. They are on the edge. I heard piolli is staying now though and he wants a OL.

So......... with the #2 pick in the 2013 NFL Draft the Jacksonville Jaguars select Geno Smith...

but of course they are the only team willing to pick up Tebow after the Jets jettison Timmy.

Then it looks like Oakland. philadelphia, Detroit, Cleveland

After that he could actually drop to Arizona.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

The fan base might riot if they dont. They are on the edge. I heard piolli is staying now though and he wants a OL.

That would be a good pick if it's Joeckel.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

The Kansas City Chiefs, with the first selection in the 2013 NFL Draft select....

Geno Smith.

I hope so. But Matt Barkley would make me happier.

 

[overseascardfan]

The fan base might riot if they dont. They are on the edge. I heard piolli is staying now though and he wants a OL.

I don't see why, unless they plan on losing Albert. Eric Winston is their RT and he is still relatively young at 29. I think they will really try and trade down.

 

[HoodieBets]

I don't see why, unless they plan on losing Albert. Eric Winston is their RT and he is still relatively young at 29. I think they will really try and trade down.

Good idea but who the hell would want to trade up and who would anyone trade up for?

 

[Brian in Mesa]

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[Mulli]

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Gross!

 

[overseascardfan]

Good idea but who the hell would want to trade up and who would anyone trade up for?

Maybe a team really wants Jarvis Jones or Luke Joeckel enough to jump ahead of teams to land them.

 

[PACardsFan]

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Syracuse did, in fact, disembowel them!!