Yahoo Sports | Whisenhunt's job is safe

[sundevil04]

The bidwonts have 5.5 million reasons to pretend he should stay. We've all been around long enough to know what their excuses will sound like. Worst owners in sports history. Same ol crudinals

 

[DemsMyBoys]

Worst owners in sports history

No, that would be Georgia Frontier, IMHO. Were it not for Kurt Warner she'd have destroyed a franchise in much less time than it took her.

L.A. Rams fans chanted "Geor-gia *****! Geor-gia *****!" at the games. Then it was repeated with the name of the GM. The passion of the hate for her in L.A. would be hard to duplicate. If Cardinals fans have yelled, "**** you!" at Mr. Bidwill when he's on the sidelines, I'll change my opinion. Otherwise....

 

[Jetstream Green]

I know I'm in the minority but I think that's the right move. I hope it's true.

I agree with you that Whis should stay but my conviction to it is not steadfast and would not be down if they axed Whisenhunt. The main thing is that Graves is gone and the GM role attains more power in wresting it away from the head coach in player moves. I hope that the franchise is ready to offer Horton an insane pay raise, that needs to be done to show him how important he is. I would offer him a higher salary than most head coaches due to the work he has accomplished with the D.

 

[sundevil04]

I'd love to hear a chant of "same old cardinals" at the games to get our point across to the Bidwonts

 

[Chopper0080]

I know I'm in the minority but I think that's the right move. I hope it's true.

Yes. Give more power to the front office, and put a man in charge who has scouting and personnel experience. Great move.

Whis may yet end up failing but moving Graves to another position and putting a more football savvy GM in place strengthens the front office long term.

 

[NJCardFan]

I know I'm in the minority but I think that's the right move. I hope it's true.

When we go 4-12 next year I want you to come back here and tell us why this was such a great move.

 

[NJCardFan]

I am not ready to fire Whiz yet. Nobody could win with what we have at QB and oline. Changes need to be make in other areas for sure.

One more year with Whiz.

And who brought these sub par QB's in, me? You Whiz apologists like to believe him a victim here. No, with the exception of Dockett, Fitz, and A-Dub, this team is handpicked by Whiz. You can't sit there and tell me that all of those ex-Steelers in was all Graves. It is Whiz who failed to even give the o-line a cursory look. It's Whiz who brought in Derrick Anderson, Max Hall, John Skelton, Ryan Lindley, Richard Bartel, etc. It's no coincidence that this team had it's greatest success when the team was filled with players who were here before Whiz got here.

 

[D-Dogg]

Stupid.

Another year of the suck, here we come.

 

[vinnymac]

And who brought these sub par QB's in, me? You Whiz apologists like to believe him a victim here. No, with the exception of Dockett, Fitz, and A-Dub, this team is handpicked by Whiz. You can't sit there and tell me that all of those ex-Steelers in was all Graves. It is Whiz who failed to even give the o-line a cursory look. It's Whiz who brought in Derrick Anderson, Max Hall, John Skelton, Ryan Lindley, Richard Bartel, etc. It's no coincidence that this team had it's greatest success when the team was filled with players who were here before Whiz got here.

I believe KW has a voice in who to bring in but not the final say. Why wouldn't you bring in former players that know your system already. It makes sense to do so. Every Head Coach brings in players they have coaches before. Some work out some don't.

 

[binkar]

Replacing Graves... with a guy who Graves brought in and has been part of this debacle for 6 years... just doesn't instill a lot of confidence in me.

after 3 years of relative crap, the organization needs FRESH eyes.

Completely agree. I just don't have confidence in any current member of our front office to judge talent. I guess my only hope is that maybe Keim had continuously wanted different players than Graves but was overruled, and now looks like a genius cause the players he really wanted are succeeding elsewhere. That's pretty farfetched though.

Also, as I believed Bickley mentioned, it's problematic to make someone inferior all of the sudden their superior. I'm fine with Whiz remaining as coach, but I want the vast majority of his roster authority removed and I struggle to see that happening with the promotion of Keim.

I'd hope that the team would at least take the opportunity to interview outside candidates before settling on Keim as opposed to just immediately promoting him. That would be discouraging.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

When we go 4-12 next year I want you to come back here and tell us why this was such a great move.

as long as you do the same when the record improves.

 

[Stout]

When we go 4-12 next year I want you to come back here and tell us why this was such a great move.

What makes anyone think, even if all of their prerequisites are met (new GM, less power for KW, different assistants), that KW will do a good job developing a new QB going forward?

 

[Stronso]

Stupid.

Another year of the suck, here we come.

load up on the alcohol and alka seltzer

 

[Dr. Jones]

Heh, nice catch.

Only way that keeping Whiz makes sense is under the following conditions:

1. He loses final say in personnel

2. Graves is gone

3. a REAL offensive coordinator is brought in

4. Horton remains DC. We can't afford to have him leave because there are NOT ample replacements available to come in and run his defense. NONE.

This is close for me.....

1. Loses personnel control
2. Graves is gone, Keim replaces him.
3. Forced to fire Grimm & Miller.
4. Whiz & Keim hire an OC. Preferably one with some serious credentials.
5. Horton promoted to Assistant HC and given big raise. Given free reign on defense.

 

[clif]

Of course it's safe. Until they get annihilated on Sunday.

 

[NJCardFan]

as long as you do the same when the record improves.

6-10 doesn't count as an improvement.

 

[THESMEL]

It is not that simple- The new Executive is hired and trhen He makes the decision on who stays and who goes from HC to the last guy on the opractice squad!

Whether Whiz stays or not depends alot upon Whiz - I think he is a stubborn old iron nutted coach. and I like that at times, but not the way he treats players and gets the worst out of them.

 

[Snakester]

Its time to get rid of the garbage. Whiz and the entire offensive coaching staff. Demote Graves to just doing contracts and bring in a real GM that will have the balls to make some real changes to the team.

 

[imaCafan]

Would a real GM be allowed to make those changes if it were $$$$$$$$ expensive?

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

I'm fine with keeping Whiz as long as there's a real GM in place to make the decision on what to do with him and take over personnel decisions. Don't think Keim is that guy however. All I really want is someone that can choose a f'ing NFL-caliber QB.

And FWIW - Jeff Fisher went through a 5-11, 4-12, 8-8 stretch in Tennessee. How many of those who want Whiz fired would cream their shorts for him to be our coach?

 

[kerouac9]

I'm fine with keeping Whiz as long as there's a real GM in place to make the decision on what to do with him and take over personnel decisions. Don't think Keim is that guy however. All I really want is someone that can choose a f'ing NFL-caliber QB.

And FWIW - Jeff Fisher went through a 5-11, 4-12, 8-8 stretch in Tennessee. How many of those who want Whiz fired would cream their shorts for him to be our coach?

The same Jeff Fisher whose Rams are 7-7-1 right now with essentially the same crew who earned the #2 overall pick in the NFL draft last year? Yeah, Fisher's to blame for a planned cap reboot where they still remained competitive. It was probably Fisher holding the Titans back. Mike Munchak has really brought the best out of that unit.

Keeping Whis is probably the best available choice right now. I don't think that Whis the Head Coach is the problem; Whis the Personnel Man is the greater one. If Whis would prefer to keep the latter power at the expense of the former, he'll be fired. Hopefully he's realized that he's about as good at picking personnel as Larry Fitzgerald is.

 

[CtCardinals78]

6-10 doesn't count as an improvement.

I'll take it one step further and I'll gladly eat crow for the following comment this time next year if I'm wrong:

If Ken Whisenhunt returns to coach the Cardinals in 2013 they will be one of the three worst teams in the NFL, like 2-14 or 3-13 bad.

 

[DemsMyBoys]

Hopefully he's realized that he's about as good at picking personnel as Larry Fitzgerald is.

I doubt anyone told Larry he could pick a QB. My guess is he may have figured out (or even been shown) a list of names. Who knows who was on that list? Kolb could have been the best of the lot of mediocre players the Bidwills were willing to pay for and Larry voiced an opinion on who he wanted.

They were willing to let Kurt go to SF to try and get the big bucks. They are NOT going to go looking for a great QB. They had one and almost let him go. They repeated it this year with the injuries. Where was the effort to bring someone good in when our QB started going down like pins in a bowling alley?

 

[LDL]

Yep, if this is how it plays out I would be down:

1. Keim elevated, Graves doing the Sherman Hemsley
2. Whizzy loses personel final say, Grimmer and Miller given the boot
3. Horton's pot sweetened
4. OC hired and Whizzy told to stay the hell out of it

 

[sundevil04]

So if we have a GM tht tells Wiz to stay out of all personnel decisions and a DC in Horton who runs the D to his liking and an OC who tells Wiz to stay out of the offense... What's Wiz do? I don't see any point in paying someone 5.5 mil a year to stay out of everything