You are allowed three moves...

[Mitch]

Mitch, saying that Peterson is not a great tackler would be like saying the Patriots needed to trade Brady in his prime because he is not a noted scrambler, come on man

Jetstream---let me ask you (and everyone who gives PP a pass on tackling) this, since you bring up the Patriots---do you think Bill Belichick (who is as good a coach of DBs as any coach ever, imo) tell his CBs it's ok not to tackle, that it's more the safeties' job? Or any other top DC or HC for that matter? Do you think BB gives any of his CBs a pass? Football is a team game---when you start to treat some players differently is when you start to lose.

BTW---has anyone ever questioned Brady's toughness and all-out effort to win, whatever it takes?

It's not that PP can't tackle---go back and watch his tapes at LSU. It's that he quite frequently won't.

 

[WildBB]

I agree that the Cardinals need to get much tougher and get some hard nosed Gruden Grinders in here. That's why I enjoy watching Marcus play. Sometimes some mixed results, but never lacking effort. Want to see him get the opportunity to develop his full game as well. I think switching him to the middle could pay dividends. But so far I like him on the edge more than what Reddick has shown.

I hope they plan on keeping a few of their own vets who have shown up in games this season, and some youth in FA for a change.

I think with all the draft picks they should be active in moving up early in the draft or make a (sign) and trade.

This coming off season is crucial to the future and I do see some changes coming.

 

[OmahaCardsFan]

If PP were surrounded by better (and more willing) tacklers it might be a moot point. We need him at times. It's his lack of effort in that area that at times makes him and the team look soft. That perception needs to change.

Check these stats for CBs in their first 7 seasons:

Patrick Peterson: 313 tackles, 21 ints.

Dion Sanders: 303 tackles, 32 ints.

Richard Sherman: 367 tackles, 32 ints.

Darelle Revis: 352 tackles, 21 ints.

Aeneas Williams: 412 tackles, 38 ints.

Man, maybe we were just so spoiled with Aeneas. He did it all. Great blitzer too.

I’d take Rhodes over PP any day. Watch how he executes his tackling. I agree Mitch! How can you be a defensive player and not Have superior tackling skill on a pro def? PP is a one trick pony but the trick is pretty good one to have on your team. Never the less you need 11 physical tacklers. Watch PP have 0 interest in tackling on The goal line in the Texans game. the RB just walks in. Rhodes would have stuffed that dude.

 

[Ohcrap75]

Seems like a few us started drinking a bit early today after reading this thread

 

[Finito]

Jetstream---let me ask you (and everyone who gives PP a pass on tackling) this, since you bring up the Patriots---do you think Bill Belichick (who is as good a coach of DBs as any coach ever, imo) tell his CBs it's ok not to tackle, that it's more the safeties' job? Or any other top DC or HC for that matter? Do you think BB gives any of his CBs a pass? Football is a team game---when you start to treat some players differently is when you start to lose.

BTW---has anyone ever questioned Brady's toughness and all-out effort to win, whatever it takes?

It's not that PP can't tackle---go back and watch his tapes at LSU. It's that he quite frequently won't.

Lol. BB brought in Randy Freaking Moss for Christ sakes. Moss would flat out tell you Nope not going over the middle that's not what I do. Moss avoided all physical contact at all cost and that's fine.

Have you ever heard Jimmy Johnsons story about how to deal with players. If a third string lineman falls asleep in the video room I cut him to make an example if Mike Irving falls asleep I say hey Mike wake up need a cup coffee?

The fact you think these coaches treat everyone the exact same is cute.

 

[AZ Native]

1. Fire Jones
2. Fire Bettcher
3. Acquire QBOTF

 

[pmacLean]

If PP were surrounded by better (and more willing) tacklers it might be a moot point. We need him at times. It's his lack of effort in that area that at times makes him and the team look soft. That perception needs to change.

Check these stats for CBs in their first 7 seasons:

Patrick Peterson: 313 tackles, 21 ints.

Dion Sanders: 303 tackles, 32 ints.

Richard Sherman: 367 tackles, 32 ints.

Darelle Revis: 352 tackles, 21 ints.

Aeneas Williams: 412 tackles, 38 ints.

Man, maybe we were just so spoiled with Aeneas. He did it all. Great blitzer too.

Please note the Revis/Peterson numbers... PP doesn't (and neither does Revis) have Int number slike the rest BECAUSE THEY RARELY THROW HIS WAY... that is worth a ton, right there.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Jetstream---let me ask you (and everyone who gives PP a pass on tackling) this, since you bring up the Patriots---do you think Bill Belichick (who is as good a coach of DBs as any coach ever, imo) tell his CBs it's ok not to tackle, that it's more the safeties' job? Or any other top DC or HC for that matter? Do you think BB gives any of his CBs a pass? Football is a team game---when you start to treat some players differently is when you start to lose.

BTW---has anyone ever questioned Brady's toughness and all-out effort to win, whatever it takes?

It's not that PP can't tackle---go back and watch his tapes at LSU. It's that he quite frequently won't.

313 tackles is what you listed for Peterson, which says though he does not tackle as much as others, he still does tackle which again would amount to the scrambling yards of Brady who still might on occasion but he's not exactly Barry Sanders but that is not his focus. Peterson's priority of his position is to stop the pass and Brady's is to pass and not run. As far as saying Belichick, I see that name in unison with Brady, meaning his position of guru and the Patriots being Front Office geniuses is highly inflated because it's a QB driven league and guess who they have, and again thank you for Chandler Jones while Brady allows you to drop a majority of your draft picks who never make the team now till the golden boy is no longer there. Yes, I stand by my assertion on Peterson and I will also say I really do not care about his approach to returning a punt when placed there as indicative of why our special teams suck, that I reserve for Amos, while I am not seeing Peterson have great returns... or the last three on your list of 'great' tacklers who where less equipped to return a punt than Peterson

 

[AZCrazy]

Who on this team is untouchable? Keeping your good players is a nice idea if you want to get better. The only answers are David Johnson and Patrick Peterson. Larry too, except his career thread is near its end. Everyone else is average. I guess keep Chandler Jones too.

 

[WildBB]

Please note the Revis/Peterson numbers... PP doesn't (and neither does Revis) have Int number slike the rest BECAUSE THEY RARELY THROW HIS WAY... that is worth a ton, right there.

Not last week in Houston. They picked on him plenty. Season before Julio had a huge game against him. He has his share of getting abused. But the whole D has taken a step back overall this season. Mathieu has not shown up much either. No longer the game changer he needed to be.

 

[pemory09]

Let's say that you are allowed three moves in the franchise while the rest would stay the same according to the moves of the Front Office of the Cardinals, what would they be?

I would do the following:

1) Bettcher fired as DC and replace him
2) Amos fired as STC and replace him
3) The 1984 white on white uniforms become a alternate

Please, please, please bring back the 1984 white unis. They were sweet.

 

[Cheesebeef]

1. Go back in time and draft Suggs
2. Go back in time and draft AP
3. Go back in time and get Santonio Holmes so coked out of his mind the night before the Super Bowl that he totally over-sleeps and misses the entire game.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

PP should not be traded. He's to the defense what Larry is to the offense. Teams don't get better by trading away their best players.
Also, why would the Browns even want Peterson? They're not close to winning anything.

 

[Southpaw]

Hire Peyton manning to run the on field organization. VP football operations.
Give Peyton complete power to retool
Go visit Mike leach a la Bill Belechick ( yes he consults Mike ) and blueprint copycat Patriots Business model

PS . Give Manning a piece of the pie ( 10 % )

 

[Mitch]

Hire Peyton manning to run the on field organization. VP football operations.
Give Peyton complete power to retool
Go visit Mike leach a la Bill Belechick ( yes he consults Mike ) and blueprint copycat Patriots Business model

PS . Give Manning a piece of the pie ( 10 % )

Chicken parm you taste so good...

 

[Chopper0080]

Not last week in Houston. They picked on him plenty. Season before Julio had a huge game against him. He has his share of getting abused. But the whole D has taken a step back overall this season. Mathieu has not shown up much either. No longer the game changer he needed to be.

Yeah, those three catches he allowed were really an issue...they totally took advantage of him for like 70 yards...what are you watching?

 

[don7031]

1) Fire BA and staff. I like Arians, but he's lost the team.

2) Hire an injury consultant. Year after year injuries derail this team. Injuries are going to happen, but every possible step should be taken to prevent them.

3) Overhaul the collegiate scouting department. The Cardinals have not drafted an elite player in the first couple rounds since Patrick Peterson way back in 2011.

 

[Mitch]

PP should not be traded. He's to the defense what Larry is to the offense. Teams don't get better by trading away their best players.
Also, why would the Browns even want Peterson? They're not close to winning anything.

I would love to think that PP is to the defense to what Larry is to the offense...but there's a huge difference here. Larry does the dirty work (blocking his butt off in the box at the constant risk of getting rolled up on from behind and with his RACs running through tacklers) and he is tough as nails. PP plays in a tuxedo and leaves the dirty work (tackling, blowing up screens, taking on blocks) to others.

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

1. Sign Kirk Cousins in off-season
2. Replace Arians with Shurmur or Patricia
3. Trade for Michael Crabtree

 

[cardpa]

He's a cornerback I don't expect my corners to be amazing tacklers that falls on D lineman, linebackers and safety's before CB's.
I would expect every player on defense to be willing to tackle.

You also don't put your stud CB returning punts just like you don't put your stud WR returning punts. Your begging for an injury.
The Steelers run A. Brown out there to return punts on a regular basis, KC uses Hill,

 

[RON_IN_OC]

1) Fire BA and staff. I like Arians, but he's lost the team.

2) Hire an injury consultant. Year after year injuries derail this team. Injuries are going to happen, but every possible step should be taken to prevent them.

3) Overhaul the collegiate scouting department. The Cardinals have not drafted an elite player in the first couple rounds since Patrick Peterson way back in 2011.

Cheaper than hiring that consultant.

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[cardncubfan]

I would love to think that PP is to the defense to what Larry is to the offense...but there's a huge difference here. Larry does the dirty work (blocking his butt off in the box at the constant risk of getting rolled up on from behind and with his RACs running through tacklers) and he is tough as nails. PP plays in a tuxedo and leaves the dirty work (tackling, blowing up screens, taking on blocks) to others.

http://www.azcardinals.com/videos/v...Peterson/8fa446d8-acbb-4956-96dc-b3190432431e

 

[JeffGollin]

Overhaul 100% of OL (players and coach)

Overpay for top #2 CB.

Replace Amos

 

[TJ]

2. Trade CB Patrick Peterson and the 2018 1st round pick to the Browns to draft QB Lamar Jackson at #1. Plus, Cardinals get the Browns' 4th round pick.

Which would be the first time that the Browns got the upper hand in a trade

 

[Passepartout]

1. Clean House with the Coaching Staff
2. Draft a QB of high calibur and high character
3. Draft a RB if Johnson not coming back to Cardinals.