You are allowed three moves...

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

1. Clean House with the Coaching Staff
2. Draft a QB of high calibur and high character
3. Draft a RB if Johnson not coming back to Cardinals.

Why would DJ not comeback?

 

[Mitch]

Which would be the first time that the Browns got the upper hand in a trade

And the first time the Cardinals draft the top rated QB on the board. Drafting the QBOF is this important.

 

[NJCardFan]

1. Hire Pat Shurmer as HC.
2. Trade CB Patrick Peterson and the 2018 1st round pick to the Browns to draft QB Lamar Jackson at #1. Plus, Cardinals get the Browns' 4th round pick.
3. Sign UFA CB Xavier Rhodes.

What about Shurmur's record qualifies him as a viable head coach?

 

[NJCardFan]

Please note the Revis/Peterson numbers... PP doesn't (and neither does Revis) have Int number slike the rest BECAUSE THEY RARELY THROW HIS WAY... that is worth a ton, right there.

What does that tell you though? That they do that out of respect or that the other DB's are so terrible that there's no need to throw PP's way?

 

[RugbyMuffin]

1.

He's a cornerback I don't expect my corners to be amazing tacklers that falls on D lineman, linebackers and safety's before CB's.

You also don't put your stud CB returning punts just like you don't put your stud WR returning punts. Your begging for an injury.

This guy is a legit hall of famer for us a day 1 Cardinal who has lived up to the hype in everyway possible. I hope he retires here

Dude your reaching. Just let...it...go

Agreed.

Peterson always has good numbers when it comes to tackling.

Same goes for his punt return numbers.

You go to NFL.com, look at the numbers, and Peterson's tackles and punt return numbers are right where you need them to be for the NFL.

Then you bring in that he is one of, if not the top cover corner in the league.

What makes Peterson special is his athletic talent. He can lost a step or two and still be a factor. I would even argue that at some point he can play center field for this team, regardless of the system that would be implemented at the time.

Peterson is 27, in his prime, and one of the best players in the league. Just because a poster on a message board has a opinion about the guy based doesn't mean he is right.

Its the NFL, these are professionals, its not a highschool football team, no matter how much people want it to work that way.

To each his own, but I have heard the argument against, and it is pretty damn weak, and full of pure speculation. Not to mention there are blatant false statements, and borderline "fake news" mentality.

If some had their way here, anyone making over 10 million a year would be shown the door.

-Chandler Jones
-Patrick Peterson
-Larry Fitzgerald

Really ? REALLY?

Those are the problems? I do know, sounds like people are just looking for the easy targets to me.

Find another thing to pine about.

JMHO.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

That's why I enjoy watching Marcus play.

Watch out.

The argument made against why Marcus Golden is bad, is he is undisciplined and over pursues and gives up plays.

Just go back and look at the board. He was going to get run out of town too.

Standard procedure. Golden played well, and there were people on this board ready to run him out of town.

But, since he is hurt and he can be speculated upon, now the convenient truth goes the other way, and he is great.



That all being said, Golden is a great player across from Chandler Jones. Just look at the defense last year, when they took over games. Teams didn't know what to do. Golden was great when playing on the field, and he is the same guy now as he was when playing.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Lol. BB brought in Randy Freaking Moss for Christ sakes. Moss would flat out tell you Nope not going over the middle that's not what I do. Moss avoided all physical contact at all cost and that's fine

Its the Patriots. It doesn't count.

That would be the ultimate, on going, convenient truth.

Its all wrong, unless the Pats to the same thing, then it is 100% right. Just matters where the wind is blowing that day.

I mean Chandler Jones was great for the Patriots, just up till he was traded to this team. Then he was a malcontent, a problem, and the Patriots "pulled one" on the Cardinals.

If it were not for Joe Thuney, the trade would have been the Cardinals gain over the Pats, and because Thuney is a pretty damn good guard in this league, I would say it breaks even.

Do all these thread have to turn into:

- Patrick Peterson Sucks
- Cardinals Sucks
- We wish the Cardinals were the Patriots ?

 

[RugbyMuffin]

313 tackles is what you listed for Peterson, which says though he does not tackle as much as others,

I posted Peterson's tackling stats before, and I was told those stats from NFL.com were "bloated numbers" so using those stats do not work when making a pro-Peterson argument, only when against him.

Just a FYI.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

1. Go back in time and draft Suggs
2. Go back in time and draft AP
3a. Go back in time and get Santonio Holmes so coked out of his mind the night before the Super Bowl that he totally over-sleeps and misses the entire game.
3b. Put Michael Adams on the rack before the Superbowl, and stretch him out another 2" and he knocks that pass down.

Bam!

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Peterson takes away the opponents top receiving about every game. I could care less how many tackles he has.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Not last week in Houston. They picked on him plenty. Season before Julio had a huge game against him. He has his share of getting abused.

Is there any other cornerback in this league that you hold to that level ? Cause if the answer is no, then think about the statement you made above.

DeAndre Hopkins is one of the best receivers in the league, the other guys get paid too.

Given those standards. Why are we celebrating the Patriots magnificence today on our board when they are not shutting out every team, every game, and scoring 50 pts, every game ? I mean, come on, those Patriots gotta show more heart out there.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Peterson takes away the opponents top receiving about every game. I could care less how many tackles he has.

I also have a novel idea, actually more than one. Reddick finishing off a tackle on a QB, the whole DL getting at least some pressure, the rest of the secondary fulfilling their assignments which is hard to decipher when Bettcher is your DC doing some kind of strange "is it man or just a soft zone, I don't know?, nor do the players?" routine, seeing a blitz come up the gut instead a six mile loop around the outside of the pocket during rush hour, Bucannon and Mathieu actually being 'back' or playing in a scheme which can confirm this observation or not. You know, putting the focus on why people are scoring on the Cardinals or more importantly why we cannot get off the freaking field on third down which always seems like some kind of prevent defense with the cushion being the first down marker.

Maybe, stop having to think to myself why does it have to be Karlos Dansby being the only guy who seems to know what the hell is going on but past his prime to act as a Cardinal fan. Why is Bethel allowed on the field, what does this accomplish except letting one know in the photos the other team was playing the Cardinals because he is always there in the photo when the catch is made. So far, the only guys on this defense which have any worth are Chandler Jones, Pierre, Peters, Budda and Peterson (oh, also Tramon Williams if you want an indication how deficient the other players are)... so is the altitude on my soap box with a Cardinal red nose bleed while people want to single out Peterson for not doing the job of people up front

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[Mitch]

There are reasons why Patrick Peterson is only 8th in CB Pro Bowl votes this year and why his CB ranking on PFF is #25.

Peterson has struggled in zones---which the Cardinals are playing more of---and his effort in shedding blocks and making tackles is minimal.

Another part of the problem is---his mouth.

When he says he's the best in the game and goes as far as saying he thinks he's the #1 player in the NFL, people look even closer at his game to see if he's backing it up. And when one looks closer at Patrick Peterson's game, it becomes readily clear that he is nowhere close to being the #1 player in the game because he doesn't take pride in all of the aspects of his job as a CB.

On the flip side---look at Fitz.

Do we ever hear Fitz say he's the best WR in the game? Does Fitz ever shy away from doing the dirty work? He takes pride in every aspect of his job, especially the ones he's not crazy about. That's why he's a pro's pro. Fitz leaves it all out on the field. Amazing that at his age that this year he is near the top of Pro Bowl votes at WR.

 

[cardncubfan]

I also have a novel idea, actually more than one. Reddick finishing off a tackle on a QB, the whole DL getting at least some pressure, the rest of the secondary fulfilling their assignments which is hard to decipher when Bettcher is your DC doing some kind of strange "is it man or just a soft zone, I don't know?, nor do the players?" routine, seeing a blitz come up the gut instead a six mile loop around the outside of the pocket during rush hour, Bucannon and Mathieu actually being 'back' or playing in a scheme which can confirm this observation or not. You know, putting the focus on why people are scoring on the Cardinals or more importantly why we cannot get off the freaking field on third down which always seems like some kind of prevent defense with the cushion being the first down marker.

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“It was a Cover 2 and man-to-man mixed together. I got my eyes on (wideout DeAndre Hopkins). If he comes past seven yards, it turns into man-to-man. If he goes anywhere under seven yards, it’s pretty much a Cover 2 for me, knowing I’ve got Budda (Baker) inside. So I can pretty much play aggressive.”


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[cardncubfan]

There are reasons why Patrick Peterson is only 8th in CB Pro Bowl votes this year and why his CB ranking on PFF is #25.

Peterson has struggled in zones---which the Cardinals are playing more of---and his effort in shedding blocks and making tackles is minimal.

Another part of the problem is---his mouth.

When he says he's the best in the game and goes as far as saying he thinks he's the #1 player in the NFL, people look even closer at his game to see if he's backing it up. And when one looks closer at Patrick Peterson's game, it becomes readily clear that he is nowhere close to being the #1 player in the game because he doesn't take pride in all of the aspects of his job as a CB.

On the flip side---look at Fitz.

Do we ever hear Fitz say he's the best WR in the game? Does Fitz ever shy away from doing the dirty work? He takes pride in every aspect of his job, especially the ones he's not crazy about. That's why he's a pro's pro. Fitz leaves it all out on the field. Amazing that at his age that this year he is near the top of Pro Bowl votes at WR.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...erback-rankings-desmond-trufant-reenters-list

 

[TJ]

There are reasons why Patrick Peterson is only 8th in CB Pro Bowl votes this year and why his CB ranking on PFF is #25.

Peterson has struggled in zones---which the Cardinals are playing more of---and his effort in shedding blocks and making tackles is minimal.

Another part of the problem is---his mouth.

When he says he's the best in the game and goes as far as saying he thinks he's the #1 player in the NFL, people look even closer at his game to see if he's backing it up. And when one looks closer at Patrick Peterson's game, it becomes readily clear that he is nowhere close to being the #1 player in the game because he doesn't take pride in all of the aspects of his job as a CB.

On the flip side---look at Fitz.

Do we ever hear Fitz say he's the best WR in the game? Does Fitz ever shy away from doing the dirty work? He takes pride in every aspect of his job, especially the ones he's not crazy about. That's why he's a pro's pro. Fitz leaves it all out on the field. Amazing that at his age that this year he is near the top of Pro Bowl votes at WR.

This is lunacy at its finest.

First, PFF uses very subjective metrics in its evaluations. I’ve looked on their rankings and have seen players I’ve never heard of in the Top-10 at their positions.

Peterson’s job is to minimize, or completely eliminate, the production of the other team’s #1 receiver, and without questions, he does it better than anyone in the NFL. Very rarely does he make mistakes.

Your critiques of him can only be construed as nitpicking. Having a grandiose personality as a CB is about as common as a truck driver being rough around the edges. I’m fine with him not being the best tackler on the field. I’d rather that than him getting shredded like Bethel et al.

Peterson is about to earn his 7th pro bowl in 7 years, which is remarkable for any player at any position. If you can’t learn to appreciate the value that Peterson brings to this team, then I’m not sure what to tell you.

 

[gmabel830]

1. Hire Pat Shurmer as HC.
2. Trade CB Patrick Peterson and the 2018 1st round pick to the Browns to draft QB Lamar Jackson at #1. Plus, Cardinals get the Browns' 4th round pick.
3. Sign UFA CB Xavier Rhodes.

I just.....

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[Jetstream Green]

There are reasons why Patrick Peterson is only 8th in CB Pro Bowl votes this year and why his CB ranking on PFF is #25.

Peterson has struggled in zones---which the Cardinals are playing more of---and his effort in shedding blocks and making tackles is minimal.

Another part of the problem is---his mouth.

When he says he's the best in the game and goes as far as saying he thinks he's the #1 player in the NFL, people look even closer at his game to see if he's backing it up. And when one looks closer at Patrick Peterson's game, it becomes readily clear that he is nowhere close to being the #1 player in the game because he doesn't take pride in all of the aspects of his job as a CB.

On the flip side---look at Fitz.

Do we ever hear Fitz say he's the best WR in the game? Does Fitz ever shy away from doing the dirty work? He takes pride in every aspect of his job, especially the ones he's not crazy about. That's why he's a pro's pro. Fitz leaves it all out on the field. Amazing that at his age that this year he is near the top of Pro Bowl votes at WR.

All I know is this. I think of Peterson being the top corner in the league and you at least still feel he has elite value but does not have the physical play you value which for me still does not make trading him to move up to number one smart because the number one pick is not a known commodity in their prime. When you draft there is no a sure thing, but we can say we got it right with Peterson playing to the level of a number one pick. I would rather trade two number one picks of the 'what if' then trade a player who I know we got right as a franchise. The conditions, luck and scouting have to be pristine for a QB drafted to succeed. I would say one has a 40% shot of getting it right and with those percentages, it would be a huge blow to goof on the QB pick and lose Peterson in the process. I would gladly offer two number ones to play the high stake poker game and draft our guy at the QB position, but not with past earnings when I can offer currency which I do not know will amount to hard cash or monopoly money

 

[Mitch]

All I know is this. I think of Peterson being the top corner in the league and you at least still feel he has elite value but does not have the physical play you value which for me still does not make trading him to move up to number one smart because the number one pick is not a known commodity in their prime. When you draft there is no a sure thing, but we can say we got it right with Peterson playing to the level of a number one pick. I would rather trade two number one picks of the 'what if' then trade a player who I know we got right as a franchise. The conditions, luck and scouting have to be pristine for a QB drafted to succeed. I would say one has a 40% shot of getting it right and with those percentages, it would be a huge blow to goof on the QB pick and lose Peterson in the process. I would gladly offer two number ones to play the high stake poker game and draft our guy at the QB position, but not with past earnings when I can offer currency which I do not know will amount to hard cash or monopoly money

Good point, JG. If it only takes 2 1st rounders to trade up to #1, then I completely agree with you. I was thinking it would take more.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Bam!

Ralph Brown

 

[Jetstream Green]

Good point, JG. If it only takes 2 1st rounders to trade up to #1, then I completely agree with you. I was thinking it would take more.

Well, if we really want to talk crazy, there is really only one player which we might trade in our condition and that is David Johnson. Again, I would never do this but he is the only player we could trade with the least amount of damage to our future since running backs have a limited shelf life and easier to acquire to fulfill the position. No, we would not probably find a better one, or rather a special one like DJ, but he is more easily replaced than Peterson no matter PP's flaws in my opinion... though I would still rather part with two firsts and a third and change than either two

 

[pmacLean]

Not last week in Houston. They picked on him plenty. Season before Julio had a huge game against him. He has his share of getting abused. But the whole D has taken a step back overall this season. Mathieu has not shown up much either. No longer the game changer he needed to be.

I agree Badger is done. as far as PP goes, the QB this season who decided to pick on PP's side is TOM SAVAGE... the guy who makes defensive backfields quake in their boots... if that translates into everybody picking on PP (and succeeding) then you have an argument ... otherwise, if they still avoid him , you don't. I suspect, they won't and you don't. But time will tell.

 

[pmacLean]

What does that tell you though? That they do that out of respect or that the other DB's are so terrible that there's no need to throw PP's way?

WHO CARES ? ... If no one throws his way (while constantly man up against the other teams best WR) then that is a win, if they go constantly against the other side and we can't stop it then that is FAIL by the front office for NOT getting a decent CB to pair with PP, it's NOT a PP fail. Your point only condemns the organization, not PP.

 

[pmacLean]

There are reasons why Patrick Peterson is only 8th in CB Pro Bowl votes this year and why his CB ranking on PFF is #25.

Peterson has struggled in zones---which the Cardinals are playing more of---and his effort in shedding blocks and making tackles is minimal.


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PP may have struggled in zones, only because the ENTIRE D struggles in zones. This backfield was NOT built to play zone (and we don't have a single coach that could get them competent at it). This backfield was assembled to man-up and shut it down.
Just because we have a totally incompetent DC who is way over his head and drowning and grasping at straws and is TOO STUPID too use the defense that was assembled for him and too gutless to win or lose on man-up defenses that this team was built to perform, is NO reason to crap on PP.

You are starting to lose credibility here. Crap on Bettcher, crap on Goodwin, crap on Arians and Keim, but when you start crapping on one of our VERY few stellar players, you are displaying that you are an idiot or have some weird axe to grind. Either way, you are inches from being regarded as a crank and your opinions irrelevant.

 

[AZfaninMN]

I agree Badger is done. as far as PP goes, the QB this season who decided to pick on PP's side is TOM SAVAGE... the guy who makes defensive backfields quake in their boots... if that translates into everybody picking on PP (and succeeding) then you have an argument ... otherwise, if they still avoid him , you don't. I suspect, they won't and you don't. But time will tell.

I have the Sunday ticket and Deandre Hopkins is on my fantasy team so I’ve watched a fair amount of Houston games.(also have fuller) What I’ve seen from savage and Watson is both will force the ball into Hopkins even when he’s not open and covered by the best. They actively try to get him the ball every game. He leads the nfl in OPI because of it, but is also one of the tops in catches yards TDs and targets. It’s not a knock on PP and he hasn’t lost a step. It’s 2 heavyweights going at it and each landed a couple of punches. He held him under 100 yards and got an int so I’d call it a majority draw