You Good? (with how Suns are operating)

[SirStefan32]

I am somewhere between "Very good" and "I don't know, man" options. I have not experienced this before. I start to have some concerns (trading young talent for aging vets, trading draft picks, etc) but then I remind myself that the Suns have and owner who has money and is not afraid to spend it, which is something they have never had. I really don't know if I am concerned because there is something to be concerned about or because this is something we have not experienced before.

 

[Hoop Head]

I am somewhere between "Very good" and "I don't know, man" options. I have not experienced this before. I start to have some concerns (trading young talent for aging vets, trading draft picks, etc) but then I remind myself that the Suns have and owner who has money and is not afraid to spend it, which is something they have never had. I really don't know if I am concerned because there is something to be concerned about or because this is something we have not experienced before.

I'd add that spending doesn't equal quality. The owners main advisor, Isiah Thomas, spent a fortune on the early 2000 Knicks and struggled to make the playoffs. So while it's nice to see an owner not afraid to write checks, those checks will eventually clear and there is no guarantee spending will equal success.

I'm much more optimistic now with Beal though than I was when prior to that trade. The heist we pulled off made up for being shaken down by Brooklyn. When you look at the deals together, we basically paid fair value if it were a 3+ team deal where we land KD and Beal plus Goodwin for Cam, Mikal, CP3, Shamet, and our 1sts and 2nds.

 

[95pro]

I'd add that spending doesn't equal quality. The owners main advisor, Isiah Thomas, spent a fortune on the early 2000 Knicks and struggled to make the playoffs. So while it's nice to see an owner not afraid to write checks, those checks will eventually clear and there is no guarantee spending will equal success.

I'm much more optimistic now with Beal though than I was when prior to that trade. The heist we pulled off made up for being shaken down by Brooklyn. When you look at the deals together, we basically paid fair value if it were a 3+ team deal where we land KD and Beal plus Goodwin for Cam, Mikal, CP3, Shamet, and our 1sts and 2nds.

That’s a good point about IT and his previous spending habits. As long as it’s not his money.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I'd add that spending doesn't equal quality. The owners main advisor, Isiah Thomas, spent a fortune on the early 2000 Knicks and struggled to make the playoffs. So while it's nice to see an owner not afraid to write checks, those checks will eventually clear and there is no guarantee spending will equal success.

I'm much more optimistic now with Beal though than I was when prior to that trade. The heist we pulled off made up for being shaken down by Brooklyn. When you look at the deals together, we basically paid fair value if it were a 3+ team deal where we land KD and Beal plus Goodwin for Cam, Mikal, CP3, Shamet, and our 1sts and 2nds.

To be fair, Thomas wasn't spending money on players the caliber of Kevin Durant and Bradley Beal.

And Thomas' draft record was VERY good. He almost always found contributors.

 

[Phrazbit]

To be fair, Thomas wasn't spending money on players the caliber of Kevin Durant and Bradley Beal.

And Thomas' draft record was VERY good. He almost always found contributors.

Thomas rarely did much drafting as he gave away the majority of the Knicks picks for expensive players drenched in red flags.

He was a truly horrible GM.

 

[CardNots]

Staying pat hoping for a different outcome is boring. This team going forward is anything but boring. Feeling of the colangelo days. I’m totally enjoying now.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Staying pat hoping for a different outcome is boring. This team going forward is anything but boring. Feeling of the colangelo days. I’m totally enjoying now.

When have we stayed pat? We've churned our roster so many times, year in and out for a decade plus that it's a wonder any of those guys even know who they're playing with. What we need to do and what we've needed to do, was make the right moves, not just make moves. And I'm pretty sure we've made a lot more moves during the Sarver era than the Colangelo period, it's just that so many of them were the wrong move and often for the wrong reason.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Thomas rarely did much drafting as he gave away the majority of the Knicks picks for expensive players drenched in red flags.

He was a truly horrible GM.

Turns out Isiah Thomas Was Sort of a Good GM, According to New Study

Piling on Isiah Thomas is something of a national pastime, but we may have judged him too hastily. A new study from ESPN used John Hollinger's Estimated Wins Added measure to determine ...

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[GatorAZ]

Thomas rarely did much drafting as he gave away the majority of the Knicks picks for expensive players drenched in red flags.

He was a truly horrible GM.

You mean you weren’t a fan of Stephen Marbury, Steve Francis and Jamal Crawford starting together?

 

[Phrazbit]

Turns out Isiah Thomas Was Sort of a Good GM, According to New Study

Piling on Isiah Thomas is something of a national pastime, but we may have judged him too hastily. A new study from ESPN used John Hollinger's Estimated Wins Added measure to determine ...

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I don't know that landing David Lee and Wilson Chandler make up for trading 2 top 5 picks for the likes of Eddy Curry. His trades were famously terrible.

By the time he was done in New York the Knicks had the most expensive roster in basketball while also being the worst team in the league. That is one helluva achievement.

Hiring Isiah Thomas is the worst a team can do

Since ending his Hall of Fame playing career, Isiah Thomas has failed at every level of basketball in every job he has had. He just got hired again.

www.sbnation.com

He's basically destroyed everything he has gotten involved with since he retired as a player.

I hope Ishbia filters any advice Isiah gives him through several other people.

 

[elindholm]

Thomas rarely did much drafting as he gave away the majority of the Knicks picks for expensive players drenched in red flags.

I hate it when that happens.

 

[95pro]

I hate it when that happens.

Wow I guess it’s been done again

 

[LA Redbird]

100% good. Franchise is, what, 55 years old? Zero rings. Been a fan since 90-91. Enough. No guarantees, but we got a dude at the helm that is absolutely cooking. So let him cook.