You know you want this!

[Nasser22]

Wow, that like 13 and a half cents a day, you'll be rolling in it

For someone without a job, saving over 100 bucks and 50 after that is pretty good.

 

[azsouthendzone]

It's just good to not hear you bashing the Wii anymore.

The Wii has games and fun games at that. Games that you can only experience on the Wii. The 360 has a hidef, online experience, and games that you can't get anywhere else. The PS3 is an expensive piece of crap with bad ports of 360 games, no Gears of War or Halo, and really nothing to offer anyone. I will admit that as the days pass it is quite fun to watch its slow death. Sony has been resting on the success of the PS1 for a decade and has't brought anything new to the consumer, and its about time they got punched in the teeth. While Microsoft, Nintendo, and even Sega with the Dreamcast where working on innovations, Sony brought us the bare bones PS2. They have had how many years to develop this machine and this is all they could bring? I think its hilarious no one except Nasser and his buddies are buying them. I remember seeing 20 at Walmart in mid-December before Christmas, with an empty cabinet of 360s and Wiis. The guy working there said they couldnt give them away. Not much has changed.

 

[azsouthendzone]

For someone without a job, saving over 100 bucks and 50 after that is pretty good.

Dude, you are 100 in the hole just by buying the PS3. And since the PS3 has no catalog of games, you will be paying 60 bucks minimum for every 360 copied PS3 game that comes out. Its funny that they had a big release day for Rainbow 6 Vegas and Fight Night 3 a year after 360 owners were playing it. What will they release next? FIFA World Cup 2006? There is no GTA3 to save this one. This console is DOA. Save your receipt for the price cut.

 

[Nasser22]

So if you take away Gears and Halo, don't use Xbox Live at all, would you still take the Xbox? What other exclusive games does that Xbox have besides M rated shooters?

 

[azsouthendzone]

So if you take away Gears and Halo, don't use Xbox Live at all, would you still take the Xbox? What other exclusive games does that Xbox have besides M rated shooters?

Xbox live, which is worth 7 bucks a month, 30, or 50 a year or whatever you want to price it at kills anything the PS3 can offer. It also has a year's worth of games that the PS3 will never, ever have. Can you play World Series of Poker with a tournament of over 20 people, with full voice and video of every player, with digitally captured faces of each player on the PS3? We know the answer. Point is that the PS3 is overpriced for a console that doesn't offer anything additional as a gaming console. The current games are weak. Exclusives will be minimal. It isn't a gaming console at all really. It is a Blu-Ray player wrapped in a gaming console. It is obvious Sony used the machine as a way to sell Blu-Ray and gaming was an afterthought. If thats what someone buys it for, it makes more sense than saying "i can play NBA 2k7 on it."

 

[Nasser22]

You still didn't answer my question. If you take away Gears and Halo and online gaming is is better and what other good exclusive titles besides rated M shooters does it have? The only way I can play online is wirelessly and I'm not spending over 100 bucks the first year to get live so can you answer my first question and not keep talking about how amazing live is please?

 

[azsouthendzone]

You still didn't answer my question. If you take away Gears and Halo and online gaming is is better and what other good exclusive titles besides rated M shooters does it have? The only way I can play online is wirelessly and I'm not spending over 100 bucks the first year to get live so can you answer my first question and not keep talking about how amazing live is please?

You already did spend over 100 bucks the first year to play online wirelessly by buying the PS3 so quit comparing prices and throwing out dollar figures, not to mention the "I'm so poor" attitude of someone who is buying a freaking PS3. People with no money don't play next-gen video games and they don't purchase the most expensive console on the market. You brought up online play of the PS3, which is terrible, so Xbox Live is extremely relevant whether you want to admit it or not when talking about which console is better. As far as exclusives, why are you eliminating Halo and Gears? That's a rediculous arguement to say, "take out the console's best games and then tell me what they have." As for your list..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Xbox_360_games

 

[Nasser22]

Because I won't be able to get those as long as I live with my parents. My mom went through a war as a kid and doesn't want me buying Gears or Halo so I won't be able to get those games anyway. That's why. Yeah, besides those types of games there's not really any exclusive titles that would get me to buy the Xbox. The only thing that would make me want an Xbox is if Madden becomes an exclusive Xbox game.

And with the PS3, the bluray and wireless net is connected when I'd have to buy add-ons for the Xbox and it's just not worth it. I've made my choice.

 

[azsouthendzone]

I've made my choice.

And you will have to live with it. Good luck with the trade credit when you take it to EB Games.

My 1000th post on ASFN is about the stinkin' PS3? What a let down!

 

[JS22]

I'm going to get one when I can find it for under $400.

I've been keeping an eye on Craigslist for a PS3. You can actually find a few 20gb versions for $300-400. I even saw a 60gb version for $250 yesterday. It HAD to be stolen or something.

BTW, how was your Craigslist experience? I've been thinking of selling a few things around here, but don't like the idea of meeting some random person in a parking lot.

 

[azsouthendzone]

I've been keeping an eye on Craigslist for a PS3. You can actually find a few 20gb versions for $300-400. I even saw a 60gb version for $250 yesterday. It HAD to be stolen or something.

BTW, how was your Craigslist experience? I've been thinking of selling a few things around here, but don't like the idea of meeting some random person in a parking lot.

I haven't sold a GD thing on there. Real disappointment for me.

 

[JS22]

The Wii isn't better, it's just so much cheaper than both systems so many people buy it as a 2nd system. And also some of the many, many Asian Nintendo addicts, like my friends, would bye it. Nintendo won't ever be better than Xbox and Playstation. It's always fun to play Mario though I guess, but I would never choose it over a PS3. It's not the Gamecube or worse, it's the 2nd best system out there and not by a huge amount.


Again: PS3 has/will have better graphics, I'll get the same games for both, I save money every year(never played online so anything is a plus), most of my friends have it so I can play online with them, has the bluray player...there's no reason for me to get an Xbox 360. PS3 is better for me and it's not far behind the Xbox either. It's really not that overpriced at all, the $600 one is, but you pretty much get what you need for $500.

So I don't care if the 360 is a little better, because it is. I know the PS3 is the best thing for me to get right now until 6 years from now when they bring out new systems.

Hate to burst your bubble on the graphics thing:
http://www.gamespot.com/features/6162742/

 

[Nasser22]

I did hear right now the 360 does have better graphics, but the PS3's games should have better graphics in the future. I heard something about it only using 30% of it's power right now so we'll see once the PS3 has been out for around 2 years.

 

[JS22]

Actually it is about 10 million consoles sold ahead and available games aren't close. To say it is far ahead is an understatement. The future of the 360 and Wii are bright. The soon to die PS3 is the only console currently in the news for punchlines, disappointment and failure. Read the links about the great and powerful PS3. People losing jobs, Sony losing out on games, and this could be the first and only year for Madden on the console. Good luck with it.

http://news.punchjump.com/article.php?id=4295

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/01/25/soft-ps3-sales-spell-trouble-for-ea-others/

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=25381

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/8535775c-13...l&_i_referer=http://news.google.com/news?um=1

http://www.videobusiness.com/article/CA6446484.html

http://news.filefront.com/negative-sales-may-exclude-ps3-from-multi-platform-games/

A buddy of mine just picked up a PS3 and I've been thinking of selling my 360 and grabbing a cheap PS3. I love my 360, but the hardware reliability scares me a bit. (His ate his discs, and my roomates just red ringed.) Mine has been flawless since December, though. And I just picked up Forza which is fun as hell.

Your post is making me think twice. I honestly can't justify the switch aside from the hardware issue.

 

[JS22]

You still didn't answer my question. If you take away Gears and Halo and online gaming is is better and what other good exclusive titles besides rated M shooters does it have? The only way I can play online is wirelessly and I'm not spending over 100 bucks the first year to get live so can you answer my first question and not keep talking about how amazing live is please?

He keeps talking about how amazing live is because, well, it's amazing. I've seen the PS3 online and it's a complete joke compared to XBL.

And don't forget. If you have an HDTV you'll have to spend money on an HD (component or HDMI) cable since it's not included. Also, the PS3 doesn't come with a headset for online play. So there's ANOTHER added cost.

Now, I'm not saying that the PS3 is horrible - because it's not. I'd love to get one cheap for the Blueray player and a couple of PS3 exclusives. Now that I think of it, it may be a year from now. It gives me ample time to make sure that it doesn't go the way of the Dreamcast. The 360 is far and away the better gaming system at the moment.

 

[azsouthendzone]

A buddy of mine just picked up a PS3 and I've been thinking of selling my 360 and grabbing a cheap PS3. I love my 360, but the hardware reliability scares me a bit. (His ate his discs, and my roomates just red ringed.) Mine has been flawless since December, though. And I just picked up Forza which is fun as hell.

Your post is making me think twice. I honestly can't justify the switch aside from the hardware issue.

My machine red ringed last October and I was ultra pissed, but I went through the process, they gave me a new machine for free and 3 games and the system has been flawless since. I think that was a major problem at launch but it seems to have passed. With the new warranty its not as big of an issue. Download some HD DVD and Blu-Ray ripped HD Windows Media files off newsgroup sites and the machine is even better, not that I would know, I've just heard you can do that.....

 

[JS22]

My machine red ringed last October and I was ultra pissed, but I went through the process, they gave me a new machine for free and 3 games and the system has been flawless since. I think that was a major problem at launch but it seems to have passed. With the new warranty its not as big of an issue. Download some HD DVD and Blu-Ray ripped HD Windows Media files off newsgroup sites and the machine is even better, not that I would know, I've just heard you can do that.....

Of course.

I've got a media center PC hooked directly to my HDTV so I don't have a use for the 360 media center.

You've heard of Transcode360, right? You can convert and stream most any format on the fly to be compatible with the 360. Pretty nifty tool: http://runtime360.com/projects/transcode-360/

The more I think about it, the more I'm glad I didn't sell my 360. So many good games. Maybe I can justify the PS3 in a year after the price inevitably drops. (Which means I can find a used one on the cheap.) I want to play Gran Turismo 5, the MGS series, and maybe the Final Fantasy series. Plus a blue-ray player built in never hurts.

But at the moment the 360 absolutely kills the PS3 in the one category that counts: number of quality games available.

 

[azsouthendzone]

Heck yeah. The 360 does so many things now and its amazing how many things it will eventually be capable of.

 

[thirty-two]

Nasser, it sounds like you really think the PS3 is what is right for you. Don't worry about all these guys giving you a hard time. You know YOU.

 

[Gee!]

If I ever bought a PS3 or 360 I would buy the PS3 just for the simple fact I hate the 360 controllers.. I know stupid reason, but thats the way Ive always been about video games.. Plus I dont play them enough to really give a crap what does what.. I just want a good controller lol..

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Can I ask what 3 pages of a 31 year old ripping on a 17 year old for his decision to buy a game system has anything to do with the "For Sale" forum?

Seriously knock it off.

Nasser buy whatever is right for you.

 

[Ryanwb]

You can buy a year card of Xbox live for about $30. You shouldn't game wirelessly anyway. The amount of packet loss you get with wireless, while gaming, is not suitable. For casual web browsing, sure, but not gaming.

now that isn't a correct statement. If you know what your doing in setting up your network you shouldn't see any difference in a wired/wireless configuration. I game on a wireless network all the time and I never have any problems.

A wireless network doesn't lose packets

 

[dreamcastrocks]

now that isn't a correct statement. If you know what your doing in setting up your network you shouldn't see any difference in a wired/wireless configuration. I game on a wireless network all the time and I never have any problems.

A wireless network doesn't lose packets

Not true. Almost every wireless network has packet loss. The acceptable range of packet loss is 1-2%. Some FPS games and others can be affected by a 2% packet loss.

If you have plenty of repeaters, and do not have any interference, etc you can come close to 0 packet loss.

 

[Ryanwb]

Not true. Almost every wireless network has packet loss. The acceptable range of packet loss is 1-2%. Some FPS games and others can be affected by a 2% packet loss.

If you have plenty of repeaters, and do not have any interference, etc you can come close to 0 packet loss.

what are you taking about? I'm sorry but i have my CCNA and have a bachelors degree IT so I think i understand this pretty well. My first question would be, why would you need a repeater in a home network? You are only going to see packet loss if you have a hardware issue, interference or a degrade in signal. You do not get default packet loss in a wireless network. I just ran a ICMP connection test to my wireless router for 10 minutes, guess what? 0% packet loss.

TCP can repair packet loss but you are going to see a latency issue, UDP ignores errors, most games operate on both protocols. Bottom line: if you're seeing packet loss it's an environmental issue and it's something you are doing wrong. obviously a wired network is going to be superior because you can get interference from somebody running the microwave but there is not a set percentage of packet loss

 

[Ryanwb]

According to this we're both wrong

http://www.techworld.com/mobility/features/index.cfm?featureid=2969

Error is small but non-zero The error condition requires the PLCP header to be corrupted in a specific way, without altering the parity bit, and then for that error to cause a condition beyond the capability of the retransmion mechanism - which adds up to a small probability. "It's extremely small, around .001 percent, but it's never zero," Veriwave chief technology officer Tom Alexander told Unstrung. "That's not what the protocol says; the loss should be zero."

.001 percent is so small you should never see it affect your game, only voice transmitions.