You May Witness a Draft First...I Kid You Not!

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Smart organizations like the Patriots have already realized that drafting at the top of the NFL Draft is a more-often a bane rather than a boon. The salaries that the top ten players in the draft are commanding are simply ludicrous and they are cap killers. Look, for example, how the Larry Fitzgerald contract situation has handicapped the Cardinals. Fortunately, the Cardinals were able to re-sign Fitz this year to a deal that gave them immediate help on their cap, but the Cards will face some tough decisions with him in the years ahead.

Case in Point: The Patriots sitting at #7. They didn't want to pay a great CB in their system, Assante Samuel (who was a 3rd round pick), big bucks beyond a franchise tag year. Do you really think they want to fork out $40M on whomever falls to them at #7 in this year's draft? They do not. Which is why they desperately want to trade out of that spot. The problem is that the one player they could get action on is QB Matt Ryan, if Atlanta doesn't take him at #3. The team picking ahead of the Patriots at #6, the NY Jets (of all people), could nix whatever trade anyone else would make to take Ryan at #6, by taking Ryan there. Rumors are that the Jets like Ryan a lot and would be willing to snag him at #6 if he is available. That would leave the Patriots in a serious quandry because it is highly unlikely that any team would trade with them to move up to #7.

Here's the gist...and this could be an all-time first in the NFL...if NO team is willing to trade up to #7 in the draft, we could actually sit in disbelief as the Patriots elect to let the clock run out and the next team make the pick and this could happen pick after pick until the Patriots are ready to pick a player at a spot where they are willing to pay him what the spot commands.

This will call into play what the rules are in the draft ...does a team have the right to pass and jump back in where they want, when they want? How long can they pass?

Here's where this draft is crazy....beyond T Jake Long, DE Chris Long, DT Glenn Dorsey, RB Darren McFadden and QB Matt Ryan...this draft is a crap shoot. And all the teams know it. Eeven McFadden as a top 5 pick has been questioned by not only Mike Mayock of NFL Network, but by NFL scouts in general.

The reality is...in this year's draft...no player is worth the $40M someone is going to have to shell out for the #7 pick.

Do any of you really think that CBs Mike Jenkins, Dom R-C, Aqib Talib or even Antoine Cason are legitimate first round picks? The reality is that none of them are. The only CB in this draft worthy of a first round pick is Leondis McKelvin...he's the only one who could play LCB...the others are more apt to be RCBs...what does that tell you?

Yet the prognosticators have all of these guys going in the first round. That's because the real value in this draft, as it is in most drafts, is in Rounds 2-5, period.

The Cardinals at #16, should do everything in their power to do what all the other teams beyond #5 or #6 want to do...move down. The Cards may have one thing in their favor at #16...there are 4 quarterbacks teams are coveting: Ryan, Brohm, Henne and Flacco. Teams won't mind paying a QB first round money if he become their franchise QB. At #16 the phone may ring from someone who wants one of these 4 QBs. If that's the case, the Cardinals should do everything they can to cash in on a deal, even if it means moving out of the first round altogether.

The thing is...if you look at tape...and you want a CB...beyond Leodis McKelvin, who, IMO, is head and a shoulders above the rest because of his skills and his technique...there's a guy named Tyvon Branch out of CT who is every bit as fast and talented as any of the other CBs in this draft...and you could land him late in the second or early in the third. None of the corners in this draft past McKelvin can come in and start right away anyway. Branch has all the speed, quickness and skills you'd want...and most pundits have him ranked as the #10 or #11 CB.

It would not surprise me one bit to see the Patriots pass at #7, unless one of the top five falls to them. Stay tuned.
 
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Interesting, but not likely, I think. Interesting nonetheless.
 

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I heard this scenario during someone's mock. I wouldnt doubt it and it would be an excellent move.
 

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The problem is any agent worth his salt would promptly argue that regardless of where the player was picked, New England had the 7th pick and thus has the cap room to pay him like the 7th pick. The rookie cap slot is determined by what pick you have and as far as I know they don't reduce it if you keep passing.

There's just no way some agent is going to accept #12 money from a team who had the 7th pick and just passed 5 times IMHO, the kid would never sign.
 

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on "passing"

once your time is up -- the next team can pick, and subsequent picks can keep on coming --

while the teams behind you pick, you can run up there any time you want to submit the pick you passed on.

Remember the mad scramble with Minnesota passing -- and KC running its pick to the podium ahead of Minnesota (although it worked for the Vikes -- they ended up with Bryant McKinnie instead of Ryan Sims )

I have been thinking of the same thing-- only with a twist:

Dolphins decide they like three guys, but dont want to pay #1 overall money. They let the time expire, and pass to the Rams --

Rams feel the same way-- they like any one of three or four guys, and now definately dont want to pay #1 overall cash. They sit tight.

Now the Falcons are really feeling nervous. They like Matt Ryan, but not only would they have to pay him #1 overall money, but give him the QB premium as well. They sit tight and let time expire.

I would love to see it happen (kinda -- waiting 40 mins for no picks would be boring -- but the ESPN and NFL Network crews would be going crazy)......

food for thought
 
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Every mock I've seen has at least 4 corners going in the first round. You may not think they're 1st round material but compared to the rest of the field they are.
 

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on "passing"

once your time is up -- the next team can pick, and subsequent picks can keep on coming --

while the teams behind you pick, you can run up there any time you want to submit the pick you passed on.

Remember the mad scramble with Minnesota passing -- and KC running its pick to the podium ahead of Minnesota (although it worked for the Vikes -- they ended up with Bryant McKinnie instead of Ryan Sims )

I have been thinking of the same thing-- only with a twist:

Dolphins decide they like three guys, but dont want to pay #1 overall money. They let the time expire, and pass to the Rams --

Rams feel the same way-- they like any one of three or four guys, and now definately dont want to pay #1 overall cash. They sit tight.

Now the Falcons are really feeling nervous. They like Matt Ryan, but not only would they have to pay him #1 overall money, but give him the QB premium as well. They sit tight and let time expire.

I would love to see it happen (kinda -- waiting 40 mins for no picks would be boring -- but the ESPN and NFL Network crews would be going crazy)......

food for thought

The NFL should just change the rules to prevent a goofy scenario like that from happening. If you don't get your pick in on time, then you lose it. If the above were to ever take place, that is exactly what the NFL would do, IMO.
 

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I do not like the thought of moving up in this year's draft at all. However, I do agree that McKelvin is the stud of the CB class. He just might me worth trading up into that seventh spot. Imagine him and Breaston returning punts and kickoffs for us. That would be sweet.
 

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on "passing"

once your time is up -- the next team can pick, and subsequent picks can keep on coming --

while the teams behind you pick, you can run up there any time you want to submit the pick you passed on.

Remember the mad scramble with Minnesota passing -- and KC running its pick to the podium ahead of Minnesota (although it worked for the Vikes -- they ended up with Bryant McKinnie instead of Ryan Sims )

I have been thinking of the same thing-- only with a twist:

Dolphins decide they like three guys, but dont want to pay #1 overall money. They let the time expire, and pass to the Rams --

Rams feel the same way-- they like any one of three or four guys, and now definately dont want to pay #1 overall cash. They sit tight.

Now the Falcons are really feeling nervous. They like Matt Ryan, but not only would they have to pay him #1 overall money, but give him the QB premium as well. They sit tight and let time expire.

I would love to see it happen (kinda -- waiting 40 mins for no picks would be boring -- but the ESPN and NFL Network crews would be going crazy)......

food for thought

You stole my thinking. And what if more than one team passes? Let it happen, please.
 

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The Pats will find a sucker to trade their #7 to, no matter what happens with Ryan - who I do believe will go to the Jets...
 

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I do not like the thought of moving up in this year's draft at all. However, I do agree that McKelvin is the stud of the CB class. He just might me worth trading up into that seventh spot. Imagine him and Breaston returning punts and kickoffs for us. That would be sweet.

there is no glaring gap between the corners this year....there really is no stud, especially when you're talking about guys that played in the Sun Belt conference and D-IAA

of the major conferences, Talib and Jenkins have some character issues that have to be investigated

honestly, I've been warming to the idea of Cason over any of these guys, but would prefer it just not to be at 16
 

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the real problem is the money being paid to the top drafted players. The NFL needs to step in and limit the salary's of the top drafted players.
 

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I have no doubt that DRc and Jenkins are first round talents, and I think every scout out there would agree. Talib and Cason would cause some debate, but make no mistake there are 3 guys with the potential to be "Lock down" corners. Those guys make up 2/3 of that group.

The reason teams don't do this purposely is that it makes negotiations impossible with the player you let slide. Not to mention that, despite the $, letting talent come off the board top save a few bucks is not a smart way to improve your team. This just won't happen. We as fans sit here and thnk "player 10 to 25 are the same", but you better be sure teams have them ranked 10 to 25, not 10a, 10b, 10c, etc. Not to mention the grief from other GMs who's players now want to be payed like a pick taken a pick higher because of you waiting.
 

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there should be a cap on rookie salaries.

This is the biggest thing lacking in the last 2 CBAs. I think when the owners negate the CBA in November because of the high amount of revenue sharing, they will make this money back by convincing the union to slate rookies to make it more equitable.
 

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Smart organizations like the Patriots have already realized that drafting at the top of the NFL Draft is a more-often a bane rather than a boon.

Case in Point: How long can they pass?

The reality is...in this year's draft...no player is worth the $40M someone is going to have to shell out for the #7 pick.

It would not surprise me one bit to see the Patriots pass at #7, unless one of the top five falls to them. Stay tuned.

If they pass don't they HAVE TO make a pick the next time on the clock or forfeit the pick? That would seem only right. Even the Cheatriots can't get away with doing that!

The other thing is yeah the Jets would take Ryan just to keep the option open to trade down because I think they would just as much try to trade out with all the big contracts they doled out this signing season. And they definately don't want the Cheatriots trading out.
 

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If they pass don't they HAVE TO make a pick the next time on the clock or forfeit the pick? That would seem only right. quote]

That would make sense, but the Vikings got passed by a few times and still got to pick. They should've made a rule at the next owners meeting that year that you lose your pick if that happens. Otherwise, teams would be stupid not to just keep passing on their pick.

If it happens, the Pats can't be punished because there's no rule against it that I know of. But you better believe Goodell will implement one afterwards.
 

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If they pass don't they HAVE TO make a pick the next time on the clock or forfeit the pick? That would seem only right. quote]

That would make sense, but the Vikings got passed by a few times and still got to pick. They should've made a rule at the next owners meeting that year that you lose your pick if that happens. Otherwise, teams would be stupid not to just keep passing on their pick.

If it happens, the Pats can't be punished because there's no rule against it that I know of. But you better believe Goodell will implement one afterwards.

What if every team after the Patriots would refuse to pick until they made their pick. It would be the biggest cluster in history of the draft. :p How's that for a draft first.
 
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