You wanted Watson active? you got it (dan williams not suiting up)

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I probably could have made it clearer that I was saying I thought it ridiculous that the coaches, who haven't put a decent defense on the field in 4 seasons, were upset at young Dlinemen being out of shape.

Now, after watching the Raiders drive for a TD at the end of the first half and seeing a front 4 of Haggans, Dockett, Campbell, and Porter, even when the Raiders had first and goal at the Arizona 4 yard line and on 2nd and goal Paris Lenon is 7 yards off the los, I know the Cards defensive coaches have lost their minds.

Well the DC of Arizona is terrible at his job that has become very apparent. The sooner Whisenthunt realises that and gets someone better in the better.

I still think it was the right thing to do to bench Williams for going over his required weight as such discipline should be maintained throughout the team. Kent has just written that Williams was actually drafted with his good work ethic in mind so i dont think it will be long before Big Dan puts this weight issue behind him.
 

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Well the DC of Arizona is terrible at his job that has become very apparent. The sooner Whisenthunt realises that and gets someone better in the better.

I still think it was the right thing to do to bench Williams for going over his required weight as such discipline should be maintained throughout the team. Kent has just written that Williams was actually drafted with his good work ethic in mind so i dont think it will be long before Big Dan puts this weight issue behind him.

I sure hate to see that. I just watched some of the NFL rewind at the end of the 3rd and start of the 4th quarter and Big Dan looked really good.

He chased down the guy on the screen pass then stuffed McFadden for a 1 yard gain and then pushed the Raiders Olinemen backwards and got in on the jailbreak that caused Gradkowski to fumble. He went out for one play and McFadden ran for 7 yards. And not once did he get shoved back 3-4 yards like what happens routinely with Robinson.

Too bad the coaches haven't figured out how to keep Big Dan on the field.
 

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I sure hate to see that. I just watched some of the NFL rewind at the end of the 3rd and start of the 4th quarter and Big Dan looked really good.

He chased down the guy on the screen pass then stuffed McFadden for a 1 yard gain and then pushed the Raiders Olinemen backwards and got in on the jailbreak that caused Gradkowski to fumble. He went out for one play and McFadden ran for 7 yards. And not once did he get shoved back 3-4 yards like what happens routinely with Robinson.

Too bad the coaches haven't figured out how to keep Big Dan on the field.

He had a good game and his future here looks very good to me but i think it will prove to be for his own good down the line as it will serve as a wake up call. When he returns he should be fitter and have more in the tank during the game.
 

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He had a good game and his future here looks very good to me but i think it will prove to be for his own good down the line as it will serve as a wake up call. When he returns he should be fitter and have more in the tank during the game.

More indication that the Cards without Warner have already written off this season as a rebuilding year? We have a far superior talent but we're not going to play him because he gets winded? He's not a sprinter he's a NT. He's supposed to be big. Big guys get tired faster than small guys. Maybe not but it sure makes me wonder.

Something must be going on in practice because I just can't see any problem with the big guy in the games.

I like this better than benching him:

Big Dan plays first and 2nd down and then when its 3rd and 8 he comes out and Branch comes in. Then after the punt and the Cards 8 play 70 yard 5 minute TD drive a rested Big Dan comes in again on first down.

:koolaid:
 

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A look at the positive side of this: Gabe plays well and Robinson finally loses his starting job whenever Fat Dan returns.
 

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Gabe Watson better show up sunday, B-Rob has no business being on the field in a position that is supposed to anchor your defense. The sooner we can get a rotation of the two big boys the better, I'm sick of watching our run D get gouged on a routine basis. Hopefully Dan gets his act together and pleases Whiz enough to get back on the field, we need his fat ass in there (literally).
 

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The BEST of Billy-Ball, thus far this year:

1. The scheme of moving DRC to RCB to shut down that side (and avoid Toler being picked on relentlessly) and having Toler play aggressive underneath at LCB with a FS shaded to Toler's side giving help over the top.

2. The blitz schemes...not only on sure passing downs but on run blitzes on 2nd and long when the nickel package is in (the adjustment they made after the Rams were getting good yards rushing on 2nd and longs when the Cardinals were sending in their nickel packages early).

3. Using EVERYONE on blitzes...safeties, CBs, LBers...the opponents never know who is rushing and who is covering.

4. Improved coverage and safety play (credit Donnie Henderson).

5. Switching DRC over to LCB late in games to confuse the QBs and throw them off plan and balance.

6. Getting aggressive and productive play from Paris Lenon and Daryl Washington...in an area that appeared to be a major question mark.

7. Getting improved nickel and dime FS play from Matt Ware and Rashad Johnson.

The WORST of Billy-Ball thus far this year:

1. Players taking a game off versus the Falcons.

2. Veterans such as Wilson and Rhodes incurring stupid penalties...and acting petulant and out of control.

3. Starting a token player at NT when they have had ample time to develop beefier, stronger options in Williams and Watson. The worst of which is what teams have now been able to do to Darnell Dockett, vis-a-vis double and triple teaming him without any fear. In light of this as well, the coaches should start to move Dockett around like the Vikingns once did with John Randle...so the opponents won't know going into each play where Dockett will be and thus confusing the o-line's blocking assigments on each play...which can often lead to breakdowns and swift penetration for others in which to blow up plays for monster losses.

4. Taking the pedal off the medal on 4th downs...players stopping still in their pass rushes and cover men going into a fog. While the coaches weren't expecting DRC to be 8 yards away from his man on 4th down...or arm barring his man deep the next play, these situations have to be coached out in practice so these types of blown coverages don't happen. It's as much on the coaches as the players to have them well prepared.

5. Playing Haggans and Porter virtually the entire game...weakening them on passing downs to where they are not getting any serious pressure off the edge. At this rate---at their age---they are going to either get hurt or hit a wall. There has to be a rotation---especially so Porter can have his legs for when the team needs him most rushing the edge. The coaches have not been able to get much out of their depth, as Will Davis did not rush well in pre-season and Cody Brown, Stevie Baggs and Mark Washington were all cut. Waiver wire pickup, Cyril Obiozor wasn't an immediate answer either and is now on the PS. Will Alex Hall be a factor or just another deactivation?

6. Not developing a good 4 man rush. The talent is there this year...but again the 4 man rush has not been anywhere near effective as it should be.

7. Asking Adrian Wilson to cover good TEs...not only because he hasn't been able to do it for a few years now...but, technique-wise, reducing his ability to cover the TE by asking him to shadow him from behind...which as Zach Miller saw, all he had to do was wait until Wilson looked back and then go opposite of him, leaving him in no man's land. It would seem that more conventional press coverage with a player like Matt Ware...or more conventional three yard cushion and react to the ball coverage with Kerry Rhodes would be much more effective. Even an occasional double team may discourage the tight end over the middle passes. This week it's Antonio Gates...next week it's Jeremy Shockey (who beat Wilson on one good leg)...the following week John Carlson...and then Kellen Winslow, Jr. Will Davis find a way to shore up this issue?
 
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Mitch you missed one in your worst category. Using a front four of Haggans, Dockett, Campbell and Porter. The Raiders gouged that front for several long runs. The Cards are giving opposing offensive lines a 400lb advantage or more when they do that. Most surprising, even though the Raiders only gained 2 yards against it, was seeing it on 1st and goal from the Cards 4 yard line.

This of course goes back to your point number 3 and the main discussion here is what is wrong with what the Cards are doing that they haven't been able to develop Branch, Watson or Dan Williams to a point where they could hold down the NT position? To listen to some posters you would have to believe that the Cards simply have a knack for drafting lazy or undisciplined big men.
 
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I wanted to see Watson in the games, but this wasn't exactly what I had in mind!

:bang:

As it has already been well described within this thread, and others, there have been some peculiar personnel decisions this year.
 

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there have been some peculiar personnel decisions this year.

I don't see anything peculiar about this. In fact its about as cut and dry as it gets.
 

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I don't see anything peculiar about this. In fact its about as cut and dry as it gets.

Yeah first round draft picks get put onto the inactive list 3 weeks into the season all the time. And lots of teams complain their NTs are too big.

It may be cut and dried in your opinion but regardless it is still out of the ordinary as is Watson being inactive the first three weeks while Robinson is getting blown up.
 

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This is also peculiar.

From Urban:

XTRA’s Mike Jurecki is reporting rookie nose tackle Dan Williams didn’t make weight this week so he won’t play in San Diego. If so, it’s a lot easier to make such a call with veteran Gabe Watson – who has been a healthy scratch the first three games – champing at the bit to finally play. (Bryan Robinson is the starter, so we’re talking about a backup anyway). It’s a big moment for Watson, who you know doesn’t want to be one and done. And it’s an wake-up call for Williams, who was regarded as a nose tackle who wouldn’t have to fight such things as much as guys like Watson and Alan Branch have the past few years.

Urban who works for the Cards and talks to the coaches everyday and is in San Diego with the team didn't know anything about it and had to hear it from Jurecki?

Nothing at all on the Republic site either.

Was it April 1st instead of October 1st?
 

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This is also peculiar.

From Urban:



Urban who works for the Cards and talks to the coaches everyday and is in San Diego with the team didn't know anything about it and had to hear it from Jurecki?

Nothing at all on the Republic site either.

Was it April 1st instead of October 1st?

Urban isn't going to address anything potentially negative.
 

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I didn't have the stomach to read the whole thread (pun intended).

Two things:

1. I've never (ever) heard of a 3-4 NT being "too fat." These guys are supposed to be huge.

2. I can understand it from a cardio POV. If he's not able to pull his weight (this time it was unintended) in the rotation, then he's hurting the team, no matter how effective he is when he's in there.

JMHO
 
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I didn't have the stomach to read the whole thread (pun intended).

Two things:

1. I've never (ever) heard of a 3-4 NT being "too fat." These guys are supposed to be huge.

2. I can understand it from a cardio POV. If he's not able to pull his weight (this time it was unintended) in the rotation, then he'd hurting the team, no matter how effective he is when he's in there.

JMHO

Again you have to ask yourself that if Big Dan is so horribly out of shape what is a healthy Watson doing that is keeping him inactive. Maybe the coaches don't think that Robinson is as big a liability as the fans do?
 

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You know as well as I do that game is totally unpredictable. Texas is too young overall and too small on defense and is really weak on the offensive line.

I thought they had a good enough defense to make it while Gilbert got his Soph season out of the way but after the 2nd half vs UCLA I don't know?

However in the spirit of fun I will make a prediction: Greg Davis throws it sideways 40 times and runs the draw play the other 20 and OU wins 27-13.


:D

Hit that one fairly close to perfect. :sad:
 

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Why would drafting him in the first place be the real joke? Players, good and great players mind you, have never had a stumble their first years in the league? Fitz didn't come out gang busters, in fact he was always getting lambasted for his routes being lazy. Breaston has said he didn't take working out as serious as he should have his rookie year, and the list goes on and on. Lets see what the the kid does after the fact before we call anything a joke.

One stumbled in week 4 means the staff that drafted the kid is a joke????

And the team does not have plenty of say 24/7. They go to work then go home just like anyone else. The team has zero control over what a player does at home, if they did the league wouldn't be riddled with DUI's.

You are the one who called Dan Williams a joke.

Now suddenly it is one stumble in 4 weeks?

:bang:
 

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I sure hate to see that. I just watched some of the NFL rewind at the end of the 3rd and start of the 4th quarter and Big Dan looked really good.

He chased down the guy on the screen pass then stuffed McFadden for a 1 yard gain and then pushed the Raiders Olinemen backwards and got in on the jailbreak that caused Gradkowski to fumble. He went out for one play and McFadden ran for 7 yards. And not once did he get shoved back 3-4 yards like what happens routinely with Robinson.

Too bad the coaches haven't figured out how to keep Big Dan on the field.

Did the NFL Network replay the Cards Raiders game this week?
 

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Yeah first round draft picks get put onto the inactive list 3 weeks into the season all the time. And lots of teams complain their NTs are too big.

It may be cut and dried in your opinion but regardless it is still out of the ordinary as is Watson being inactive the first three weeks while Robinson is getting blown up.


To me "out of the ordinary" and "peculiar" arent the same. ;)
 

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To me "out of the ordinary" and "peculiar" arent the same. ;)

I figured you were into nit picking definitions of words in that instance.

Peculiar, curious, odd, unusual, strange, out of the ordinary. All the same to me.

:)
 

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Did the NFL Network replay the Cards Raiders game this week?

Don't know. I subscribed to NFL Rewind so I could watch the replays as soon as all the games were over Sunday. Best thing about it is you also get the games from 2009.

The video streaming isn't the best as it tends to lock up or not load at all at times but its worth $50 imo.
 
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