Young is entering the NFL draft

[Southpaw]

Vince will make one helluva slot receiver.

 

[Pariah]

OK....even if I give that Young is Steart II......I'd still take him. You act like Stewart was a slug his whole career....he took the Steelers to the AFC Title Game. Fitz and Q are more talented than Plax and Ward.

I don't think Stewart had those two, did he? Maybe Ward for a year?

 

[Duckjake]

I don't think Stewart had those two, did he? Maybe Ward for a year?

Ward was there for awhile starting with the 1998 season. Burress just at the end (2000). Both went over a 1000 in 2001 when Pitt was 13-3.

Stewart had 96 rushing attempts that season!

 

[Tashunca]

Vince would be an ideal QB to resurrect that style that Warren Moon used before he got to the Vikings. I forget what it was called.

 

[Zeno]

Vince would be an ideal QB to resurrect that style that Warren Moon used before he got to the Vikings. I forget what it was called.

Run & Shoot?

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Vince would be an ideal QB to resurrect that style that Warren Moon used before he got to the Vikings. I forget what it was called.

Run and shoot?

 

[Tashunca]

Run and shoot?

Thanks a lot, it was Run & Shoot.

 

[moklerman]

he took the Steelers to the AFC Title Game. Fitz and Q are more talented than Plax and Ward.

That's a highly debatable point. Yes, I agree that the team was 13-3 with Kordell at qb but Pittsburgh is loyal, sometimes to a fault, so if they gave up on him I think that there might be more to the picture than Kordell's record in one particular year. "Slash" was a great novelty and even a difference maker in his gadget role (Antwan Randel El?) but Pit gave him yeeears to grow into the qb position and it just didn't happen.

Now, imagine a similar scenario but the team is counting on him to be the guy not just hoping he'll be a nice compliment to the rest of the team. That's the scary part in my mind for whoever drafts him. Also, if you want to look at things in perspective, Neil O'Donnel had Pittsburgh in the Super Bowl--does that bump him up into a potential first round qb(rhetorical)?

Vince would be an ideal QB to resurrect that style that Warren Moon used before he got to the Vikings. I forget what it was called.

The run & shoot is a perfect example of why it's better (in my opinion) to stay away from "novelty" football. The league always catches up. I think that's probably why no one's tried to run that offense. I guess the GSOT Rams and current Colts could be seen as running a vatiation of the 4 & 5 wr sets that Houston used to run back then but Indy has such a strong running game that I don't know if I'd call it the same. The Rams have shown why you don't run that sort of thing in the NFL. Green, Warner (times 3), Martin (times 2) Bulger (times 3) Chandler, etc. Maybe a guy like Young could survive longer with his youth and mobility, but if the fastest qb to ever lace 'em up (Vick) has been injured twice then I don't have much hope for any running qb.

 

[Southpaw]

Thanks a lot, it was Run & Shoot.

Oh yeah. That was the " run and shoot offense" designed by Mouse Davis and Jerry Glanville that Jack Pardee brought from the Houston Gamblers of the USFL to the Houston Oilers of the NFL. Jim Kelly ran that thing with the Gamblers. Big numbers.

The big differnce woyuld be that Kelly and Moon didn't throw like girls. Vince does. Just joking, but it sort of looks likie a girl throwing.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

Regardless of the circumstances and what the Cardinals need to do to get it done, they should be in the Vince Young hunt. Trade picks, players, etc. Vince Young makes so much sense on so many different levels.

He would be an ideal QBOF for this team , and be in an ideal spot behind Warner to learn from him, learn the offense etc.

I said the same thing when Vick came out and everyone laughed, but none of you would turn down the success the Falcons have had since Vick joined the team!

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

The big differnce woyuld be that Kelly and Moon didn't throw like girls. Vince does. Just joking, but it sort of looks likie a girl throwing.

A girl that throws for 3000 + yards, 28 tds, and a 66% completion percentage. I would take that girl!

 

[Denny Green Fan]

Bidwill would never trade up into that third slot. He would not want to package all of the draft picks it would take to get it done. We are not one player away anyway. I am not going to get my hopes up for a quarterback. I will just be setting myself up for disapointment. The good news is a good player will be there at ten.

 

[Redsz]

I think the prospect of possibly drafting Kordell Stewart part II is way too scary to me. If he can be had at a value that's one thing but to go after a "great athlete" whose mechanics are very questionable seems overly risky. A lot of you seem to be real high on Young, but is a project really worth a first round pick?

That's a bit of stretch. Stewart didn't even throw double digit touchdowns in his last year of college football for CU. Young threw 26 this year. I really don't see the comparison at all.

 

[Chopper0080]

I am officially "off" the draft Vince Young bandwagon, not that I was ever on it. At this point way to raw to be taken in the top 15, there is just too much for him to learn to take that risk, especially when we need to win next year.

 

[moklerman]

I really don't see the comparison at all.

Great athlete, questionable passer. Seem's to sum up Young and Kordell both. I can see Young as a prospect but I'm not sold on his numbers. If you just go by the Rose Bowl, I don't remember a pass that was thrown by Young where the receiver didn't have a 10 yard cushion around him.

That's the problem with trying to judge a college qb. So much of their success can be explained away. Playing teams like Louisiana-Lafeyette, Rice, Missouri, Texas Tech, Oklahoma State and Baylor make me think that there really isn't a way to judge Young's potential. He hasn't faced anything resembling an NFL defense and even the ranked team's he faced, likely didn't have the team speed to match up with his running ability. In the NFL though, he's not going to be outrunning defenders in the same way. If that advantage is gone, will his receivers being wandering around the secondary wide open in the NFL?

Hey may be a great NFL qb, but I didn't see a quick release, passing motion or ability to complete tough passes from him in the Rose Bowl so I don't have any reason to think he should be given a huge contract much less trading picks to get him.

Also, you'll have to help me out on his career numbers, but wasn't this some kind of break out year for him? I thought he had quite a bit of trouble his previous year(s)? Past struggles don't indicate anything for sure, but it raises the possibility that this year might have just been a special year for him and won't necessarily happen again.

 

[az jam]

I think that Young can become a very good qb if he goes to the right team. The Titans would be a good match with McNair as his mentor and Chow as the offensive coordinator. Rushing him to start would be a mistake.

 

[gusmahler]

Also, you'll have to help me out on his career numbers, but wasn't this some kind of break out year for him? I thought he had quite a bit of trouble his previous year(s)?

Here are his career stats:
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/stats?playerId=135107

Huge improvement in TD/INT ratio:

Frosh: 6/7
Soph: 11/12
Junior: 26/10

His running totals are about the same for each year.

 

[moklerman]

Here are his career stats:

Thanks for posting those numbers. I didn't try ESPN.com when looking up his stat's. It looks like everything clicked for him this year. The right team and situation is going to be vital to his continued success. Not that he's unique in that way, just not prototypical so you can't just plug him in on any team. It'll be interesting to see how he does.

 

[conraddobler]

First of all his 26 TD's came against the weakest Big 12 field in history.

Yes history.

Nebraska, Oklahoma, KState all usual powers over the last 10 years were duds and no one was good but Texas in the Big Twelve, Colorado was the next best team and they pretty much stunk.

Secondly, his passes are almost always over the middle against teams scared to death of him running.

He does it over and over and over again and he can't do that in the NFL because the DB's and even LB"s close too fast for that crap.

Third, watch him try to throw to the sidelines. try to assemble a tape of that and you'll be working for weeks. That's an absolutely essential throw in the NFL and I don't think with his mechanics he can do it.

 

[moklerman]

Wow, Conrad, very succinct interpretation of Young. I haven't been able to watch him play (other than the Rose Bowl) but the level of competition did seem a little weak when looking at Texas' schedule.

 

[earthsci]

Personally I'm happy that he's in the draft as long as we don't trade up for him. He will be picked before we are on the clock and that will just push talent to us.

 

[Duckjake]

Nebraska, Oklahoma, KState all usual powers over the last 10 years were duds and no one was good but Texas in the Big Twelve, Colorado was the next best team and they pretty much stunk.

Didn't follow the Big XII very closely did you? Texas Tech and Oklahoma were both far superior to Colorado. Nebraska at the end of the season was better than Colorado. The Buffs stunk they just backed into the championship game and Texas showed that Colorado had no business there.

Oklahoma a dud? Oregon probably didn't think so. OU lost to #1 Texas, #11 TCU, #16 UCLA and #20 TTech.

Third, watch him try to throw to the sidelines. try to assemble a tape of that and you'll be working for weeks. That's an absolutely essential throw in the NFL and I don't think with his mechanics he can do it.

Wouldn't take weeks. Just look at the game winning TD pass against Ohio State. 26 yards to the left corner of the endzone.